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My great grandfather Bernard Darragh, was born in 1860 in the township Gloonan city Ahoghill. His parents were Bernard Darragh and Mary Hutton. They were farmhands and are registered as such. The family left the farm in 1861 or 62. This is after the Ahoghill revival.
1. Where did they go?
2. Was this a result of the Ahoghill revival?
My great grandfather moved to Scotland in??? and lived and died in Glasgow. I have written and documented his life story in Glasgow, but I can't find any family history further back than his birth in 1860.
If any one can help me to get further back, this would be very much appreciated.
I am willing to share all my findings and documents with any Darragh that might be related.
Any help is very welcome.
Michael Kreijns
The Netherlands
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Religion?
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Looking at Griffith's Valuation, a Bernard seems to have still been in the townland in 1862. Then, in the Valuation Revision books, a Bernard Darragh's house seemed to change to a new occupier in 1867.
What information do you have that leads you to believe the family left the townland in 1862? Which Scottish census does Bernard junior first appear in?
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A 79yr old Bernard Darragh of Gloonan, died there on 15th January 1893. A daughter, Agnes, was the informant..
An 80yr old Mary Darragh, widow, died at Gloonan on 20th February 1900. Her death was also registered by a daughter, Agnes.
Potential for Agnes, albeit would need further research:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ahoghill/Ahoghill_Village/924282/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ahoghill/Ahoghill_Town/115504/
Based on the niece noted in 1911, a Matilda Darragh, daughter of a Bernard Darragh, married a James Haughian (?sp) in the Roman Catholic chapel at Ahoghill, on 9th July 1875. An Agnes Darragh was one of the witnesses.
A Matilda, daughter of a Bernd Darragh and a Mary, was baptised in Ahoghill in 1856.
An Agnes, daughter of a Berd Darragh and Mary Hatton, was baptised in Ahoghill in 1844.
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There is an 1860 baptism in Ahoghill for a Bernard Darragh, albeit with parents noted as Henry (clearly written as such) and Mary. I wonder if 'Henry' was possibly mis-heard from, 'Bernie'.
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Ahh they were RC!
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Ahoghill+%28Diocese+of+Down+and+Connor%29
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Thank you all for responding as quick as you did. I didn't expect this.
To answer all the questions in chronologic order:
1. They were Roman Catholic
2. In the book with I found on Internet 1864-1879, Bernard leaves the farm an James Delofs takes it over. In the first pages I found a note out of which I understood that Bernard left in 1862.
3. Bernard Darragh changed his name in Darroch to sound more Scottish. The first Census entry 1s in 1891. He lived Govan Glasgow, 307 Caledonia Road with his wife Catherine Conor, their daughter Ellen who was 3 and my grandfather Henry James who was born in 1890.
I was happy to learn about Agnes, who is named on the death certificates of Bernard Sr and Mary. I wil research this further.
I will use the links who were sent to me.
Is there anyone out there who can inform me about the implications "the Ahoghill Revival" had on the Ahoghill community?
If there is any information on Bernard Darragh Senior and his wife Mary Hutton (Hatton), I am very interested, as I only could find that they were the parents of Bernard Darragh Jr.
Thank you all for helping me
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I'v sent a message to another rootschat member, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10345 , directing them to this thread. They have Darragh - Portglenone. Given proximity of Ahoghill to Portglenone, I've asked if in their own research around the area, they might have come across anything on your Darraghs.
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Thank you Scotmum for alerting me about this Darragh thread.
I have previously saved a note about the 1844 marriage if Bernard Darragh & Mary Hutton (Hatton) at Ahoghill but have not been able to find a connection to my Darragh ancestor. It is possible that there may be a family link but I have yet to find sufficient evidence to prove this. My Jane Darragh was living in Casheltown townland at the time of her 1879 marriage in Ahoghill but the priest did not record her father’s name and it appears the registrar did not receive any information either as there is no marriage certificate. Griffiths valuation shows a Henry, Roderick and James in Casheltown and 1901 census also has a Bernard Darragh and Catherine (Watson) who were married in Ahoghill in 1833.
MKREIJNS - I will alert another contact to your query as they are also researching Darraghs in the Ahoghill area in this period.
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Thank you for your prompt reply and information. Very kind of you to forward my query to another Darragh researcher!
Michael Kreijns
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My great grandfather Bernard Darragh, was born in 1860 in the township Gloonan city Ahoghill.
Gloonan is a townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill- see here for map:
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/gloonan/
In the book with I found on Internet 1864-1879, Bernard leaves the farm an James Delofs takes it over. In the first pages I found a note out of which I understood that Bernard left in 1862.
This is the Valuation Revision Book- the one for Gloonan you mention covers 1865-1879:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books
In 1867 the tenant Bernard Darragh (6Bb- house only) was changed to James Delap.
The printed version of Griffith's Valuation (1862) shows Bernard Darragh listed in Gloonan. He occupied a house but there is no land or farm mentioned.
Much is online about the 1859 Revival and Catholics, position of the Catholic church, etc. Google finds such information easily. Here's one example:
http://www.pentecostalpioneers.org/1859UlsterRevival.html
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Thank you aghadowey for the information you sent me. Very interesting books.
The Great Ahoghill Revival must have had its effect on the social structure of the town. With neighbours even falling out on religious disagreements.
I am very interested in these effects on the dailylife in Ahoghill and its townlands.
Any book or phd-study on Ahoghill known?
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Michael,
As you may have gathered from aghadowey's reply, we don't have "townships" in Ireland, and Ahoghill is certainly no city! As well as being a rather small parish [gemeente?] it's a village about 6 km west of Ballymena; the townland of Gloonan extends from the centre of the village about 2 km to the south-east.
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Thank you wee Hugh for your reaction. It is good to learn that there are people out there that speak Dutch. Indeed Gemeente is the right word.
So I take it that a Townland Gloonan is a small part of the village Ahoghill.
All townlands together form the parish of Ahoghill. Is this correct?
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To give a better understanding of land division/terminology in Ireland:
http://www.placenamesni.org/landunits.php
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To answer your PM (Personal Message) so that everyone helping knows what is found-
The Bernard Darragh who died in 1893 (a good candidate for the father of Bernard born 1860) is a labourer-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06013/4711515.pdf
There's no way to tell occupations for tenants in houses from Griffith's or later valuations so anything possible- farm labourer, etc.
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Unbelieveable how fast you all respond. I hope I do not offend anybody by stating that you seem to react faster than God can read. Thank you!
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To give a better understanding of land division/terminology in Ireland:
http://www.placenamesni.org/landunits.php
I think this site explains a bit better.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html
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Nee, ik kan geen nederlands!
From this web site
www.thecore.com/seanruad/
I see that Ahoghill is not such a small parish, after all: it contains lots of townlands.
Unfortunately there are no maps on that web site.
I was going to scan part of the Ordnance Survey map, but someone is sure to complain that I'm infringing copyright.
Anyway, an acre is about 4000 m² (0.4 ha): I assume statute acres are meant (Irish plantation acres were larger).
The townland of Gloonan includes part of the village of Ahoghill, but most of it is farm land, probably with a few scattered houses.
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This site will show maps of townlands and parishes. For example, here's Ahoghill Parish-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/ahoghill/
You can also see the townlands (23 in this case) in the parish, etc.
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Hello,
I live in Quebec City in Canada.
I found this grave in Notre-Dame-de-la-Visitation Cimetary in the former city of Sainte-Foy (also spelled Ste-Foy in French). It is now a part of Quebec City.
Hope it can help!
Marie
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Thank you Marienrose,
To my knowledge at this moment, this Bernard is not a member of the family Darragh I am researching. Bernard Sr died in Ahoghill 1893, Bernard Jr went to Scotland and died in 1926 in Glasgow.
But I might find another lead an can place this Bernard in the family tree at some time. I will keep you posted.