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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: David0088 on Thursday 16 August 18 13:39 BST (UK)
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I am looking for some help with my great grandmother Bridget Hyland's family. Bridget Hyland was born in Athy in 1896. Her parents were James Hyland and Ellen Whitaker. Bridget Hyland married Edward Dalton in 1924 in Dublin and she died in 1955 in Dublin.
The parish marriage record for her parents James Hyland and Ellen Whitaker is not readable and i cannot find the civil record, this is were i need some help to locate it. Bridget Hyland is living with her parents in Athy in the 1901 and 1911 census records.
My mother has taken the Ancestry DNA test and got a third cousin match to someone connected to the Hyland family, her brother got a 4th cousin match. This DNA match great grandfather is John Hyland, he was born around 1861 in Co.Kildare according to his USA naturalisation document and emmigrated to Boston in the 1880s and died in 1900/1901.
I think this John Hyland is the brother of Bridget's father James Hyland going by the DNA connection. According to John Hyland's marriage record his parents were Bernard Hyland and Ann. John Hyland had three children Mildred George and Katherine.
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Very easy to find...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02148/1815307.pdf
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Hyland of Athy 1890s http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mir/
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BDM's and other dates from list on left!!
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Is this the marriage you can't read
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633306#page/96/mode/1up
first one on the page.
No maiden name for the mothers that I can see.
Her parents looks like Thomas and Kate from Roundwood edited not Round something wood
His not sure about the father Brian perhaps and Anne
edited again make that Bryan.
If I remember correctly Bryan and Bernard are interchangeable
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The locations are Mount Hawkins and Rathstewart.
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The marriage before and the marriage after is registered but I don't see James and Ellen's.
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The locations are Mount Hawkins and Rathstewart.
:D :D me and wood, I can see Rathstewart now
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Is this the marriage you can't read
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633306#page/96/mode/1up
first one on the page.
No maiden name for the mothers that I can see.
Her parents looks like Thomas and Kate from Roundwood edited not Round something wood
His not sure about the father Brian perhaps and Anne
edited again make that Bryan.
If I remember correctly Bryan and Bernard are interchangeable
Yes i can't read the parish record for James Hyland and Ellen Whitaker marriage and i can't find the civil record for it.
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I could never find James Hyland parish birth record either while searching for the father as Bernard. Maybe it could be under Bryan.
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Probably never registered.
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Perhaps this will help you see the parents names
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Bryan and Anne
Thomas and Kate
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Br*an Hyland
Displaying results 1 - 4 of 4. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mix/
Nothing....
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1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_East_Urban/New_Row/1432918/
Ellen born before civil reg
possibly a sister born 1867 Caterine to Thomas Whittaker and Catherine Sewell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03464/2271910.pdf
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If the above census is right James was probably a widower
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oops thought the marriage was 1896
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1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_East_Urban/New_Row/1432918/
Ellen born before civil reg
possibly a sister born 1867 Caterine to Thomas Whittaker and Catherine Sewell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03464/2271910.pdf
Yes this is the correct census, In the 1911 census James is recorded as a widower.
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Bryan and Anne
Thomas and Kate
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Bryan and Anne
Thomas and Kate
The person who my mam got a third cousin match to this is their great grandfather's marriage record.
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John Hyland naturalisation
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So you need to find baptism records from James and John Hyland.
Oh looking at that register it might not be easy. Wonder if RootsIreland might be a better bet.
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... Oh looking at that register it might not be easy. Wonder if RootsIreland might be a better bet.
Using it as a search index brings back the following in Athy RC parish, 3rd entry from bottom, James Hyland baptised 6 April 1856, born ? April 1856, parents Bryan Hyland and Anne Kavanagh, the address transcribed as Srowland?, the sponsors were John Keogh and Mary Anne Dunne:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633305#page/38/mode/1up
There is a baptism for a John to this couple in 1858, even worse quality.
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An Anne Hyland died at a reported age of 57 in 1880 at Mount Hawkins, just a possibility:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06466/4859629.pdf
A Bryan Haelin died at a reported age of 80 in 1902 in Athy Workhouse Death, again just a possibility:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05686/4602456.pdf
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If the following marriage is correct, it looks like Bryan may have been a.k.a. Bernard and vice versa, from the Athy RC parish register, 13 September 1853, Bernard Hyland of Tomard married Anne Kavanagh of Srowland, witnessed by Bryan Kavanagh and Bridget Mack (top of left page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633304#page/210/mode/1up
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/narragh-reban-west/kilberry/athy-rural/srowland/
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/narragh-reban-west/kilberry/tomard/
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Great finds.
You would expect John Hyland (I've come across him in the newspapers as master of the workhouse) would have got the spelling of Bryan's name correct if it is the correct Bryan.
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There is a Mary Hyland in Tomard in Griffith's Valuation. Possible mother. Print date 1852
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Thanks a million guys. The occupier had the same name as Bernard's son.
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http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Athy/
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Thanks a million guys. The occupier had the same name as Bernard's son.
John Hyland master/occupier of the workhouse was still in Ireland in 1901 (Kildare Observer)
Your John was in America 1900, so not the same John.
Plus he was from Queen's County
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_West_Urban/Townparks/1433075/
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Great finds.
You would expect John Hyland (I've come across him in the newspapers as master of the workhouse) would have got the spelling of Bryan's name correct if it is the correct Bryan.
Only if it was same John!! ;D ;D
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That John Hylands marriage son of Thomas
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10969/8009661.pdf
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Great finds.
You would expect John Hyland (I've come across him in the newspapers as master of the workhouse) would have got the spelling of Bryan's name correct if it is the correct Bryan.
could you send the newspapers to me.
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Great finds.
You would expect John Hyland (I've come across him in the newspapers as master of the workhouse) would have got the spelling of Bryan's name correct if it is the correct Bryan.
could you send the newspapers to me.
You do realize it's not your John, but you might find other members of the family.
Free to search Kildare Observer.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
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Great finds.
You would expect John Hyland (I've come across him in the newspapers as master of the workhouse) would have got the spelling of Bryan's name correct if it is the correct Bryan.
could you send the newspapers to me.
You do realize it's not your John, but you might find other members of the family.
Free to search Kildare Observer.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
Yes, just interested to read about him.