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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gaye Colquhoun on Sunday 26 August 18 13:00 BST (UK)
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I am interested in contacting descendants of Ada Rosina Colquhoun nee Bishop. My grandfather Joseph Colquhoun born in Belfast between 1875-1878. Was married to Ada Rosina Bishop 7th June 1900. His parents are listed as Andrew Colquhoun and Annie Colquhoun nee Smith. His second marriage was to Ada Bowyer in 1921. His second marriage certificate states he was born in Dublin. He was never divorced. His death cerificate shows he was born in Dublin and died at age 89 in 1963. We doubt he was born in Dublin as he enlisted in WW1 as a Protestant Soldier. His ashes are buried in the Protestant returned soldiers section of Waikamete cemetery so it's unlikely that he was a Catholic from Dublin. I have also been told he was born in Dumbarton, County Luss Scotland. My father and uncle were adamant he was Scottish and my brother remembers him having a Scottish accent. I am wondering if there were 2 Joseph Colquhouns in Auckland at that time and seeek clarity on this matter. Both his marriage certificates and death certificate show different ages and places of birth. It is believed that he may have arrived in New Zealand with his parents as my father spoke of Aunts and Uncles living in Auckland when he was growing up and I have made contact with one of their offspring. I also remember visiting 2 of his cousins who lived in Selwyn Street Onehunga - Betty Lewis (nee Colhoun) and Ina Collins (nee Colhoun) whose mother's name was Jess. They changed the spelling of their name to Colhoun. Ada Rosina Colquhoun was buried in Mangere Lawn Cemetery in 1964. Joseph and Ada had 5 children. Leonard Robert Colhoun born 1900, Reginald Percy born 1902, John Colhoun born 1903, Myrtle Ivy Colhoun born 1904 and Ethel Gladys born 1907. Their last known address was Emma St, Mt Eden in 1916.
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Duplicate topic here with some replies-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799237
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These are the two marriages?. You are descended from the second marriage, and, in researching the origins of Joseph COLQUHOUN you are wanting to contact descendants of Ada Rosina BISHOP - the children you have named?
BDM NZ marriage
1900/2595 BISHOP Ada Rosina m. COLHOUN Joseph
1921/3609 BOWYER Adalaide Leslie m. COLQUHOUN Joseph
BDM NZ birth
1900 /16139 COLHOUN Leonard Robert parents Ada Rose / Joseph
1902 /5244 COLHOUN Reginald Percy parents Ada Rose / Joseph
1903 /1638 COLHOUN John parents Ada Rose / Joseph
1904 /4632 COLHOUN Myrtle Ivy parents Ada Rose / Joseph
1907 /1631 COLHOUN Ethel Gladys parents Ada Rose / Joseph
1909 /23755 COLQUHOUN Hazel Adelaide parents Ada Rosina /Joseph
1914 /29424 COLQUHOUN Nellie Rose parents Ada Rose / NR
1916 /5658 COLQUHOUN Daniel John parents Ada Rose / NR
WW1 record #15340 on several occasions records his birth date 13 Jun 1872 and 13 June 1873.
Birth place ( to me this looks like Bally O) Co. Donegal. Mother and father born Co. Donegal
Born 13 June 1872 / 3 Co. Donegal.
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I am interested in contacting descendants of ...
Hello Gaye
A point to bear in mind, is that Rootschat is for tracing dead ancestors for family history.
Rootschat does not trace and name individuals still living.
Mark
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Use BDM NZ online to find four births to BOWYER Adelaide 1913 - 1916.
In researching the origins of Joseph COLQUHOUN I think the details on the WW1 file will advise you better than will anything that family descendants might know.
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In researching the origins of Joseph COLQUHOUN I think the details on the WW1 file will advise you better than will anything that family descendants might know.
The problem being no likely birth for Joseph can yet be found in County Donegal, Dublin, in Belfast or anywhere in Ireland.
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"...Both his marriage certificates and death certificate show different ages and places of birth"
Two marriage certificates, one death certificate. We need to know what is on these documents. Do not identify people who might still be alive. What do you see for parents names, birthplace etc.
This arrival in New Zealand
Auckland Star 3 Sep 1879 p2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18790909.2.10?
....COLQUHOUN family......
Online tree for Rosina Harvey COLQUHOUN m. Fred PORTER in NZ has this family in Ireland, including Ballybo, Donegal.
WW1 enlistment file ....I am seeing C of E for religion at images 9, 15, 26 and 27.
At image 25....name........ R Joseph COLQUHOUN..........
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Andrew Colhoun, son of Andrew, m.1852 Nancy Smith, daughter of Robert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXP-428
Thomas Colhoun (1864) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRQG-LP8
daughter (1866) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHR-972
son (1868) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYT-VWY
Catherine Colhoun (1871) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRW4-F31
Rosena Hervey Colhoun (1873) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5NM-WGQ
Mary Colhoun (1874) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR46-KFP
son (1875) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBJ-5JL
Likely other children born 1852-1863
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Rosena Hervey Colhoun born 1873 Carrickballydooey- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03197/2172376.pdf)
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/raphoe-north/raymoghy/kincraigy/carrickballydooey/
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One to keep in mind- Maria Louisa Colhoun, Ballydo, daughter of Andrew, married 1879 George Taylor.- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11056/8044805.pdf)
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Hi
You say"His ashes are buried in the Protestant returned soldiers section of Waikamete cemetery"
His body was interred at Waikumete
Burial record for Joseph Colquhoun
Date of birth Unknown
Occupation Retired
Date of death 28 July 1963
Age at death 89 years
Gender Male
Region West
Cemetery name Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location Waikumete Cemetery, Service Persons Area L, Row 3, Plot 30
Remains type Body
Date of burial 30 July 1963
The returned soldiers areas at Waikumete are not religiously arranged so not a Protestant or Catholic area,
Cheers Janette
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Image 4 of his WW1 file names 5 children
Leonard Robert 7/9/1900
Reginald Percy 28/2/1902
Ivy 14/7/1904
Gladys 15/12/1907
Hazel 16/7/1909
He was married to Ada Rosina Bishop in 7/1899
Image 7 his attestation states he was born in what looks like Bally-o Co Donegal,Ireland
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE15449488
Edited
Image 25 is the original attestation and states born Co Donegal as were both parents
Cheers Janette
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Image 15
The notification of death was filed by a daughter
Mrs O W A Olsen
It states he was born 13/6/1872 in Ireland and he was C of E
Cheers Janette
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Divorce file [Ada Rosina & Joseph Colhoun]:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=6696267
Decree nisi:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19320520.2.151?end_date=31-12-1932&phrase=2&query=joseph+colhoun&start_date=01-01-1932
Minniehaha.
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With this topic consisting of two separate threads, making it difficult to keep track of, I hope the following has not already been provided........
Death details of second wife?
1950/22899 Colquhoun Adelaide Leslie 58Y
Burial record for Adelaide Leslie Colquhoun
Date of birth
Unknown
Date of death
7 June 1950
Age at death
58 years
Gender
Female
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
9 June 1950
Funeral director
Tilton Opie And Pattinson Limited
Probate:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=9361213
Added: A family tree, with photograph.....
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bowyer-252
Minniehaha.
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Lots more posted on other thread but very confusing to have 2 different ones :-\
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Lots more posted on other thread but very confusing to have 2 different ones :-\
Can they be merged onto the NZ board?
Cheers Janette
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Can they be merged onto the NZ board?
Cheers Janette
Not sure because half of the research is in Ireland (Donegal) so the original thread should have been on Donegal board.
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* 1862 - 1934 Maria Louisa 'Mollie' Colquhoun
- Married Timothy Manners (1857-1930) in 1883 & had 11 children
Wonder if the 1883 marriage was her first as I posted link for a Maria L. Colhoun married 1879 in Donegal, Ireland to George Taylor (her father Andrew)?
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There is also this COMPLETED topic [but still active] ..........
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=569823.msg6566103;boardseen#new
Minniehaha.
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1904/4632 Colhoun Myrtle Ivy Ada Rosina Joseph
1929/6174 Myrtle Iris* Colquhoun Herbert Godfrey Harpour
1979/44894 Harpour Myrtle Ivy 14 July 1904
*Should be Ivy?
Headstone:
https://billiongraves.com/grave/MYRTLE-IVY-HARPOUR/7719943
Probate for Herbert Godfrey HARPOUR:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=575790
Minniehaha.
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Burial record for Leonard Robert Colquhoun
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Cleaner
Date of death
12 July 1972
Age at death
71 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
14 July 1972
Funeral director
Battersby Funeral Services Ltd
Added:
1933/1919 Edna Maud Jarvis Leonard Robert Colquhoun
2001/7097 Colquhoun Edna Maude 14 December 1907
Minniehaha.
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As this is a bit hard to follow due to 2 threads going at once,maybe Gaye could come back and tell us what else she is looking for as I notice she hasn't given much feedback on either thread.
Cheers Janette
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As this is a bit hard to follow due to 2 threads going at once,maybe Gaye could come back and tell us what else she is looking for as I notice she hasn't given much feedback on either thread.
Cheers Janette
Yes please, that would be appreciated......... ;)
Minniehaha.
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Marriage:
1926/1401 Phyllis Isobell Williams Reginald Percy Colquhoun
Deaths:
1985/51394 Colquhoun Reginald Percy 1 March 1902
1966/41294 Colquhoun Phyllis Isobel 62Y
Burial record for Phyllis Isobel Colquhoun
Date of birth
Unknown
Date of death
21 December 1966
Age at death
62 years
Gender
Female
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Eucalyptus Glade, Row Sc - Ash, Plot 0
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
23 December 1966
Date of burial
21 December 1966
Funeral director
Tilton Opie And Pattinson Limited
Minniehaha.
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Hi,
"As this is a bit hard to follow due to 2 threads going at once,maybe Gaye could come back and tell us what else she is looking for as I notice she hasn't given much feedback on either thread."
Then why not stop posting until we get a definitive reply?
A moderator could lock both threads until that happens . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . .
Moderator's edit: comment removed. Not in the spirit of RootsChat.
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"Then why not stop posting until we get a definitive reply?
A moderator could lock both threads until that happens . . . . .. . . . . .. . . . . ."
If they get locked no one can post to give a definitive reply ,it might be better to merge them
Cheers Janette
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Hi janette,
I don't take decisions for Moderators, I can make suggestions.
Lock one or two, merge two into existing one, merge two into new one..
What's your suggestion?
R
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Hi janette,
I don't take decisions for Moderators, I can make suggestions.
Lock one, merge two into existing one, merge two into new one..
What's your suggestion?
R
I have PM'ed the NZ Moderator asking for his help to sort it out,
Cheers Janette
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Jannette
I already had.
After all, it was your original suggestion ?????
RegardsRay
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I'm so grateful for all the work you've all done and everything you've come up with. My cousin Greg (son of James Lawerence) and I want to trace any living cousins we may have) so names of the grandchildren of Joseph, Alice Choat and Ada Rosina would be appreciated. And also names of Joseph's brothers and sisters descendants, we remember socialising with them as kids but have lost touch over the years.
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the PM. I’ll look into the issue once I finish work and can use a PC.
Regards,
Spades
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Thanks Spades
Cheers Janette
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I have reviewed the two topics, this one and a second on the Beginners Board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799237.18
Both active topics now run to four pages. Merging them will, as Aghadowey rightly pointed out, result in chaos, which isn't fair to the original poster or to researchers trying to follow the research story.
The best solution seems to be that responders post only to this topic, while the other topic ends with an explanation and re-direction.
Locking the other topic will be be redundant.
I will approach the OP for permission.
Spades
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The life, wives and times of Joseph Colquhoun (http://www.familytreecircles.com/charles-alfred-dixon-otahuhu-69118.html)
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This is the journal from the other thread - I did not know there were 2 threads going ;)
It is the family of JOSEPH COLQUHOUN, his parents, siblings and his wives and how they all intertwine with the other people Gaye was looking for, Charles Alfred Dixon who fathered 5 children with her grandmother Adelaide Leslie Bowyer while he was fathering 9 children with his wife Alice Beatrice Choat and after the death of Charles Dixon, her grandmother Adelaide married Joseph Colquhoun, as his 2nd wife, before Joseph had divorced his 1st wife Ada Rosina Bishop
enjoy Charles Dixon + Alice Choat + Adelaide Bowyer + Joseph Colquhoun + Ada Bishop (http://www.familytreecircles.com/charles-alfred-dixon-otahuhu-69118.html)
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So here's a new very confusing twist in the Colquhoun saga....My brother has contacted the record keeper at Rhossdhu in Dumbarton, Luss, Scotland who has confirmed that a Joseph Colquhoun was born 10 June 1873, and has verbally confirmed that he (the record keeper) has records that connects this Joseph COlquhoun with Adalaide Bowyer and also Ida Bowyer and Donald Colquhoun. We have know email or paper copy of this. I'm very confused, how can the be 2 people, from 2 different countries both be married to my Grandmother? How can we verify which one is actually our Grandfather?
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My grandfather Joseph Colquhoun born in Belfast between 1875-1878. Was married to Ada Rosina Bishop 7th June 1900. His parents are listed as Andrew Colquhoun and Annie Colquhoun nee Smith. His second marriage was to Ada Bowyer in 1921. His second marriage certificate states he was born in Dublin. He was never divorced. His death cerificate shows he was born in Dublin and died at age 89 in 1963. We doubt he was born in Dublin as he enlisted in WW1 as a Protestant Soldier. His ashes are buried in the Protestant returned soldiers section of Waikamete cemetery so it's unlikely that he was a Catholic from Dublin. I have also been told he was born in Dumbarton, County Luss Scotland. My father and uncle were adamant he was Scottish and my brother remembers him having a Scottish accent. I am wondering if there were 2 Joseph Colquhouns in Auckland at that time and seeek clarity on this matter. Both his marriage certificates and death certificate show different ages and places of birth. It is believed that he may have arrived in New Zealand with his parents as my father spoke of Aunts and Uncles living in Auckland when he was growing up and I have made contact with one of their offspring. I also remember visiting 2 of his cousins who lived in Selwyn Street Onehunga - Betty Lewis (nee Colhoun) and Ina Collins (nee Colhoun) whose mother's name was Jess. They changed the spelling of their name to Colhoun. Ada Rosina Colquhoun was buried in Mangere Lawn Cemetery in 1964. Joseph and Ada had 5 children. Leonard Robert Colhoun born 1900, Reginald Percy born 1902, John Colhoun born 1903, Myrtle Ivy Colhoun born 1904 and Ethel Gladys born 1907. Their last known address was Emma St, Mt Eden in 1916.
Hello
It seems you have conflicting information and doubts as to who your Grandfather is, then you need to look at your known family first? See what is recorded on your Father's Death (if deceased), Marriage and Birth Certificates?
When people ask me about tracing family history and have a conflict of possibles, I always say start off with seeing or obtaining the Full Certificates of all your known family, the known family (now deceased) and that they all actually relate to each other.
My Dad told me his Father's first name (killed when my Dad was a boy in WW 2), I couldn't find an Index match, so I got Dad to get his original Birth Certificate out and my Grandfather also had two middle names!
We traced our family addresses in a City and across two Counties 1900 to 1980, to make sure we knew who all my deceased family were, where they lived and were linked to each other, to known addresses and addresses discovered on Certificates and RAF records. When they disapeared in one address on an Electoral Register, they would appear in another (a double check).
Mark
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Thanks for all you're advice and infromation. Unfortunately all my grandfathers children have passed away and there's only the grandchildren left. We have the Irish Joseph Colquhoun's birth, immigration, marriage and death certificates. But my brother is adamant he was from Scotland and has come up with this other guy. I remember my Father and his brother being adamant their Father was for Scotland. Why would they say that if he was Irish? They weren't the sort of people to joke about such matters. I have no recollection of my Grandfather as he died 6 months before I was born. I'm getting it in 1 ear from my brother thet we're Scottish and in other ear from my cousin that we're Irish. It would be nice to be able to shut 1 of them up.
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There are Scots in Ireland and vice versa (Irish born, living in Scotland).
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Hello
"They changed the spelling of their name to Colhoun."
Why?
I don't need to know, but you definitely do, when tracing your family history. Why has part of your known family changed their surname spelling? Was it deliberate and why?
When this occurred in my family, the person who changed his surname at Marriage to my Great Aunt (on my Mother's side) did so because my Mother's family born back in the 19th Century didn't want my Great Aunt to marry an Irishman and my Mother was honest enough to tell me about the history.
When my Gt. Aunt went into a Nursing Home, a 1930s Reference to him from his Commanding Officer of the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry was found (now part of our family papers) which confirm his Birth name was a known Irish surname and my Mother has also confirmed that was his surname.
Are there any Brothers and Sisters to the family member claimed to be born Ireland and are their Certificates and any other documentation, any help?
If any were in the Armed Services, what do their Military Records say? Or are there any other documents, like Wills? Or Immigration Files, closed documents like Census, you can obtain from your government?
Mark
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Death certificate for Joseph COLQUHOUN, died 1963....what does it have for years in the colony?