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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Mart 'n' Al on Sunday 26 August 18 18:36 BST (UK)
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I tried this new FS feature.
https://www.familysearch.org/discovery/compare
It compares two photos to assess family likenesses. I tried two pictures of myself, from age 18 and age 58. The software said there was a 38% match. Visual inspection would see a ready likeness. Compare my profile picture with this one. Comments welcome, don't spare my blushes.
I use Picasa for sorting and managing my photos and it is excellent at grouping photos by person, even if some photos have caps or sunglasses. I think FS needs to improve before this catches on.
Martin
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Martin, having to scroll up & down i.e. difficult to compare as you can't see both pics at the same time.
Annie
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Modified. I didn't realise I had scanned at such high res. 40 years have been kind to me...
Martin
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What's the 'new feature' supposed to be good for? After reading your post, I went off to try it out for myself, cautiously uploaded a photo of someone and it said I didn't have any photos attached to my tree to compare it to. Well, of course I don't; I don't have a tree online at FamilySearch.
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40 years have been kind to me...
That's better!
I don't think you've changed much from a handsome young lad, only your hairline & a chin of a difference :D ;D
Annie
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Could have doubled up as a Tom Selleck lookey likey?
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No one looked good in the 70s Martin. ;)
Only joking - you were a nice looking young man (and many men improve with age I think) - Looking at both photos it is evident that you were that young man.
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Erato, you should upload at least two photos.
Martin
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I've tried it out and you don't have to have a tree on the site, but you do have to have registered. I found that if I compare a photo of me when young, then I get 45-50% matches with my parents at a young age, but if I compare photos of me when young with older versions of my parents the match rate goes down. Interestingly, my younger brother and I were 72% alike, not surprising really. My daughter was 50% but my sons only around mid 30% - I guess that means they are more like their dad than me. (They've all got the same father).
What it did do was show me that I am more than 30% similar to the man I think is my g.grandfather whose origins I cannot find, but in general I am more like my mother's relations/ancestors than my dad's.
Like Martin, I found the older I got, the less I looked like my young self.
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I specifically ask people not to 'tag' me in any picture they upload to social media & am a bit paranoid about facial recognition software in general. Familysearch I am sure would not be storing the images for future use - would they? But they have one's registration details. If I wanted to compare ancestors with my own picture I would prefer to do it on an independent platform confined to my own computer.
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I specifically ask people not to 'tag' me in any picture they upload to social media & am a bit paranoid about facial recognition software in general. Familysearch I am sure would not be storing the images for future use - would they? But they have one's registration details. If I wanted to compare ancestors with my own picture I would prefer to do it on an independent platform confined to my own computer.
I am pleased I am no the only one who is more than suspicious of them....... collecting data is their game and their largest money maker and photos along with details of who they are, means more products to sell
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Not in reply to any specific comment, but I worked in the CCTV industry for several years, and people have more to worry about from a nosy neighbour with a 60x zoom, 4x digital camera available for under £200.
Secondly, earlier in this thread I mentioned Picasa, now no longer supported by Google. It is so good that it will even try and assess and sort pictures on posters in the background, and even faces of statues.
Martin
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What's the 'new feature' supposed to be good for?
Good for a giggle, perhaps. :P
Erato - I haven't tried a comparison using software, but I visually compared your profile pic to one of my mum aged 18-20 There is a strong resemblance. Hmmm - was my mum really an only child?
(Mum was born in 1932 and is still living, so I can't post her pic without her permission).
Philip
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I just got a 17% match with an album sleeve picture of Buddy Holly, and it wasn't the one where he doesn't wear specs.
I tried a horned sheep we saw last week, and it just said, "Something happened. Try another picture."
Martin
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I just got a 17% match with an album sleeve picture of Buddy Holly.
You think you look like Buddy Holly? That'll be the day!
(OK, I know it's groan-worthy, but someone had to say it!)
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Philip, two crackers in a row in 20 minutes there! You are on a roll.
Martin
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Great we can have a laugh with no intention of putting anyone down.
Can anyone tell me if we upload photos for comparison (for our own curiosity) just for that moment, are able to be deleted i.e. not available to all & sundry after that initial comparison process?
If so, can someone please guide me with the process (layman's terms) ;D ?
Annie
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I just got a 17% match with an album sleeve picture of Buddy Holly.
You think you look like Buddy Holly? That'll be the day!
I was told a few times (when I was younger), I looked like Kylie Minogue!!! & my instant reply was "I should be so lucky"!!!...one of her hits ;D
I was also told when I was a teenager, I looked like Farah Fawcett but it was my hairstyle (in my own opinion), 1970s?
However, it would be interesting (to me) to compare both of them to see if there was any likeness as it may tell me if I did look anything like either (through those comments) ???
Personally, I never seen any likeness to either but didn't mind the compliments :P ;D
Annie
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This reminds me of some app my daughter was using on her phone the other day. A picture of our puppy was identified as "cattle". ::)
Annie, I think many people don't look past the hair - which may be why people have compared you to those two 'stars'. :)
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This reminds me of some app my daughter was using on her phone the other day. A picture of our puppy was identified as "cattle". ::)
I think a 'Scot' would know the difference :D
Annie, I think many people don't look past the hair - which may be why people have compared you to those two 'stars'. :)
I haven't fallen out with anyone for a long while but may be due to now ??? :P ;D
Seriously, it's comical & yes I actually agree, the hairstyles were probably the focus of those charming chaps, a 'Major' thing where Farah was concerned :D
Annie
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Rosinish, after the comparison it asks if you want to keep the photographs on the site. Unless one is really paranoid I think it is safe to assume that they are not kept. You could always experiment by uploading pictures that aren't of you or your family.
Martin
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I just tried with a single photo of my husband when he was about 10, his mother (then in her mid forties) and his maternal grandparents (then in their early seventies). It was a scan of a postcard sized black and white photo taken in about 1960 of the four of them standing in a line at the seaside. It was not a profession photo, but taken by my OH's father with a Box Brownie, so not of best quality and clarity. As it was full length photo, the faces were very small
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The software first managed to pick out the four faces from the composite photo, my OH had a 61% match to his mother (he seemed to look more like his mother when younger, but getting more like his father now) and a 36% match to both his grandparents. I'm surprised there was no difference there, I thought he looked a bit more like his grandfather than grandmother.
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Just tried another photo of grandma, probably a year or so earlier in the summer so granny isn't wearing a hat. Again OH has a 36% match to grandma. The other person in the picture is his aunt (his mother's older sister). He has a 50% match to her.
Could waste all day on this!
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Just compared OH's mother to her sister and her mother. She has 95% match with her sister - they did look very much alike - 69% match with her mother and 59% match with her father.
That's another 8 minutes I won't get back!
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Just compared m-i-l at mid forties to a picture of her in early twenties. It was a picture taken of and her work colleagues - she was the only female (office clerk) the others were mill workers, foreman, manager and owner. She had an 82% match to her younger self, and 10 - 14 % match to most of the others in the picture who would not be related, but she did have a 33% match to one of the young men, who is also likely to be unrelated. But it was a was a small place in Suffolk, so she might have been working at the same place as a distant cousin and not known it.
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This reminds me of some app my daughter was using on her phone the other day. A picture of our puppy was identified as "cattle". ::)
I think a 'Scot' would know the difference :D
Annie, I think many people don't look past the hair - which may be why people have compared you to those two 'stars'. :)
I haven't fallen out with anyone for a long while but may be due to now ??? :P ;D
Seriously, it's comical & yes I actually agree, the hairstyles were probably the focus of those charming chaps, a 'Major' thing where Farah was concerned :D
Annie
Ha ha Annie. That puppy is a Scottish breed too, so I'm sure you are right!
I was also considering people who say that my daughter looks like my sister. They have no facial similarities at all, but they do both have the blonde hair. ;) ;D No offence intended ... :D ;D
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Me aged 23 has a 63% match with my brother aged 4, but only a 43% match to my brother aged 9, but the latter isn't a very clear picture of him. I only have a 94% match to a picture of myself taken a few minutes after the first, but in one I was looking down rather than straight at the camera
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I tried a horned sheep we saw last week, and it just said, "Something happened. Try another picture."
Martin
You'll need to try 2 related sheep and see what it says then. Sheep can recognise pictures of faces of their friends, relatives and shepherds. They can also learn to recognise pictures of other humans. I expect this FS programme has been devised and is operated by some clever sheep. :)
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I wrote to Familysearch to ask how to remove images loaded to Compare-a-Face, I could only see how to remove my own image. They responded with instructions but also stated
When you upload a selfie or image to the Compare-a-Face experience, the image is saved just for the comparison so that you can view again later. No one else will be able to view the images you upload or the comparisons. The photos are not saved as a memory and will not appear in your gallery. You can delete the selfie and comparison at any time.
So it would seem there is no need to worry.
If you've got images you want to delete the instructions are:
Go to familysearch.org/discovery/compare.
Click the image that you want to delete.
Click Delete This Photo.
Click Delete permanently.
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Been doing a bit more experimenting - but I won't bore you all with all my results!
But does anyone know if there's any percentage ranges you should expect for a parent, sibling, cousin etc, like there is for DNA matches?
I have two pictures taken at different times of the son of my second cousin and his wife. I have 24% and 27% matches to his two pictures and 0% and 10% matches to his wife's pictures to whom I am not related. In both picture my relative has a beard and in one he's wearing sunglasses.
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I don't think there's a % range given on Familysearch, but I would expect a closer match with my parents and children than grandchildren, for instance, but it hasn't worked out like that, I have a 72% match with my brother a 65% match with my maternal gran, but only a 37% match with my mother ::) I think it depends partly on the ages of the subjects you are trying to match. I even had a 10% match with my husband and I'm certain there is no DNA match there at all.
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I got a 79% match with a photo of my father from when he was about my age. No surprise as my likeness to him has been remarked upon for my entire life.
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I have a 72% match with my brother a 65% match with my maternal gran, but only a 37% match with my mother
Your mother possibly looked more like her own father rather than your g/mother?
I was at school with twins who looked nothing like each other in any way/shape/form!
One was short/blonde/fair complexion, other was tall/dark/freckle faced & to this day they look nothing like each other i.e. I assume they looked like either parent, one the father, other the mother?
Annie
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Family Search now has an intriguing programme to compare resemblances between photographs. I'm not very sure how much the results can be depended upon or what the degrees of resemblance mean. Apprently the programme cannot prove or disprove a relationship, and I wonder if it is more than amusement. Has anybody any comments.
Don
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Your mother possibly looked more like her own father rather than your g/mother?
He died when she was 12, and I only have one photo of him when he was aged about 40 - he looks much older though compared with today's 40 year olds - and of course I never knew him.
I think I look more like my dad and his sisters than my mum's side of the family, although I can see similarities with some of my mum's ancestors.
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Yes, here :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799272.0;topicseen
Topics merged
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Gave this a go, it was okay but I wanted to get rid of the first photo I uploaded, I couldn't see a way at first but when I closed the site than went back into it I clicked on the photo it though was me and the option to delete it came up.
The others were already gone as I had click no earlier.
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I was also told when I was a teenager, I looked like Farah Fawcett but it was my hairstyle (in my own opinion), 1970s?
You reminded me of an incident when I was a young teenager. We were invited to the birthday party of a friend of my mother's and I was hanging around when a younger boy approached me and said, slightly obnoxiously, "Excuse me, are you Zoe from Eastenders?" I snapped "Do I LOOK like Zoe from Eastenders?" He shrugged and said "No, but your hair does". ::)
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I hope nobody will mind if I breathe some new life into this thread after all this time.
I wonder whether anyone else has been experimenting with the Compare-a-Face service (possibly an upgrade from its status in 2018 when the last post on this thread was made) and what sort of percentage matches you are finding for self, parent-child, grandparent-child and sibling relationships.
My experiments so far seem to show that it can usually match a picture of the same person with 90-100%, perhaps a little less if one of the photos is fuzzy or the face is very small.
Parent-child seems to be in the 60s and 70s and grandparent-child can be somewhere between 30s and 60s, quite variable.
I've also seen that it can sometimes find matches of around 30 or 40-odd between people who are unrelated, as far as I'm aware.
One of the main reasons I'm interested in this is that some months back, I bought a photo from eBay that was taken by a photographer who lived a few doors away from my great-great-grandfather Edward Yardley's home. I was struck by the resemblance between the young man and my grandfather, (also Edward) but I wondered whether it was wishful thinking - I don't have a photo of Edward Sr, who died aged only 31.
I ran the unknown photo through the Compare-a-Face service and found similarities of 67% and 75% similarity to a photo of my great-grandfather William, Edward Sr's son.
I'm wondering now how likely it may be that these similarities may have been thrown up by chance, and how much (if anything!), I can read into this.
(The attached photos show the unknown photo on the left.)
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I had JUST posted with two of my family photos here, asking RootsChatters if they resemble each other! I tried doing it at Family Search. Before I mastered the art of pulling out the correct individual from a group photo, it compared the young man to the Husband of the woman I wanted to have it compared to! FS said 34% resemblance to the woman who might possibly be his mother. Which is nice….except FS found a 38% resemblance to the man who is not related to the young man at all. This experience has shaken my faith in Family Search photo comparison software, if I had any faith to begin with…. ;D
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Oh dear... but I think the FamilySearch comparison must, because of its nature, rely on aspects of resemblance that can be reduced to mathematics - ratios of distances between facial features, or perhaps equivalent things that can be drawn out of the data using AI. It can't really capture the less concrete aspects of resemblance - mannerisms, for example, and even things like eye/hair colour since most of the photos it's working with are black and white. So perhaps the resemblances that a human observer might pick up on and the ones that the algorithm picks up on are quite different from one another.
I've also come across resemblances in the 30% and 40% range between people who are, as far as I'm aware, unrelated, as well as between people who have a grandparent/grandchild relationship. I suppose a lot does depend on which features you inherit from which ancestors too.