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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: RootsChat on Monday 07 July 03 09:03 BST (UK)
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Why not contact one of Tipperary's family or historical Society's and find out more about the county.
Tipperary North Family Research Centre
The Gatehouse,
Kickham Street,
Nenagh,
Co. Tipperary
Tel: +353-67-33850
County Tipperary & east County Limerick
Tipperary South,
Brú Ború Heritage Centre
Rock of Cashel,
Co. Tipperary
Tel: +353-62-61122
Tipperary Local Studies is an excellent place to look at old Newspapers such at the Tipperary Star and the Guardian.
(http://www.iol.ie/~tipplibs/bridge.gif)
You may be interested in their link to the Tipperary Historiacal Society.
Webite http://www.iol.ie/~tipplibs/Local.htm#Local Trying to locate new site
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In response to the posting about the Historical Society, can any of their membership help me in tracing members of my wife's family from the County. Her maiden name was Woods, and their branch of the family left Ireland in the 1880s or later, settling around Birkenhead. A common name in the male line was Dennis.
As I have researched other surnames, Woods doesn't appear to crop up so frequently. My wife's father is Dennis Joseph Woods, and his father was also called Dennis and was formerly Fire Chief for Cumbria.
Any help in getting started would be gratefully received.
Best wishes
Hector S. MacDonald
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Hello Hector,
It would appear that the Tipperary Family History Society is not terribly interested in Genealogy. You posted your message in 2004 and it is now almost March 2006. You would think that a County with a Historical Society could do better tham this. Good Morning Tipperary (Reminiscent of Good Morning Vietnam). Is anyone at home?
Denis Woods lived in Tooreen in the Parish of Donohill, Co. Tipperary in 1850-1 when Griffiths Valuation of the County was taking place. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
I took the liberty of substituting the cached version (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wl1GeZWorl4J:www.iol.ie/~tipplibs/Newslttr.htm+Tipperary+Historical+Society+Newsletter&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1)
All the Best, Christopher
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http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/
Hi Hector, ;)
I contacted this website and had a reply within 12 hours.
I dont know much about them but was delighted with their prompt response.Its a free site and easy to use. ::)
All the best with your hunt for the elusive rellies.
Jan
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Jan
I agree, the co.Tipp site you quote is really useful , I've found lots of good stuff on there.
Just wondered, did you contact them with a specific query, and if so, who did you get a reply from/
Many thanks
Mags
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:)Thanks for your interest Mags
I enquired about a place name in Tip and had a reply from Pete Schermerhorn in Berkshire massachusetts.
Excellent!!!
Jan
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Thanks Jan,
Yes, I've had contact with Pete from the beautiful Berkshire hills before ; always nice to get a reply!
Mags
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I asked the Tipperary North FHC If they could help me with any Info re: BDM's for some of My Ancestors!
They replied pretty quickly, with some snippets & a request for £150 (If I wanted them to do a Full Search)! ::) :o
Jan.
I will try the site You posted! (they sound like Nice People!) ;)
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ok i am confused how can i find where ballyquirkeen was in carrick-on-suir, as my elderly father was bought up there, but it is no where to be found on maps, i would like to know where it stood... also he had no contact with his family so i would like to know what happened to the dunnes from ballyquirkeen, my mother used to write to this address, but i cannot find any info about it
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Munchiecarter.
I did a google search for 'ballyquirkeen' & it came up with this:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat2/land/watland2.htm
I don't know if it will be of any help to You, but it may be?
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thankyou i have come accross that before, my family name is dunne, around 19 30's.. but thankyou, it doesnt matter anymore if i cannot find the fact that they lived there, i would just lilke to know where it was situated ..but very grateful
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my maternal family are from Clogheen (Ardfinnan). Names are Maloney, Mason and Maher. my granny was Ellen Maher, born 1869 and my mother was Margaret Maher, born 1904 (died Manchester U.K. 1988). They lived in Councillor Lane (Pound Lane). Any local knowledge would be appreciated. I visited Clogheen last year and found Tipperary terrific!! Cathaldus
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Looks like you are related to my husband, who is grandson of James Joseph Maher, older brother of your Mother Margaret. I have corresponded with Mike who I think must be your brother. I'm assuming he has passed information about James' descendants to you & also those of Thomas, the younger brother. If not please respond & we can pool our information. We are going to Clogheen in October, won't have time for research, but just to have a look round as we haven't been to Ireland before.
Regards
Sue
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Dear Sue,
I've sent an email over to my brother Michael re. your posting. I know there were two elder brothers (James and George) and the two younger ones Christopher and Thomas. Thank you so much for making contact. You will love Clogheen and Tipperary, it's simply like "going home"
Bill (aka Cathaldus)
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Bill and all-
It looks like we have a Maher search going on here. I'm looking to get farther back than Martin Maher, b, bfr. 1816, Thurles, Tipperary, probably Ballycurrane. He married Anne Fogarty.
This is my "wall" and it's 0200 where I am, so....
Thanks.
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Hi :)
Has anyone got any information about the Quirk family of Tipperary. :-\
I have been told that my wife's GGrandfather is a James Quirk
who was born around 1863
and he came from Tipperary
and Married a Margaret Unknown. ???
They had a Daughter Annie,
but we are not sure if Annie was born there or Cardiff.
She married and Alfred Stark from Cardiff.
Any bells ringing???
PeterY
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There is a veritable alphabet soup of organisations and web sites
The "nice people" quoted in this thread are now on the IGP™ County Tipperary Genealogy Project (http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/)
The "people who charge" are Tipperary North Genealogy Centre at Nenagh (http://tipperarynorth.brsgenealogy.com/)
And for South Tipperary the same thing at Bru Bory Cultural Centre (http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/) in Cashel
Both the last two are "part of the Irish Genealogical Online Record Search System (ORS), an all Ireland initiative organised by the Irish Family History Foundation IFHF." I have never really plumbed how they work, but they certainly know how to charge. They are particularly unhelpful unless you hand over large amounts of cash in advance. I went into the Nenagh one and they would not let me look at books on their shelves!
They do have a sort of "lucky dip" online data base that cost 5€ a pop to get specific information. But even with that you have to be careful as their records are not complete and have been transcribed onto cards, rather than allowing you to see the original photo of the parish register (as for example you can do with Scottish records)
The IFHF really should look at ScotlandsPeople to see how records can be presented efficiently and at a reasonable cost.
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"They do have a sort of "lucky dip" online data base that cost 5€ a pop to get specific information"
And a further £150 (or euro equivalent) for a detailed search (Thats what I was Quoted!)
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Yes, in my opinion the costs are a rip off. They do not appear to understand that genealogy is doing extensive "trawling" of records yourself to eliminate and/or confirm where your own ancestors came from.
These days most of us just know that our ancestors came from "Tipperary" or if they are lucky a town like "Thurles" but it could be one of a dozen parishes round there.
You don't get value for money either with your €150. I was emailing someone this week who had a marriage date of 1834 given in their €150 worth, but it did not exist on the Heritage Centre's data base. When confronted the Heritage Centre just said it was a "typo" in the report, without an apology.
Either the churches o the state ought to exanine what these "Heritage Centres" are up too, and do something to substantially improve it!
I would be interested to hear from anyone who had paid €150 and been happy, as well as those who had paid it and been unhappy
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I would be interested to hear from anyone who had paid €150 and been happy
Corisande, I hope You are not Holding Yout Breath waiting to Hear! ::) ;)
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Hi munchiecarter
Re your query I know it was quite some time ago but if you are still out there, I could not find “ballyquirkeen in carrick-on-suir “ I have searched the Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns of Ireland (1861) based on the census for 1851. On page 120 there is a Townland Called BALLYQUIVEEN, in Tipperary N.R., Barony of Upper Ormond, Civil Parish of Ballinaclough, and Poor Law Union of Nenagh.
No of sheet of the Ordnance Survey Maps = 27.
Maybe you were searching in the wrong place.
Julia
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munchiecarter hasn't been on here since 2007 but in case you're still looking for "Ballyquirkeen" check out the following:
Townland: Ballycurkeen
Barony: Iffa & Offa
Civil Parish: Kilmurry
PLU: Carrick on Suir
Dara.
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Has anyone got any information about the Quirk family of Tipperary. :-\
I am also researching QUIRKS from Tipperary. I'm told that my family came from Nenagh and moved to England between 1851 & 1856.
I've looked at Nenagh parish records in Dublin but there are too many gaps in the parish records to be sure I've found the right family. I was surprised how few QUIRKs there were in Nenagh so presume they must have originated from elsewhere.
I visited the Heritage Centre at Nenagh but the genealogist wasn't there. Perhaps I could afford 150 euro if it coninues to fall against the £.
I agree that that their 5 euro search is a bit of a lucky dip.
Not sure what else to do. It is very frustrating. :- :(
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To get an idea of the spread of any name put it into Griffiths
Quirk comes up with about 1000 in Ireland and 5% of them are in North Tipperary.
Of those in N Tipp about a quarter are in parish of Dorrah, and a quarter in parish Killoscully
What "moved from Nenagh" often means with migrants is that they lived around there and it is easier to tell people in England "Nenagh" than "Ballywhatnotwhatnot"
Unless you have definite information, all you will get is sort of generalised rubbish that I am spouting here. And you can hoover that you yourself from Griffiths, Tithe Applotments and digging around on parish registers yourself on those parishes that do have the name you are looking for.
So get yourself a list of likely parishes from those sources about, and look up the records yourself (if available, they are on fiche in NLI). In my opinion it is daft to rely on those cards that the IFHF centres produce.
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Thanks for your thoughts. :D
I doubt that I shall get the oppotunity to go to Ireland again - shame as it was beautiful.
I was surprised how busy the parish was. It took me ages to seach through what I did. Are the records available at LDS history centres or have the IFHF got the monopoly?
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You can get them though LDS centres but would have to order them. From memory one of the LDS centres in London has a complete set that you can look at without ordering.
I realised I had not put the link on to search Griffiths
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
And try this for Tithe records (they have not been published as a set yet)
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/
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Thank you, I will explore what the History Centres have to offer.
Should I worry about whether they were QUIRK or QUIRKE?
My family weren't very consistent about when they were born which doesn't help, varying as much as 5 years between census :-\
They didn't make it easy for us.
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Should I worry about whether they were QUIRK or QUIRKE
In short there is no difference, the same priest could write ir both ways on a random basis. You will need to search both.
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Here's a handy link for checking frequency and distribution of Surnames based on Griffiths. Try both Quirk and Quirke. Very definitely a Co. Tipperary name.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/
Dara.
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It gives me hope that my gradfather was correct in saying they came from Nenagh.
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munchiecarter Ballycurkeen is opposite the Merc Sharpe & Dohme plant on the Carrick-on-Suir to Kilsheelan road. My old friend Removed lives there. The man who famously sued MSD and won. It was formerly owned by his ancestor John O'Mahoney the famous Fenian leader. see https://leoniefennell.wordpress.com/page/35 (https://leoniefennell.wordpress.com/page/35)
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corisande There are Quirke families in both Clonmel and Carrick-on-Suir. Check out M.J.O'Neill Quirke Solicitors Carrick-on-Suir http://www.goldenpages.ie/quirk-mj-o-n-co-carrick-on-suir/1 (http://www.goldenpages.ie/quirk-mj-o-n-co-carrick-on-suir/1) and PF Quirke Estate Agents Clonmel http://www.pfq.ie (http://www.pfq.ie)
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Hi HIBERNIAN04
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
You have resurrected an old topic, munchiecarter hasn't been online here since 2007.
We also have a 'no living people' policy here so the name you posted has been removed.
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Dawn