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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Bkilpatrick on Thursday 16 August 18 00:25 BST (UK)
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I just cant find these sisters born to Thomas Grogan (1882) and Bridget McNicholas 1876. They have 4 siblings matilda 1924, James patrick 1913,Henry 1916 and Walter 1929. t least two of the sisters moved to London and married the same man (at different times!) William Sturley, Hackney London. Any suggestions greatly appreciated
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Any idea where they fitted in birth order?
Do you know where and when Thomas Grogan married Bridget McNicholas?
Are all the children of Thomas and Bridget dead?
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Delia married William Sturley in 1944 in Wallasey see www.freebmd.org.uk
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Ah the Wallasey connection was because Matilda was serving in the Navy at the time there, thx very much indeed
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Delia Agnes Sturley born 12.1.1925 died 2001 in Redbridge Greater London
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Thx again. No idea of birth order really and sadly all now dead
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5 children born to the Sturley marriage between 1947 and 1960. Nothing to suggest that William married any other Grogan sister
EDIT
William died in 1966
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The first marriage may have been to marie in Mayo. She then died and was replaced by her sister
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William was born around 1911 according to his death reg
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Thank you Carole W, nice cat btw
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Thomas Grogan and Bridget McNicholas married 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09923/5607221.pdf
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Son James Patrick born 1913-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01427/1585818.pdf
A daughter Mary Ellen born 1914-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01392/1572742.pdf
A daughter Annie Kate born 1915-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01349/1556820.pdf
Son Henry born 16 Dec.1916- "There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image."
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There was also another Grogan/McNicholas couple- they had a son Michael in 1900-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01981/1763335.pdf
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? John F. Grogan born 1919 gives parents as Thomas & Bridget (may be a co-incidence and not connected). Died 1991 near Chicago, Illinois-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23W-YMP5
John Francis 1919- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB1Y-822
For reference- Walter C. Grogan born 1929 Swinford district-https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F13L-GTR
Now for some possibilities which are too recent to have the certificates online- mother's maiden name not shown in index so can't be sure any ofthese are the ones you are looking for-
Bridget 1920- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB1F-C53
Beatrice 1922- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19B-F6X
Delia Kate 1923- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1SQ-QPR
Delia Agnes 1925- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19H-YTB
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Thank you very much for your efforts, very helpful both in the info u provided and also an example of how i can use multiple sources in the future. Hopefully if i keep at it one day i may be able to help others as you have so kindly helped me today
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I just cant find these sisters born to Thomas Grogan (1882) and Bridget McNicholas 1876. They have 4 siblings matilda 1924, James patrick 1913,Henry 1916 and Walter 1929.
Are you sure you have correct birth year for Bridget McNicholas? If she was born 1876 it would make her around 53 at birth of Walter 1929 and 48 when Matilda was born.
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Re Bridget's y.o.b. how about 1889 registered in Castlebar Superintendent's Registrar's District, Balla District? Father was Henry. Father's name on her marriage registration was Henry.
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There were 2 families on 1901 Irish census which are worth a look. They are both headed by father, Henry and both have a daughter Bridget. One has a son, Walter, aged 9. Both families were at Danganmore (Bellavary), Mayo. House 11 and house 13. Bridget in house 13 may be the same Bridget whose birth registration I mentioned. There were other McNicholas families in the townland.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Bellavary/Danganmore/
I couldn't find a birth registration for Bridget in House 11 or Walter, her brother. Perhaps the family spent several years out of Ireland.
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Marie Ellen Grogan married William Percival Sturley in Dublin 6/8/1939. His father is down as Percival Sturley a Monumental Mason.William was a joiner in the Dockyards.
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Marie Ellen Grogan married William Percival Sturley in Dublin 6/8/1939. His father is down as Percival Sturley a Monumental Mason.William was a joiner in the Dockyards.
You can see the marriage registration here- one of the witnesses is Delia Grogan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08864/5205716.pdf
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Once again thx very much, i was told this was a great place to ask questions by someone who has been doing this sort of thing for decades, she was definitely right. I'll get looking into the families more closely over the weekend