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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Denise Rudge on Monday 13 August 18 19:28 BST (UK)
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Stephen Thomas James Bray born England died Moscow around 1918. His daughter Olga Bray was my grandmother. I was able to fine the name of her father from her marriage certificate but do not know the name of her mother. She married a Harry Yates, born Wentworth, Canada, at The British Church of St Andrews, Moscow. I have no idea how Harry got to Russia or what he did. Olga died 1959 in Birmingham. My parents divorced and just researching my Russian relatives. My father Stephen was born in Leicester - his parents married 26th Jan 1909 and he was born 24th December 1909.
Look forward to hearing anyone.
Denise
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Olga was born 1890 from her death information?
Do you know Stephen's occupation?
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This shows on Ancestry:
Stephen-Thomas James Bray
Marital Status: Married age 63 (1855) died 16th August 1918 at Moscow, Russia
Spouse: Marie Bray
FHL Film Number: 1494340 Reference ID: p 7 no 50
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Births March quarter 1855
Stephen Thomas James Bray Lewisham 1d 642
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Stephen was an engineer, according to his death record (British Consulate, Moscow).
Died 16 August 1918 at Nevsky Stearine Works, 8 Soltykovskaia, Moscow, aged 63 (his residence at the time).
Imformant: Marie Bray, widow, 8 Soltykovskaia, Moscow.
Death registered: 28 August 1918 by the Swedish Consul-General in charge of British interests.
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Marriage of parents
Marriages Mar 1854
William Thomas George Bray Elham
Eliza Maria Gatland Elham
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Does anyone know the last name of Maria Bray - I mean her maiden name. The info is so helpful as now know when he actually died. I have his parents and his brothers and their name of who they married. I understand had Olga had at least two sisters - I can remember my mother say she had met them - I believe one them was named Maria.
Thank everyone for your quick replies and all so helpful.
Denise
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Harry Yates was an engineer and at one time he owned, I believe, a ball bearing factory. I believe someone in the Bray family owned a fur business. Harry could have been working for Stephen Thomas James Bray.
Denise
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Stephen is in at least 3 trees on Ancestry - have you been in contact with the tree owners?
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A tree claims this for Harry:
Marriages December quarter 1931
Gunda Bonnet W.Bromwich 6b 1819
Harry Yates W.Bromwich 6b 1819
also this:
https://canadianheadstones.com/view?id=812123
Added:
Sorry, your tree.........
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Yes - have actually met one lady, lovely person, but her connection is that the Bray was her stepfather and had the same info I had. It was a connection from Canada that suggested I obtain Olga's divorce papers. I am pleased I as among the papers was the marriage certificate. I have tried Ancestry and find it very interesting as they always state there are no records of Olga etc. I have a tree on Ancestry if you wish to have a look. I even put the date and where they were married and still can back - no records at all. I have birth records of the children of Stephen's brothers - all very odd if you ask me. I did type in - Yahoo - Brays of Moscow and turns out the Brays are still operating a ball bearing factory in Moscow. I find the whole Bray saga interesting and wondering why Olga appears to be a no, no. Perhaps Stephen is her father but Maria not her mother!!!! I have tried the American branch, where many of them ended up after 1917, but none have replied. I have had tea at the Russian Tea Room in New York, but, then had no idea that a Bray worked there for a while after 1917. I look forward to hearing from you as to why Ancestry doesn't appear to acknowledge that Olga even existed.
Denise
my tree is under Haynes
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I look forward to hearing from you as to why Ancestry doesn't appear to acknowledge that Olga even existed.
Do you mean in the records or in a family tree?
Family trees are submitted so it really just depends on whatever details a tree owner knows, has found so far or even wishes to include. My only Ancestry tree consists of my great-aunt and her rather famous husband because I don't wish to show anything else but I certainly have lots more details and would exchange more information with relatives who make contact.
As far as record go it depends on what in in their database and if the details are there in the first place. For example, if Olga was born in Russia to a British father then she might appear in U.K. overseas births- if her father registered her birth with the British authorities. If her birth wasn't registered then she won't be listed.
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Trees are fine - I know what you mean about records. I have their wedding certificate but haven't put in my tree as fedup with people putting things on their tree but when I ask how we are connected - even saying I have no need to view their tree just wondering about the connection and they are not decent enough to reply. I have had fantastic help from so many people regarding all the families on my tree - and when asked I have scanned documents to them. The most helpful have been the Haynes, Saxton, and the Yates side of the family. I have used Kew for information and they have been great. Anyway will not ramble on any further. Take care.
Denise
There are photos of my father Stephen Yates on my tree.