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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Anagh on Wednesday 10 August 05 08:39 BST (UK)
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Hello,
while looking for records available for Cavan and Monaghan on the LDS site I noticed they had some school records. One of them was the Drumaloor National School Registers from 1872 - 1967. Could someone please tell me what type of school a National School is, as I am not sure on the Irish School system.
Many thanks
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Pre School or Nursery school = 3yrs - 4yrs getting them ready for school
National school = 4YRS- 12YRS doing a total of 8 yrs
Secondary school = 12YRS-18YRS doing a total of 6yrs
After all this they go on to College
Hope this helps
Anne
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Anne
thankyou very much. I was just a bit baffled by the name National.
Just another question, could any religion go to a National school?
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Ireland was a very catholic country so the schools would have been run by the catholic church so it would have been very rare or unheard of for other religions to be in the Irish school system. Thankfully all that has changed today
Anne
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Thanks Anne,I just wanted to double check before I went ordering records and they were for the wrong kind of school.
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The 1852 Directory for Belfast and Province of Ulster ... Cavan shows the following schools in the town ...
Academy, Bridge Street, John Brady, teacher
Royal School ... Rev. William Prior Moore, AM., master
Farnham School, Farnham Street ... Henry Fleming, master; Jane Fleming, mistress
Roman Catholic School, Farnham Street ... Rev. John O'Reilly, Rev. N. Connaty and Patrick Curran ... masters.
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Pre School or Nursery school = 3yrs - 4yrs getting them ready for school
National school = 4YRS- 12YRS doing a total of 8 yrs
Secondary school = 12YRS-18YRS doing a total of 6yrs
Things were a bit different years ago. Children aged usually 4 (although some started at 3) to 14 or so attended National Schools and certainly in some areas they were attended by all religions.
The school registers I have seen all follow the same format- name of child, age (in years or later birthdate given), residence (townland or street if in a town), date of admission, name of previous school, religion, father's occupation.
The registers can be quite good for tracking down people although if the surname is very common in the area it is sometimes difficult to match up siblings.
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Are there any school registers available on line?
Kathleen
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Don't know if any are available online. In Northern Ireland many of them are held at PRONI.
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Thanks for responding. As I'm sure you know, we searchers need to maintain the hope of finding answers.
Regards, Kathleen
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I'm not sure about the registers of Irish schools being online. If there any are there are very few of them. You'd fare better if your ancestors attended Eton, Rugby or Giggleswick :D The Eton School Register: 1791-1909, The Rugby School Register 1675-1874 and the Giggleswick School Register 1499 - 1913 are available on CDs
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I am looking for information about the schools attended by children of the soldiers who were at the barracks in Cavan during the 1890s.
Kathleen
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Ireland was a very catholic country so the schools would have been run by the catholic church so it would have been very rare or unheard of for other religions to be in the Irish school system. Thankfully all that has changed today
Anne
Hiya Anne and Kathleen,
The PRONI article on School Records (http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/school.htm) indicates that National Schools and Public Elementary Schools were open to all denominations. The article says "Some 2,500 national schools were established in Ulster in the period 1832-1870, built with the aid of the Commissioners of National Education and local trustees..."
I don't know how many were established in the other Provinces. In the Inspector's Report section of the article it says "Due to the fact that the newly established primary school system was to be non-denominational, all of the main churches were united in their dislike of the separation of the religious from the academic. On occasion this clerical opposition resulted in the establishment of rival schools in the area."
Kathleen, are you looking for the Roll Books and Registers of Drumaloor National School or did you just mention that name as an example because you noticed it in the Cavan and Monaghan records on the LDS site? The National Archives hold "National School Roll Books and Registers" (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/topics/Nat_Schools/cavaneduc.html) received via the Department of Education - Cavan"
Christopher
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Thanks Christopher. I'll do some checking into that.
Regards, Kathleen
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Which year is the earliest for Co Cavan school registers ?
I did notice a schoolmaster listed in the 1821 census and it mentioned the number of girls and boys that he taught
Linden
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Linden,
The National Archives link shows the earliest school is Corlatty Carroll in 1804.
Christopher
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Hi again Christopher ,
You are a mine of information !
I've just had a reply back from Cavan Genealogists saying they couldn't find any parish records for my Leddy family , so I'm going to try your earlier suggestions .
A researcher in the National Archives told me which first names in the Griffiths evaluations matched my family - so I guess that's one place to start . The school lists would be another .
I've always wondered where people got the money to emigrate , even if it was only to England.
Regards,
Linden
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Hi Linden,
There were many ways to raise the funds to emigrate ... a few that spring immediately to mind are ...
1. If the family was a large one and a couple of the older members had married someone with a bit of money they would probably have assisted younger ones to emigrate.
2. Landlords sometimes paid people to emigrate rather than have them on their land.
3. A member of a family may have emigrated on their own, found a job and sent money home so that others could emigrate.
4. Transportation for committing a crime meant there was no necessity to pay.
5. Many emigrated as bonded-servants. They would be given passage to America, paid by the person who brought them over and would have to work off their passage upon their arrival as per their contract. This could be a period lasting as long as seven years.
Christopher
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My family came from Virginia, a little town north of Kells.
Surname was Green and they were in Virginia from 1860's to probably 1960s.
The girls married and moved away. The last male didn't marry and died in the 1960s I believe.
Any idea which National School children from Virginia would have attended?
My gran took me there once and pointed out a building where she went to school so it may still be standing.
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Just found this chat and thought an update might be of interest. I went to the National School in Farnham Street, Cavan in 1950's. It was predominantly C of I. After going our separate ways for further education and careers ten of us met up again in 2004 and each year since then to relive our memories of those school days with our teacher Mrs Magaghy. Her assistant teacher from then also joins us!! Is this a record?
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I do have transcribed lists of children attending National Schools in and around Cootehill, Co. Cavan. Most are names of children when they first enrolled in the schools.
If you are sure your people lived in the Cootehill area, I may be able to do a lookup for you. What I have starts in the mid/late 1800's forward.
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There are some lists of early Kilmore schools registers, in the book 'All Lovely Kilmore' by Wendy swan. From late 1800's to early 1900's. Probaly not the area that the army children would have gone to but may be useful reference.
Alison
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DAVIES family research
Hi is it possible to look up school registers in Cootehill for my grandmother and her brothers attending in the early 1900s. William, Edwin, John, Ellen, Samuel and Arthur? The last 3 were born in Cootehill. They lived in the Gas Works cottages Cootehill and looking through street directories I note their father Edwin was recorded as gas manager and his surname was also spelt Daves. They may have moved to Monaghan around 1912-14 but I don't know how to check that out. Any information would be much appreciated.
Looflow
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DAVIES family research
Hi is it possible to look up school registers in Cootehill for my grandmother and her brothers attending in the early 1900s. William, Edwin, John, Ellen, Samuel and Arthur? The last 3 were born in Cootehill. They lived in the Gas Works cottages Cootehill and looking through street directories I note their father Edwin was recorded as gas manager and his surname was also spelt Daves. They may have moved to Monaghan around 1912-14 but I don't know how to check that out. Any information would be much appreciated.
Looflow
Family in 1911 shows children as William & Edwin (born Scotland), Ellen Eva, Samuel Rowland, Thomas Arthur. Nine children but only 6 living.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Cootehill_Town/Chapel_Lane__St____Mun0ly_/343593/
Ellen Eva's birth gives mother's maiden name as Hands-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01888/1733881.pdf
Son Samuel Roland-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01782/1700174.pdf
Son Thomas Arthur (Davis)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01600/1642955.pdf
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Thanks Aghadowey.
Thanks for this information. Any idea how I find the names of the missing children who must have died young?
I know the Davies family came originally from Shropshire England and moved around with the father's work which brought them first to Cavan?
BTW: Ellen my grandmother married Watson Armstong and you were already helping with research into his father James Armstrong (gardener) in Belfast who died before 1901 census and his father Andrew who was a shepherd in Armagh. I still have had no luck with them. I even contacted the National Archives in Dublin without success.
LF
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Using free searches on Scotland's People-
Possible deaths in Scotland (surname Davies, mother's maiden name Hands)-
DAVIES ANNIE, age 2, mother- HANDS, 1896, 570/ 22, Lochwinnoch
DAVIES REBECCA, age 0, mother- HANDS, 1897, 570/ 64, Lochwinnoch
1901 census-Lochwinnoch, Renfrew. (570/ 6/ 10)
DAVIES EDWIN age 35
DAVIES ANNIE age 30
DAVIES WILLIAM age 7
DAVIES EDWIN age 2
Births- Davies/Lochwinnoch district-
DAVIES JOHN 1893 (570/ 28)
DAVIES REBECCA 1897 (570/ 92)
DAVIES EDWIN 1898 (570/ 116)
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BTW: Ellen my grandmother married Watson Armstong and you were already helping with research into his father James Armstrong (gardener) in Belfast who died before 1901 census and his father Andrew who was a shepherd in Armagh. I still have had no luck with them. I even contacted the National Archives in Dublin without success.
Associated thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=862460.9
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Thanks KG.
I had forgotten about that previous conversation. Too many names in my head!
LF