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Title: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Thursday 23 August 18 18:00 BST (UK)
wondering if there are any descendants of the Anne rosemond/John percival line still living in leitrim so family in Sligo can visit - see homesteads etc. anyone got any suggestions?. I'm several generations down (Thomas perceval/ irwin - frances Percival (m. James C Price) - William Arthur Price - Charles Patrick Price (my father). thanks.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 23 August 18 21:39 BST (UK)
This family?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=315319.0
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Sunday 26 August 18 22:57 BST (UK)
hi, thanks ,yes I believe so. not entirely sure how to persue! thanks
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 26 August 18 23:24 BST (UK)
What townland in Leitrim?
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 00:32 BST (UK)
There is a lot in that other thread, bit of a head melt.
Is this Frances Percival James Charles Price marriage 1892 your line?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10643/5877618.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Newbridge/Edward_Street/1443321/

Frances birth as Fanny 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03345/2226186.pdf
Father Thomas mother Margaret Irwin
Eliza 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03428/2257877.pdf

Think the townland is Aughriman

Thomas and Margaret's marriage is registered in Boyle 1867.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Monday 27 August 18 11:54 BST (UK)
wondering if there are any descendants of the Anne rosemond/John percival line still living in leitrim

I looked in the current Irish phone book. Did not find any Perceval/Percival listed in Leitrim.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 12:02 BST (UK)
In Griffith's Valuation there is a John Perciveal in Aughriman, print date 1856, you can use the map to see where he lived and perhaps visit that area/ house.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Monday 27 August 18 13:00 BST (UK)
Aughriman family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Leitrim/Aughriman/653566/
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 13:09 BST (UK)
Not sure if there are too many around as 4 infants of John Shaw Percival died as infants and his wife died 1927 age 48.

JSP died 1966 aged 92.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Monday 27 August 18 14:52 BST (UK)
wow, thank you so much everyone for your imput.
Yes, exactly the Frances Percival you have noted.
There was someone on the previous thread who had gone to visit some aunts there, and mentioned an uncle victor - but i can see from records that he sadly died, just this summer. I hadn't thought much about the lack of male descendants in the line. thanks again
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 15:03 BST (UK)
Haven't looked at the other thread....   ;D
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 15:06 BST (UK)
Victor is buried in Mohill
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 15:11 BST (UK)
You could ask the Undertaker if there were kin to send condolences to...   ;D

M Rowley & Sons

funeral was 14 July 2018
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 15:15 BST (UK)
No. 44
Left side:
In Loving Memory of | JOHN SHAW PERCIVAL | Aughriman | Died Dec 25
1966 | Aged 92 Years | His Wife ELIZABETH ANN | Died Aug 5 1927 | Aged
48 Years | Also Their Infant Children | WILLIAM, THOMAS, | IRENE &
FRANCES | "Forever with the Lord".
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/1headstones/drumshanbo.txt

I see from Victor's death notice he went to St.Mary's Mohill, there are images of that cemetery on IGP but there are no Percivals, it may be that the collection is not complete or he is the first of the family to use it.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/leitrim-mohill/index.html 
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 15:20 BST (UK)
Yes I photographed Drumshambo.... but Mohill is incomplete!

Others visiting there might take some to contribute!
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 15:33 BST (UK)
John Shaw and Elizabeth Brown had 4 children by 1916
One son William
3 girls Margaret, Annie and Frances
It looks like Margaret and Annie survived as they are not on the parent's headstone and it's possible there are other sons and daughters.
Is it know who Victor's parent were?
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 16:07 BST (UK)
I wonder if these have a Tombstone.   ;D


Matthew Tomb. He was born in Ireland (possibly county Antrim) on 8-30-1885. He married Elizabeth Percival, who was born 7-19-1893 in Currawn, Mohill, Ireland.
They had 4 children, Elizabeth, Matthew, John Andrew and Robert William

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.tomb/39/mb.ashx
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 16:13 BST (UK)

Just a matter of looking for them.....

Inscription

    Elizabeth and Thomas had the following children: Elizabeth "Lilly" Percival (Tomb), Margaret "Maggie" Percival (McLaughlin), Alexander Percival, Sarah Ann "Annie" Percival, Robert Percival, John William Percival, Thomas Richard Percival, Francis Arthur Percival, Frances Florence Maria Percival, Kathleen Percival.


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184797585/elizabeth-l-percival

Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 16:22 BST (UK)
But are the  Aughriman and the Currawn Percivals the same family?
Griffith's Valuation give an Alexander Percival in Curraun.

Are they all from Anne Rosemond and John Percival?

Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 16:35 BST (UK)
.........given information about the baptisms of my gggrandfather's children by the Longford Heritage Centre. They said John Percival and Ann Rosemond had 5 children baptised in the Church of Ireland Congluish Parish at Lissagernal between 1821 and 1836. A family member living in Mohill tells me that the Percival burying ground was always Kiltoghert cemetary about 2 miles from Carrick-on-Shannon. Ann,wife of John P is buried there and apparently John too. I live in Australia.Why would their children be baptised in Lissagernal and they be buried in Aughriman




https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=758&p=localities.britisles.ireland.log.general
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 16:48 BST (UK)
But are the  Aughriman and the Currawn Percivals the same family?
Griffith's Valuation give an Alexander Percival in Curraun.

Are they all from Anne Rosemond and John Percival?

That is where the use of a spreadsheet and then researching their Civil Reg Marriages, subsequent marriages etc in the various districts could be very beneficial including the Longford ones!
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 17:48 BST (UK)
But are the  Aughriman and the Currawn Percivals the same family?
Griffith's Valuation give an Alexander Percival in Curraun.

Are they all from Anne Rosemond and John Percival?

That is where the use of a spreadsheet and then researching their Civil Reg Marriages, subsequent marriages etc in the various districts could be very beneficial including the Longford ones!

 :-\ I thought you were posting them because you knew they were.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 20:48 BST (UK)
But are the  Aughriman and the Currawn Percivals the same family?
Griffith's Valuation give an Alexander Percival in Curraun.

Are they all from Anne Rosemond and John Percival?

That is where the use of a spreadsheet and then researching their Civil Reg Marriages, subsequent marriages etc in the various districts could be very beneficial including the Longford ones!

 :-\ I thought you were posting them because you knew they were.


John Percival and Ann Rosemond had 5 children baptised in the Church of Ireland Congluish Parish and they seem to connect to Drumshambo ones who seem to connect to Mohill... how accurate the burials in Kiltoghert are I don't know.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 27 August 18 20:56 BST (UK)
wondering if there are any descendants of the Anne rosemond/John percival line still living in leitrim so family in Sligo can visit - see homesteads etc. anyone got any suggestions?. I'm several generations down (Thomas perceval/ irwin - frances Percival (m. James C Price) - William Arthur Price - Charles Patrick Price (my father). thanks.

How does Thomas connect to John Percival and Anne Rosemount?

From the other thread
How could two families seem to be in two counties at roughly the same time.  I have baptism of five children to John and Percival and Ann Rosemond in Clonguish Parish at Lissagernal..Alexander 1821,Elizabeth 1822,William 1824,Arthur 1828 and Eliza 1836.This was provided by Longford Genealogical society.

There is more to that post but it's appears to be just a list of Percivels in the area.
 
This one indicates that John and Annie moved to Aughriman, so in the correct area.
The baptisim records of 4 of the children of John Percival &
Anne Rosemond show their address as Lisagernal,Clonguish
Parish.Co Longford where John Percival was a constable in1826.About 1830 the family moved to Aughriman,Kiltoghert
Parish,Co leitrim. 
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 21:14 BST (UK)
But are the  Aughriman and the Currawn Percivals the same family?
Griffith's Valuation give an Alexander Percival in Curraun.

Are they all from Anne Rosemond and John Percival?

From what I can find..... he emigrated to US.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 21:52 BST (UK)

 

From the other thread
How could two families seem to be in two counties at roughly the same time.  I have baptism of five children to John and Percival and Ann Rosemond in Clonguish Parish at Lissagernal..Alexander 1821,Elizabeth 1822,William 1824,Arthur 1828 and Eliza 1836.This was provided by Longford Genealogical society.

There is more to that post but it's appears to be just a list of Percivels in the area.
 
 



just a list of Percivels in the area is not much use.....has anyone actually studied


Where did they go?

Where did they marry?

Where did they die?


Children of each??  etc etc
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 22:34 BST (UK)
wow, thank you so much everyone for your imput.
Yes, exactly the Frances Percival you have noted.
There was someone on the previous thread who had gone to visit some aunts there, and mentioned an uncle victor - but i can see from records that he sadly died, just this summer. I hadn't thought much about the lack of male descendants in the line. thanks again

Some Aunts and an Uncle........   Not much use without names!!   
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Tuesday 28 August 18 08:31 BST (UK)
Thank you, once again! I will ask my brother in Sligo to visit the cemetery in Mohill in the quest for headstones. Thank you Hallmark (CP? as you mentioned Australia - we spoke on Ancestry before!), is your family member in Mohill a Percival, or connected? would be good for my brother to have a point of reference in Leitrim! thanks again. AM
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 08:41 BST (UK)
Thank you, once again! I will ask my brother in Sligo to visit the cemetery in Mohill in the quest for headstones. Thank you Hallmark (CP? as you mentioned Australia - we spoke on Ancestry before!), is your family member in Mohill a Percival, or connected? would be good for my brother to have a point of reference in Leitrim! thanks again. AM

No. I only posted pieces from posts on Ancestry....

I used to photograph g/stones ar cemeteries that might help others but as no one else seems to want to do the same to help others I gave up.........
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 28 August 18 09:39 BST (UK)
Do you know how Thomas connects to John Percival and Annie Rosemount?

wondering if there are any descendants of the Anne rosemond/John percival line still living in leitrim so family in Sligo can visit - see homesteads etc. anyone got any suggestions?. I'm several generations down (Thomas perceval/ irwin - frances Percival (m. James C Price) - William Arthur Price - Charles Patrick Price (my father). thanks.

How does Thomas connect to John Percival and Anne Rosemount?

From the other thread
How could two families seem to be in two counties at roughly the same time.  I have baptism of five children to John and Percival and Ann Rosemond in Clonguish Parish at Lissagernal..Alexander 1821,Elizabeth 1822,William 1824,Arthur 1828 and Eliza 1836.This was provided by Longford Genealogical society.

There is more to that post but it's appears to be just a list of Percivels in the area.
 
This one indicates that John and Annie moved to Aughriman, so in the correct area.
The baptisim records of 4 of the children of John Percival &
Anne Rosemond show their address as Lisagernal,Clonguish
Parish.Co Longford where John Percival was a constable in1826.About 1830 the family moved to Aughriman,Kiltoghert
Parish,Co leitrim. 
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 11:42 BST (UK)
Is   Perceval   Thomas    30 May 1838    Leitrim   Mohill     Annaduff     Drumod More   



....and the Thomas who bought 56 acres in Aughriman for £600 cash  the same Thomas?

Has anyone checked to see if he registered it?


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John Percival was a constable about 1830 and the family moved to Aughriman, Kiltoghert...


has anyone checked if he registered a Lease?? 

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Do anyone know how Thomas connects to John Percival and Annie Rosemount?




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Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Is   Perceval   Thomas    30 May 1838    Leitrim   Mohill     Annaduff     Drumod More   



....and the Thomas who bought 56 acres in Aughriman for £600 cash  the same Thomas?

Has anyone checked to see if he registered it?
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Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 11:51 BST (UK)
Thank you, once again! I will ask my brother in Sligo to visit the cemetery in Mohill in the quest for headstones. Thank you Hallmark (CP? as you mentioned Australia - we spoke on Ancestry before!), is your family member in Mohill a Percival, or connected? would be good for my brother to have a point of reference in Leitrim! thanks again. AM


You could ask undertaker if they have a book of condolences ?
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 20:16 BST (UK)
Is   Perceval   Thomas    30 May 1838    Leitrim   Mohill     Annaduff     Drumod More   



....and the Thomas who bought 56 acres in Aughriman for £600 cash  the same Thomas?

Has anyone checked to see if he registered it?
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I see "John Percival and others" sold Land  in Aughriman to Thomas... 


1.  Does anyone know who "the others" were? 

AND

2.  Does anyone know if it is the same date??
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:25 BST (UK)
Nobody mentioned that Thomas Percival of Drumshambo was Thomas Percival ESQUIRE of Drumshambo.....


Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was one of the Temple House Percivals!!   SLIGO
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Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:36 BST (UK)
St George C O I Dublin 11th Feb 1808
Alexander Percival of Temple House ,Sligo to Jane L,Estrange
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-298-1-1-019
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:55 BST (UK)
St George C O I Dublin 11th Feb 1808
Alexander Percival of Temple House ,Sligo to Jane L,Estrange
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-298-1-1-019


You'll find them marrying the wealthiest families in Ireland! 

It is only a hunch that Thomas is one of them!
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:17 BST (UK)
   Perceval   Thomas    30 May 1838    Leitrim   Mohill     Annaduff     Drumod More 



 
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Newspaper:    
Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content:    
At the Chancery Court above mentioned as late tenant.
Date:    05 January 1850
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL THOMAS DROMODMORE
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:19 BST (UK)
Newspaper:    Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content:    
Above listed as late tenant on lands to let in Furnace by public auction re: order by Chancery Court.
Date:    11 November 1848
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL THOMAS FURNACE
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:23 BST (UK)
 Newspaper:    Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content:    
Rent adjusted at County Leitrim Land Sub-Commission.
Date:    02 August 1888
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL THOMAS TENANT OF MAJOR C MOLLOY
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:26 BST (UK)
Newspaper:    The Nation
Newspaper Content:    
Attended meeting of hotel and posting proprietors.
Date:    02 January 1847
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL THOMAS DROMOD HOTEL PROPRIETOR
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:33 BST (UK)
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL THOMAS

Newspaper:    Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content:    
The above was defendant in an insolvent debtor's court action taken against him by George Burdett LeStrange and Mr.Lawder.
Date:    05 July 1845
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 29 August 18 00:38 BST (UK)
Newspaper Subject:    PERCIVAL JOHN DRUMSHANBO SON OF THOMAS


Newspaper:    Leitrim Observer.
Newspaper Content:    
Evidence at Percival and Abraham versus Rodden Courtcase.
Date:    12 March 1904
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: linny1 on Tuesday 06 November 18 11:40 GMT (UK)
I have been studying these Percivals of Leitrim and Longford for 25 years.   It is so difficult to follow all the links on roots chat isn't it.  I am sure we are not related to the Percevals of Sligo though they kindly had my cousin and me to lunch back in 2002.  I have had my DNA done and so has Patrick Perceval, both through Ancestry.com  There doesn't appear to be a connection.I have traced the variuos children of John P and Anne Rosemond.  Arthur ended up in NSW. Alexander married Dunbar,Elizabeth married a McCormack,William I can't trace.....may have gone to US,Thomas married an Irwin,Henry married a cousin Frances and later Selina Stephenson in Dublin.  They are all accounted for.
Going backwards we have to do some research into Alexander and John who were both constables.  I don't no where to turn next to find out where they came from
Any ideas?
BTW I was the one who visited some relatives in Ireland.  Kathleen and Ivy in Mohill.   They are both gone now.  They knew much about the family but the only thing they could tell me about their grand father John was that he was some sort of sheriff in the district who could take away people's homes and was therefore not liked a lot. I suppose he was a constable too and a farmer.  Kathleen and Ivy had a brother Alexander who was a doctor.  I suspect he might be dead too.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Tuesday 06 November 18 18:52 GMT (UK)
hi 'Linny', thanks for the info. I can't remember if you mentioned which 'line' you are from. I am on ancestry too, so perhaps if you have a different user name on the DNA profiles, we may by some stretch of the imagination - be matched. (I am the percival - irwin) there's over 400 4th cousins on there for me! I was just disappointed to learn I was only about 12% Irish, despite Irish parents and a Scottish paternal grandmother. Perhaps the British library here in london, might have some details on the sheriffs/ constables of that time. I had membership about 20 years ago, so I can try again.
amanda michalia (london)
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Tuesday 06 November 18 20:35 GMT (UK)
I have been having a root about online this evening, with a John Percival registered with the Royal Irish Constabulary in Leitrim. The records are in the National Archives in Kew, here in London. Anyone have any confirmation or idea if this is on the right track? as I will go down to Kew to take a look.
thanks
amanda
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 November 18 20:49 GMT (UK)
I have been having a root about online this evening, with a John Percival registered with the Royal Irish Constabulary in Leitrim. The records are in the National Archives in Kew, here in London. Anyone have any confirmation or idea if this is on the right track? as I will go down to Kew to take a look.
thanks
amanda


When?
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: NB31225 on Tuesday 06 November 18 21:27 GMT (UK)
theres a John Percival 1821 - service no 20242 - Down (N. Ireland)
John Percival 1855, same service number - leitrim
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: linny1 on Sunday 11 November 18 11:58 GMT (UK)
I'm the one who visited the aunts in Mohill.  It was 2001.  I met Kathleen Boyle and her sister Margaret and sister Ivy.They also had a brother Alexander, a doctor in Galway.  They are sadly all dead now.  They were the children of John Percival ,son of Thomas ,son of John P and Ann Rosemond.
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim and Longford
Post by: linny1 on Sunday 12 March 23 03:57 GMT (UK)
Hi, Im the one who visited the aunts in Mobil!!
My goodness this discussion has been going on for years.  Ne w people enter into the discussion but don't seem to read all that has gone before.
John Percival and Anne Rosemond had a child Arthur in 1828.  He emigrated to NSW and had a string of Children with an Australian born wife. His brother Henry came out to NSW too but returned and died in Dublin after marrying for the second time.
It is fairly easy to follow the Rosemonds.
I am guessing that John's father was Alexander who was a constable in the RIC
Why?  Because the dates fit, the area fits and Johns first son was called Alexander.
I have done my DNA and have connections with three siblings of Arthur Percival b.1828. They are Thomas, Elizabeth and Alexander. 
I have been to the cemetery in Drunshambo and seen John's Headstone. It's very difficult to read but has been transcribed. Nowhere can I find where he was born and to whom!!!! As I have stated before I have been working on the for over 25 years.  I felt DNA would hold the answers but not yet.  If you are related to these Percival please get your DNA done by Ancestry.Com. The more connections the further back we may one day go!
Patrick Perceval's daughter of the Temple House family has had her DNA done and isn't a match with me or Amanda Michalia(Thomas's great grand daughter).
What more can we do?
Title: Re: percivals/ percevals of leitrim
Post by: Bexlou79 on Monday 01 April 24 21:11 BST (UK)
Hello.

I found this thread when doing a search on the Percival family from Curraun, Co.Leitrim
We recently bought the farm that was owned by the Percival family. Last resident was Victor Percival. Furthest back I can trace was Arthur Percival & family from the 1901 census. I know the house was on the first ever ordinance survey map around 1830s but strongly think the house was built much earlier. Does anyone have any information on Arthur's patents & grandparents please?
Thanks