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I am trying to find details of my great Aunt Elizabeth jamieson who moved to Canada around the 1920,s . She was born in lochwinnoch, Renfrew shire in Scotland around 1900' she married a kenneth brake in Canada and lived in Toronto but had no children. Laterally she lived with her mother annie jamieson nee mcdonald. I think her mother died mid 1960,s and elizabeth late 1980,s. She also had a brother hugh who I think also lived in Canada.
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Hi,
Other threads on this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=557509.msg4102040#msg4102040
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519910.0
RK
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Possible obituary for Elizabeth.... Globe and Mail 24 Oct 1987, page E8
Elizabeth Brake died at Sunnybrook Medical Centre on Oct 23 1987. Predeceased by her husband Richard Kenneth Brake.
No burial place listed - cremation. No other family mentioned. Could be your Elizabeth??
RK
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Found an obituary for Richard Kenneth Brake in the Globe and Mail 16 Jan 1984, page C12.
He was called "Ken". He was the Honourary Commodore of the Toronto Sailing and Canoe Club, Member of the R.C.Y.C (pretty sure this is the Royal Canadian Yacht Club), Member of the Alexandre Yacht Club, President and Owner of Alumaloy Casting Limited. He was 82. He died on 13 January, following a losing fight after a car accident on the 24th of December 1983. Survived by his wife Elizabeth, God=daughter Greta Moore and her sisters and families. No burial place mentioned.
RK
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Elisabeth Brake in Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Toronto
http://www.finditatmpg.com/Details.aspx?GID=BEO02CGCrzmgXrm4chRP7g%3d%3d
Year of burial - 1987. Age 89. Plot Q. Lot 157US
RK
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Richard Kenneth Brake in the same plot...
http://www.finditatmpg.com/Details.aspx?GID=egNmprG6vSc92Ik5f5hkEw%3d%3d
Year of burial, 1984. Age 82.
RK
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Thanks RK for that information. It looks ok to me, with some family information I already have . I will keep trying to find anything on my great grandmother Annie Jamieson or McDonald.
Regards and thanks again
Gerry
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In case Annie remarried who were her parents?
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Hi Cosmac, she may well have remarried. But, she left hus band and some children in Scotland. When she came to N America. He died in 1947. Annies parents Hugh Mcdonald and Agnes Bertram.
Annie was born in Glasgow around 1878/79.
Gerry
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You can search through Toronto Directories online - through the Toronto Public Library site.
I looked in a couple (mid 50s and 1960), and I can see Richard K Brake, president of Alumaloy, living at 8 Nesbitt. Perhaps you can search earlier Directories - you might find Annie and you might find out more information about where your Elizabeth/Ken lived in the City.
https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp
RK
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oops...mistaken post. :P
RK
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Found out that my great grandmother may have been interred in same plot as her daughter elizabeth brake and her husband. Problem is that the name in plot is Ann mckinlay. My g grandmother ,s name was annie jamieson nee mcdonald. Her age at death ties in though. She may have remarried but I can,t find any details of that or any information on her death about a second husband. Tried to access the Globe and Mail but couldn't work it out.
She died in march 1967 age 88.
Regards Gerry
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Do you have a date in March? I have searched the Globe and Mail paper and the Toronto Star using the name McKinlay...but no luck. I will have to look by date.
RK
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Not sure if you have the marriage from scotlandspeople?
JAMIESON JAMES & MCDONALD ANNIE 1897
570/ 19 Lochwinnoch
Annie
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Not sure what info. you have on the Scotland side (not stated)?
1911 all Census Reference 570/ 6/ 3 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew
Viewing the original on scotlandspeople will show relationships
All surname Jamieson
William 39
William 31
James 28
Annie 38
Minnie 21
James 18
Annie 16
Robert 13
Maggie 11
Mary 6
Jeanie 4
Annie
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Ann McKinlay was interred on March 18 1967 at Mount Pleasant cemetery in Toronto. Can,t confirm yet if she is mother of Elizabeth brake, nee jamieson. Don,t know her date of death. A few days earlier maybe?. Born 1879 in Glasgow . Parents Hugh McDonald and Agnes Bertram.
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Rosinish,
right marriage, but wrong family on 1911 census. Lots of Jamieson,s in Lochwinnoch then.
Regards Gerry
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wrong family on 1911 census
Will do another search of the index ;)
What info. was on the marriage of James & Annie 1897 (including witnesses)?
Not sure if have any of this?
1901
James Jamieson 28 (c 1873) Head, Couch Maker Wood, b Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Annie Jamieson 22 (c 1879), Spouse, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Agnes 3 (c 1898) Dau b Lochwinnoch
Elizabeth 2 (c 1899) ditto
Hugh 1 mo (1901) ditto
Possible Births;
JAMIESON AGNES SHARP BER (Probably Bertram)? 1897
570/ 91 Lochwinnoch
JAMIESON ELIZABETH T BRO (Possibly Brown)? 1898
570/ 64 Lochwinnoch
JAMIESON HUGH MCDONALD 1901
570/ 49 Lochwinnoch
Annie
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Ann McKinlay was interred on March 18 1967 at Mount Pleasant cemetery in Toronto. Can,t confirm yet if she is mother of Elizabeth brake, nee jamieson. Don,t know her date of death. A few days earlier maybe?. Born 1879 in Glasgow . Parents Hugh McDonald and Agnes Bertram.
I had a look in the Star and Globe obits from March 10 1967 to March 21 1967. I didn't see an obituary for Ann. Perhaps there isn't one? Unless she died somewhere else, but was buried in Mount Pleasant??
RK
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Marriage;
MCDONALD HUGH & BERTRAM AGNES 1876
644/11 126 Hutchesontown
There are a few births with name Annie M(a)cDonald in Lanarkshire area although none specify Glasgow or Hutchesontown for the dates I used 1878 – 1880
Annie
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Rosinish,
children are Agnes sharp bertram jamieson; elizabeth Thompson brodie jamieson , Hugh Mcdonald jamieson. Three more after Hugh.
Witnesses on wedding look like Lizzy Beldrami? And Jessie Jamieson.
Gerry
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Rosinish, I could not find hard evidence if annies birth date or place. Only from census. Family always lived in Glasgow. Possibly not recored. My main problem is finding if she remarried in canada to a Mr mckinlay. Or is Ann mckinlay in plot with elizabeth and Ken someone else.
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Thanks Gerry!
I think the witness Lizzie is likely Bertram?
I think I may have narrowed down the birth for Annie & this looks a good possible?
MACDONALD ANNIE 1879
646/2 319 Govan
It's quite possible Annie didn't marry Mr McKinlay but lived with him as if married as you did mention her husband & some kids were in Scotland?
Annie
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Found out that my great grandmother may have been interred in same plot as her daughter elizabeth brake and her husband. Problem is that the name in plot is Ann mckinlay. My g grandmother ,s name was annie jamieson nee mcdonald. Her age at death ties in though. She may have remarried but I can,t find any details of that or any information on her death about a second husband. Tried to access the Globe and Mail but couldn't work it out.
She died in march 1967 age 88.
Regards Gerry
If you have the DC, who was the informant, did it state she was married to anyone, or what her status was, what was her address at time of death?
It may be an idea to look for an obituary under Jamieson or McDonald if this hasn't already been done?
Everything does point to Ann McKinlay being Annie.
Is there a way of finding out who owned the plot, their address etc?
Just thoughts?
Annie
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Hi Rosinish , I Don, t have death cert. Haven't looked for death details of Ann with other names, Annie jamieson nee Mcdonald. Not sure were to look.
The plot owner will be or would have been rIchard kenneth brake or his wife elizabeth brake. Both interred in plot. Last address 8 Nesbitt drive , East York, toronto, ON MAW 2GR.
Regards Gerry.
Birth for Annie looks good. Did you get that in Scotland, s People. Witness surname could be Lizzie Bertram. Or Beltrami. I Don, t have a Lizzie Bertram in family tree.
Gerry
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Indeed Gerry, the birth is on SP but it's only an educated guess with Govan as I noted the parents' marriage was in Hutchesontown which comes under Gorbals & the Valuation Rolls state a Parish 'Govan & Gorbals', a long way round for a shortcut! ;D
I wouldn't imagine anyone else other than Annie to be in that grave.
Is it possible to post a snip with witnesses names & some surrounding words for letter comparison?
Annie
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Hi Rosinish, found out Ann McKinley in Canada date of birth was 12 July 1878. Was inscribed on small headstone at grave. She died 20 Dec 1966. Does that DOB tie in with any you found on SP for a Annie Mcdonald? .
Regards Gerry
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There are no births for a (name beginning with) Ann which would include Annie in 'Glasgow' 1878 with surname McDonald (fuzzy matching option) for Glasgow specifically although there's a few in the Glasgow areas of Lanarkshire.
It may be worth checking some of those out via credits on scotlandspeople?
I couldn't find her on the 1881 census with correct parents although I found a few possibles but nothing definite i.e. I'm wondering if Annie was illegitimate although using her paternal surname which was a common occurrence?
Annie
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Hi Rosinish, They are on the 1881 census, parents Hugh, Agnes, children Maggie, b 1876 Annie , b 1878 and John b 1879. Another six children after John. They lived in Kinning Park , Glasgow.
Glasgow was always considered as in Lanarkshire.
There are a few Annie McDonalds born 1878, on SP, opened a few but can't find the correct parents for my Annie.
Regards Gerry
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Good evening
This post got shared in my post as it seems we are looking for the same people
If you want to compare notes let me know
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Hi Welly07 which family are you interested in. The Glasgow McDonald's or Annie Jamieson nee McDonald in Canada.
Regards Gerry
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Hi gerry
All of the above Annie was my g g grandmother
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Hi That's interesting. . She was my g grandmother. What branch of the family are you from. Did you know much of her life in Canada. ?
I knew nothing about her life. Never spoken about in my family. I discovered her while researching my family tree around 15 to 20 years ago. But, haven't found out much about when she left her family to go to North America or what she did there.
Regards Gerry
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I having a guess I might know how we might be connected possibly. You may or may not be the nephew of my grandad. I could be completely wrong here.
Just littler snippets , first I heard of family going to canada was when my grandad was left money by his aunt that would of been late 80s early 90s maybe who lived in canada and passed.
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Was your grandad Glen Scott. ?
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Yes, yes he was.
Was I right about the connection ?
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Nearly right. Glen was always thought to be my mother's brother, therefore my uncle. But found out later in life he was my mother's cousin. His mother, my Grans sister, died giving birth to Glen so he was brought up by my Gran and Grandpa, my mother's parents. We were in fact 1st cousins once removed.
You are from South Wales. I was in contact with someone from your family a few years ago.
Regards Gerry
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Yeah iv always known but dint know how I did , possibly over hearing conversations when I was younger.
I know nothing about his cousins/siblings or that generation.
If you'd happy to I'd live to get some information from you ?
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Hi Glen's mother was Maggie Jamieson b Lochwinnoch 8 April 1909. Died 1933.
She had 3 sisters, Agnes Jamieson who married David Scott. They adopted Glen. Elizabeth Jamieson she married Ken Brake in Canada. She left the money in her will.
Mary(May) Jamieson married John Benson.
A brother John who died aged 3.
Another brother Hugh Jamieson. He went to Canada. No knowledge of him.
Gerry
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I made a post on here because I was looking for Annie and Hugh, there's a bit of info on there. Maybe some to add to your search .
It's under family mystery.
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Possible marriage for Hugh….
Hugh MacDonald Jamieson age 36 Cabinet Maker born Scotland
Address 197 Dovercourt Road Toronto Ontario
Father James Jamieson born Scotland
Mother Ann MacDonald
To
Elizabeth Kerr Semple age 32 Office Clerk of Edmonton Alberta.
At
Toronto 09 April 1937
The image with more info can be found on Ancestry. It should also be available on the familysearch website (free), I think.
PB
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Thanks PB Ann or Annie Mcdonald married name Jamieson is a mystery not much known of her after she went to Canada and left family in Scotland. She did meet or stay with her daughter Elizabeth Brake in Toronto some time before she died. On Elizabeth s grave plot in Toronto there is a small stone with the name Ann McKinley. Died 1966. I wonder if she us Ann Mcdonald. Maybe remarried. ?
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Hi Welly 07, read your posts on family mysteries. Interesting info on Hugh Jamieson and his marriage. I found some old family photos and post cards when my mum died and it might indicate that Hugh had a son called John a possible cousin of Glen's.
No knowledge of Glen's fathers side, but on his mother's he had 4 cousins.
Anna(Annie) Scott, Peter Scott and Elizabeth Scott.
Also Martin Benson. He was an artist and lived in Denmark with his Danish family.
Regards Gerry
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Thanks PB Ann or Annie Mcdonald married name Jamieson is a mystery not much known of her after she went to Canada and left family in Scotland. She did meet or stay with her daughter Elizabeth Brake in Toronto some time before she died. On Elizabeth s grave plot in Toronto there is a small stone with the name Ann McKinley. Died 1966. I wonder if she us Ann Mcdonald. Maybe remarried. ?
See your other thread with the information eileenwilson and Run Kitty found for you :- reply 20 shows the marriage of Ann McDonald (she uses her mothers maiden name Bertram, perhaps to hide the fact she was already married in Scotland to James Jamieson)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=881660.18
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Thanks again Sandra looks like Annie Jamieson nee Mcdonald married McKinlay while still married to James Jamieson. Looks like Bigamy.
I wonder if Annie and McKinlay were in a relationship in Lochwinnoch and both decided to leave for Canada. Annie left a husband and 5 children under 15 to go away. Families eh.
Regards Gerry