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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: sallyyorks on Monday 06 August 18 23:11 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find the connection between a group of brothers or cousins who worked in both Birmingham and London at gun making and metal refining/reclaiming. Some born in Birmingham and some in London. It's also complicated by their unusual surname because it is often mistranscribed.
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Edward & Joseph Brueton - Gun Makers
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715625.msg5592790#msg5592790
Edward (born about 1787 in Shoreditch but lives Birmingham) and Joseph Brueton (born about 1789 in Darlaston but also moves to Birmingham)
An Edward and Joseph are both in business together in Birmingham in 1858 at 22 Sheep Street - gun finisher/gun breech maker (trade directory, more in link to other topic). I have all the census info for Joseph and wife Phoebe
Edward is on the 1851 census
202 Heneage Street
Birmingham
Edward Bructon (Brueton) b 1787 Shoreditch , London - gun finisher
Elizabeth (nee Cooper) b 1795 Birmingham
Rubin 1831 Birmingham - gun finisher
Hariet 1833 Birmingham
John 1835 Birmingham
Lodgers
Sampson Tims (Sims) 1824 Warwickshire - refiner in gold (Edwards son in law)
Elizabeth 1831 (nee Brueton)
William 1846
Thomas 1 month
Nearby on the same census at Moland Street is
Thomas Brueton b 1791 London, Middlesex (coincidence?) - gold watch hand maker
Ann wife
Moland Street is close to the area where both Edward, Joseph and their family lived or had businesses. I have a lot of info on Joseph but not Edward, or how they are related
I did think this below was Edward (b 1787) but am confused about his date of birth and it looks like he was born before the marriage
St leonards, Shoreditch
Edward Brueton son of
Edward Brueton and Margaret
Bapt 12th June 1791
Born 6th Nov 1791 :o
Marriage
St Dunstan, Stepney
26th May 1795
Edward Brueton to Margaret Tuslin (possibly Tustin?)
Also there are two Edwards in London on the 1841 census, I think both addresses could be a workhouse or some kind of institution?
Ironmonger Row, St Luke, Middlesex,
Edward Brueton age 65/69
Margaret Brueton age 55/59
Gough Street, St Pancras
Edward Brueton 60/64
Ann Brueton (nee hackett?)
There is also a Brueton 'broach maker' on the early census, I think with a Margaret, but sorry I don't have that info at the moment, it's just from memory
There was a Thomas Brueton who was a senior gun maker in the mid 1700's, his name is stamped on some pistols, but we haven't worked out the connection yet or whether he was based in Birmingham or London or both.
Any info or help unravelling them is appreciated
Thanks
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....also forgot to add. Edward (1851 Census, Henegae Street, Birmingham) had two sons, George and William, who were involved in gun robberies at a gun factory in Birmingham and arrested in Nov 1857. It seems the stolen factory 'small arms' were being dismantled, names/numbers filed off and then rebuilt to be sold as 'Brueton' guns
In the court evidence/newspapers it states that 'Met' police from London had spied on the family business in Birmingham as part of their investigations.
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Sorry, I can't take you back any further, but
Brueton is mentioned several times in the Grace's Guide to British Industrial History.
for instance, clicking on a couple of links on the below webpage showed these two items :
* J Brueton mentioned in the 1849 Directory: Listed as White Smiths and Job Smiths ( a whitesmith usually meant a silversmith and a jobsmith usually meant it would consider working with any metal).
* Brueton Fowler. Gillott made the Waverley Pens until the mid 1870s, (illustration of pen nib)
https://gracesguide.co.uk/Special:Search?search=Brueton&fulltext=
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Sorry, I can't take you back any further, but
Brueton is mentioned several times in the Grace's Guide to British Industrial History.
for instance, clicking on a couple of links on the below webpage showed these two items :
* J Brueton mentioned in the 1849 Directory: Listed as White Smiths and Job Smiths ( a whitesmith usually meant a silversmith and a jobsmith usually meant it would consider working with any metal).
* Brueton Fowler. Gillott made the Waverley Pens until the mid 1870s, (illustration of pen nib)
https://gracesguide.co.uk/Special:Search?search=Brueton&fulltext=
Thanks Rena, that looks like a good lead :)
One of Josephs sons is also listed as a 'whitesmith' on a census in Birmingham
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The Thomas Breuton who is listed in a directory 1770 Warwickshire as a gun maker, died 16 October 1799.
Ref: Index to death duty registers.
So there is a will somewhere in Warwickshire, if he named relatives, you could work forward and see what you find.
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For those looking 1841 census shows name variation Broughton
3 Northampton Court, Northampton Street, Aston
Edward Broughton 55 Gun Finisher not born in county
Elizabeth 56
William 20
George 14
Reuben 11
Eliza 11
Harriet 7
John 5
wife and children all born in county
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When Edward Brueton married Elizabeth Cooper at St Mary's Handsworth 28 December 1812
Witness Thomas Brueton, Mary Ann ?
Edward and Thomas signed the register.
Are you thinking this is the Thomas born 1791 in Shoreditch?
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Edward Breuton died 18 June 1857 and is buried St Peter and St Paul churchyard.
Can also be found on Find a grave
civil registration has the name Edward Brueten age 68 death recorded Aston 1857.
ADDED this would give birth date circa 1789
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Thank you so much amondg. This is great info!
I am at work at the moment but will reply in more detail as soon as I can.
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Children of Edward and Elizabeth Brueton (found so far)
Elizabeth born 6 March 1814
Edward born 1816 buried St Martin's 7 July 1818 age 2
Edward born 18 September 1818
William born 22 April 1821
Maria born 25 October 1823
? possible another child 1825
George born 7 October 1827
Reuben born 4 May 1830
Eliza born 4 May 1830 (twins)
Harriet born 8 January 1833
John born 18 September 1835
Father is a gun finisher on all records, the address Stanforth/Staniforth Street.
It doesn't help when Joseph, Thomas and Edward have children with the same names
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This is what we have for children of Joseph (1789) and Phoebe (nee Perry).
Thomas 1811
Joseph 1813/16?
Mary 1815
Elijah 1818
Theophilus 1820 (this name is passed down*)
Henry 1823
Charles 1826
John 1829
The older ones were born Darlaston, Staffs. They are in Birmingham by 1841.
Birmingham
Joseph junior (b 1813) is at Sheep Street in 1861 (gun breech forger) and was in the trade directory 1858 with an Edward at the same address (Sheep St) . So that Edward is more likely to be Edward junior (1818) than senior, if senior Edward died in 1857. The same generation as Joseph (1813) junior his business partner. Interesting that Edwards sons were arrested (November) after he had died (June). 'Staniforth St" crops up a lot and is mentioned at the trial, also 'the wharf' is mentioned
Not sure about the Shoreditch Thomas.
Edward born Shoreditch was a great clue because it took us to London where there are other metal working Bruetons and also the other Bruetons in Birmingham but also born in London
Yes the Thomas gun maker 1770 is the owner of the business we believe. Gun makers assembled the parts. Each part having been made seperately
* The passed down name Theophilus is interesting because there is a Theophilus Bruerton in London in the 17th century.
Again thanks for help
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Edit to my last post
The London record for a Theophilus Bruerton is the 16th century not the 17th . No proof that he is related but it is such an unusual name and it was passed down in the family
Theophilus Bruerton
Christening Date 06 Oct 1574
Christening Place ST LAWRENCE JEWRY AND ST MARY MAGDALENE MILK STRLON,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
There is also a burial for a metal worker in Staffs, who may have been itinerant
19th June 1626 Milwich/Codsall, Staffs
William Bruerton the 'Tynker' (Tinker)
But this is way back and again, as yet no proof of a connection.
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I've never heard of the Brueton surname before and when I saw the latest post with the spelling of Bruerton, I wondered if you'd seen this webpage:-
"Supplement to: Sir George Carew's Scroll of Arms
Although the common law courts in Great Britain do not regard coats of arms as either property or as being defensible by legal action, armorial bearings are a form of property nevertheless, generally described as insignia of gentility. Armorial bearings according to the Law of Arms are incorporeal and impartible hereditaments, inalienable, and descendable. "
Bruerton arms
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Holland1900
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Hi again Rena, and thank you for the link, I hadn't seen a coat of arms mentioned before. I must admit it would be nice to find some posh Bruetons/Bruertons ;D in the line, if only because they would have left more records
Yes it's an unusual name and we have seen it spelt so many different ways on the records. It seems to be spelt more with the extra 'R' in Staffordshire, but in Birmingham it often seems to be just Brueton.
I don't recall seeing any of the sons of Joseph signing their name, Elijah 1818 is my line, they just seemed to sign with a X at marriage until the mid/late 19th century. I don't think many of them were literate before that.
I found this info on a Birmingham history forum about T Brueton gun maker.
http://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/gun-making.30733/
?-1756 - takes an apprentice called William Spittle
1770-75 - Thomas Brueton, Gun Maker, 93 High St Birmingham
1776 - Thomas Brueton, Gun Maker, Coleshill St Birmingham
1777-? - Thomas Brueton, Gun Maker, 5 Prospect Row Birmingham
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[...]Edward (born about 1787 in Shoreditch but lives Birmingham)
[...]Edward is on the 1851 census
202 Heneage Street
Birmingham
Edward Bructon (Brueton) b 1787 Shoreditch , London - gun finisher
[...]I did think this below was Edward (b 1787) but am confused about his date of birth and it looks like he was born before the marriage
St leonards, Shoreditch
Edward Brueton son of
Edward Brueton and Margaret
Bapt 12th June 1791
Born 6th Nov 1791 :o
[...]Marriage
St Dunstan, Stepney
26th May 1795
Edward Brueton to Margaret Tuslin (possibly Tustin?)
Thinking about this again. The birth date for the christening on the 12th June is obviously mistranscribed. I wonder if the original entry for the birth is the year 1787 instead of 1791?
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Will of Thomas Brueton who died 1799
A typed transcription is on a tree -ancestry.
Written 4 March 1797 probate October 1799
wife Catherine
Brothers Samuel and Edward
son in law William Wheelwright
grandsons William and Thomas Wheelwright
niece Elizabeth wife of George Clarkson
Dorithy widow of Samuel
widow of Edward (no name given)
Ann widow of John Brueton
niece Ann Douse
cousin John Newy
pallbearers Richard Newy and Daniel Stephens who are 1st cousins, there are 6 pall bearers the others are friends.
Children of brother Edward
Elizabeth (so not Elizabeth Clarkson)
Rebecca
Edward
Thomas
Properties given are mentioned, the original would be best in case the typed one missed something.
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I'm not sure I agree that Edward junior is the man at Sheep Street 1858. The information is gathered well in advance of publishing, and in those days the type was handset.
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Will of Thomas Brueton who died 1799
A typed transcription is on a tree -ancestry.
Written 4 March 1797 probate October 1799
wife Catherine
Brothers Samuel and Edward
son in law William Wheelwright
grandsons William and Thomas Wheelwright
niece Elizabeth wife of George Clarkson
Dorithy widow of Samuel
widow of Edward (no name given)
Ann widow of John Brueton
niece Ann Douse
cousin John Newy
pallbearers Richard Newy and Daniel Stephens who are 1st cousins, there are 6 pall bearers the others are friends.
Children of brother Edward
Elizabeth (so not Elizabeth Clarkson)
Rebecca
Edward
Thomas
Properties given are mentioned, the original would be best in case the typed one missed something.
Great find!
It's funny but I remember looking at some of these names years ago, especially Dorithy for some reason
Samuel Brueton
Spouse's Name Dorothy Bradnock
Event Date -01 Jan 1744
Event Place- Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Samuel Bruton
Spouse's Name Elisabeth Newey
Event Date 27 Apr 1725
Event Place Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England
According to family, the Neweys and the Bruetons knew each other for many generations. Josephs son Elijah (b 1818) married Mary Ann Newey (1845).
Mary Anns great grandmother was a Tustin (this is why I mentioned in my first post that Margaret 'Tuslin', who married an Edward in Stepney 1795, might be a 'Tustin' (or variant).
Jonathan Newey
Spouse's Name Mary Teston
Event Date 27 Jul 1747
Event Place Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England
So Thomas (gun maker) had at least two brothers Edward and Samuel. I wonder who 'John' (wife Ann) is, it looks like he had a son Edward too! ;D
Great going and lots to look into now
Thank you
Added, yes agree about the 1858 trade directory Edward at Sheep St, could be the father Edward
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There is this marriage by license to a 'Catherine' but it's saying they are both 21 born in 1762. Might it mean over the age of 21?
It seems strange that they are both the same age AND both widowed at such a young age.
Thomas the chief gun maker, who has his name stamped on the pistols, is much older than this I would have thought.
Thomas Brueton
Marriage by License, 29 January 1783
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom
Age 21
Marital Status Widow
Occupation Gun Maker
Spouse's Name Catharine Bisset
Spouse's Residence County Warwick
Spouse's Age 21
Spouse's Marital Status Widow
Spouse's Birth Year 1762
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Hi Sally
I am descended from the Brueton gun makers too.
The family history, as you have noted, is extremely convoluted and difficult to research because of the name, the fact that they called their children similar names and all seem to be involved in the gun business for several generations.
I have made some attempts and this is what I have got so far:
Edward Brueton ~1788
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/14076806/person/342265130165/facts
Thomas Brueton (The principle gun maker) ~1728
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/14076806/person/516184805/facts
Elijah Brueton ~1818
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/14076806/person/342359331970/facts
Hope it helps!
Aidan
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Hi Aidan. Sorry I haven't replied earlier. Thanks so much for your reply. Sorry but I'm not signed up to ancestry at the moment, so I can't view your links.
I would message you, but you need to make two more replies on the forums before I can do that. Due to site rules.
All the best
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Gday, I am a newby.... Have some info on the Brueton Family... My 3 x g father John Venables married for the 2nd time 1848 Maria Brueton daughhter of Edward b1787 wife Elizabeth Cooper Aston Juxta. Maria lived in 202 Heneage St. and John Venables also lived in the same St. If youi are interested can supply further info. I live in Australia.
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Gday, I am a newby.... Have some info on the Brueton Family... My 3 x g father John Venables married for the 2nd time 1848 Maria Brueton daughhter of Edward b1787 wife Elizabeth Cooper Aston Juxta. Maria lived in 202 Heneage St. and John Venables also lived in the same St. If youi are interested can supply further info. I live in Australia.
Hi there gwv and g'day. Thanks for your reply. My Bruetons also lived at Heneage St. Do you know anything about Edwards parents or siblings?
All the best
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Here is what I have:
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Thanks reply... cant add much as to the early Bruetons. Maria's brothers George and William in 1857 were arrested for robbery and sentenced to 4 years jail in Woking. Maria nursed Johns wife Elizabeth Jones1802-1847 and sat the children while John worked in the Saltley Railways. Maria died 1864 aged 42 in Peachey Belt, South Australia from Dropsy. She had Caroline (born at sea) Alfred (died aged 1, Richard and Mary Jane died aged 11 from burns suffered on standing too close... and died 10 weeks later. Sorry i cant add to your line but thought you may be interested in the Australian connection. no photos available.