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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: KGarrad on Tuesday 21 August 18 14:48 BST (UK)
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Nobody else has started a thread . . . so I will ;D
Another good episode, I thought.
Although Johnny came over as a bit naive at first - e.g. "Why did she mark with an "X"?"; but I suppose we all had to start somewhere.
The episode covered a lot of what we think of as basics - but to the General Public, it would have been a good introduction to FH.
I was surprised that the researcher didn't come up with the obvious answer to the unmarried female relative with 4 children? Maybe, just maybe, the young lady was a prostitute? That has to be considered?
I really liked the format of 30 minutes to paternal; 30 minutes to maternal sides.
Never became too boring.
All-in-all a very good series this time.
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I watched that episode with interest as my Gt. Gt. Gt. Grandmother gave birth to 4 illegitimate children in the 1840's / 50s.
She lived in a small village in the Midlands.
Looking at the marriage certificates of her 2 sons one just has blank in the father's name the other my Gt. Gt. Grandfather had ' Illegitimate ' written across it by the vicar.
She was never described as an agricultural worker anywhere just Servant or Cook, in fact at one time she was the cook at the local workhouse.
I have never found any mention of her in local newspapers or Bastardy records and only one of the girls had a surname as a given name, so very few clues.
This series though has produced documents and I hope newcomers don't get the impression that documents are easy to find.
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I was waiting for somebody on Rootschat to start it - as it's "her family", who she's been researching years; they got in contact with her to ask what she had. Gillg is the username I expected to start a thread.
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gillg has commented on another thread about WDYTYA in general and didn't see the programme. She was waiting for the researcher to let her know when it was on.
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Did I miss the census returns for the Cambridgeshire side of the family?
Is Voss a local name, on google it could be dutch or German?
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Did I miss the census returns for the Cambridgeshire side of the family?
Is Voss a local name, on google it could be dutch or German?
Seems to be local on this name map (1881). According to gbnames website
'English - Locational Name'
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=VOSS&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name
Maybe it comes from the word 'Fosse'?
A long, narrow trench or excavation, especially in a fortification.
Origin-Late Old English, via Old French from Latin fossa
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Nobody else has started a thread . . . so I will ;D
Another good episode, I thought.
Although Johnny came over as a bit naive at first - e.g. "Why did she mark with an "X"?"; but I suppose we all had to start somewhere.
The episode covered a lot of what we think of as basics - but to the General Public, it would have been a good introduction to FH.
I was surprised that the researcher didn't come up with the obvious answer to the unmarried female relative with 4 children? Maybe, just maybe, the young lady was a prostitute? That has to be considered?
I really liked the format of 30 minutes to paternal; 30 minutes to maternal sides.
Never became too boring.
All-in-all a very good series this time.
Yes agree it was a good introduction for the general public just setting out on family research.
But again, I can't help being disappointed by the accuracy. Since when was 'Bootle', where the maternal side was from, 'in Liverpool'?
On the Voss side, why describe 'agricultural labouring gangs' as if that kind of labour wasn't the norm. 'Ag Lab' was the top listed occupation on the 1851 census. We have all got them haven't we?
Not sure that illegitimacy was as uncommon, or as shameful, as the series keeps making out. Going by the amount of pubs at the time, I doubt most people were sat at home reading the bible on an evening
Wasn't surprised by the 'whipping' of labourers or descriptions of them as 'slaves'. It is mentioned in many contemporary accounts
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Bootle has always been in Liverpool in my lifetime? ;D
Bootle-cum-Linacre was a township in Walton-on-the-Hill parish; which also contained Everton, Kirkdale, Bootle-cum-Linacre, Fazakerley, Kirkby, Simonswood, and Formby townships; and a considerable part of Liverpool borough.
Sounds like Liverpool to me ;)
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When they visited the street where his ancestors lived in Bootle, it had an L Postcode on the street sign. Doesn't L stand for Liverpool?
Illegitimacy wasn't uncommon for the odd baby,but for a girl to have had 4 illegitimate children by what appeared to have been 4 different men,was certainly not the norm :o
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When they visited the street where his ancestors lived in Bootle, it had an L Postcode on the street sign. Doesn't L stand for Liverpool?
Bootle is its own town, and especially so during the 19th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootle
Bootle (pronounced /ˈbuːtəl/) is a town in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton, Merseyside, England, which in 2001 had a population of 98,449.[2]...Bootle's town hall and other municipal buildings were erected in the last quarter of the 19th century. The population of the town swelled during this period...The town successfully fought against absorption by neighbouring Liverpool in 1903. This was a matter of some civic pride to the people of Bootle...
Historically part of Lancashire,...
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When they visited the street where his ancestors lived in Bootle, it had an L Postcode on the street sign. Doesn't L stand for Liverpool?
Illegitimacy wasn't uncommon for the odd baby,but for a girl to have had 4 illegitimate children by what appeared to have been 4 different men,was certainly not the norm :o
No it does not mean Liverpool its just postal admin
Rochdale has an OL postcode which is Oldham.
A person who lives in Rochdale would never think that they are part of Oldham.
Kendal has an LA postcode which is Lancaster but Kendal was in the County of Westmorland and since 1974 it has been in Cumbria
Go figure the Post Office!
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I found it fairly interesting, but so slow it was painful !
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I thought they extrapolated a lot of speculative stuff from the 'illegitimate' written on Millicent's MC. My immediate thought was that that was just what the priest wrote, not that it 'proved' that Millicent was a strong woman who was all in-your-face about having no known father, etc. etc.
Melbell
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Did anyone else notice that Louisa's death certificate described her as the 'widow of
David William Voss', so perhaps the unmarried status did bother someone, after all? The informant was partly obscured but was Elizabeth someone and I think was present at the death.
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Nobody else has started a thread . . . so I will ;D
I was surprised that the researcher didn't come up with the obvious answer to the unmarried female relative with 4 children? Maybe, just maybe, the young lady was a prostitute? That has to be considered?
I really liked the format of 30 minutes to paternal; 30 minutes to maternal sides.
Never became too boring.
All-in-all a very good series this time.
I too thought the format was good, it allows for not just maternal/paternal sides to be balanced, but it can help provide an insight into how different two sides of one family can be.
I think the researcher was being diplomatic about the possibility of Louise being a prostitute by allowing Johnny Peacock to come to that conclusion himself. As I remember it, it was he who suggested the pub was perhaps 'more than a pub' and maybe a 'brothel'. The researcher - fairly in my opinion - simply said it was a possibility.
What did come across to me very clearly, was evidence that Louise may well have been subjected to abuse of various kinds. Abuse leads to a loss of self worth, and possibly opened the door to her - in the words of the researcher - 'turning a trick or two' when she needed money. The other possibility is that it led to her 'taking up with' some real rogues. 'Bad boys' can be very attractive!
To be totally fair to Louise (who isn't here to speak for herself) perhaps she was a prostitute, but the evidence presented only really showed that she had had sex less times than you can count on the fingers of two hands - and to me that doesn't automatically = prostitute :)
Lindsey
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What a mess... I only just managed to watch it and then in two lots.. fgs.
I recorded the actual 1st prog as I need the 'subs' to watch it.. The recording clashed so failed. :(
I downloaded from Iplayer and no Subs - so no joy.
I set it to record the 2nd time it was an actual... in the middle of the night or late at night.. and WE had a power cut half way through....... phew...
So I ended up watching half of the recorded and half of the down/uploaded and ---- now I am worn out.
But yes of course it was worth watching .. bless him sweet and Niave .. and NOT enough story about Isaac for me.. but yes loved the Voss line..
Warboys.. why is that ringing a bell......
dark corner time..
xin
this is garbled because I now feel that way.. :( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Yes I said that out loud, "Bootle in Liverpool"?! Bootle is one of those "near Liverpool" places that gets tagged as Liverpool.
Blue
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I downloaded from Iplayer and no Subs - so no joy.
Do you not see the subs on iplayer? There should be a speech-bubble thing down the bottom right corner of the picture screen which lets you turn them on, and to pick the text size.
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I know --- I keep attempting to find -- the little bubble
or even a big bubble
xin
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Here's how it looks on my PC, using the iPlayer program. It looks similar if I use the browser to stream the content.
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will have another look later x
thanks
xin
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Sorry Andrew -- No joy -- I have found out its NOT IPLAYER --- sorry, its Sky so NO subs on downloads from sky.. they tell me..
useless
xin
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WDYTYA is a BBC program - and therefore WILL be available on iPlayer? ;D
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WDYTYA is a BBC program - and therefore WILL be available on iPlayer? ;D
I just thought that too.........it's the BBC IPlayer ;D
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Thanks all
So I could watch it on my PC
not my wonderful stupid expensive Sky TV :) anyway give up so dont worry.
xin