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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: ray b on Monday 06 August 18 20:16 BST (UK)
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Good evening all
Hope you can help with the dray family
David Dray 1846 wed Kate Back 1847 in Challock Lees 1871
I have children
Arthur 1866? born Challock
Rose ann 1873 british subject of American extraction?
George 1877 british subject of American extraction?
Thomas 1879 challock
Can anyone work out how an ag lab can afford to go to America between the 1871 and the 1881 English census. As far as I can work out he returned to being an ag lab so no fortune made.also how do I find out where in America the two children were born.
yours hopefully
rayb
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DRAY, THOMAS RICHARD BACK 1879 J Quarter in EAST ASHFORD Volume 02A Page 723
BACK, ARTHUR WILLIAM - 1865 S Quarter in EAST ASHFORD Volume 02A Page 589
1871 census (before the marriage) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8G-265
searched any shipping/immigration records?
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Hi Pauline J
Thank you for the reply I have tried searching for the journeys there and back but did not get on very well although this was about 5 years ago and have just returned to this family. I cannot help but wonder how he afforded the fares as an ag lab was there some scheme for emigrating that helped them. you give Thomas and Arthurs birth reg and while I do have these I tend to put more faith in the church records as I feel that most families may have been keener to baptise nearer the birth and register when convenient. And on some records the vicar has given birthdate.
rayb
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Frustratingly this family were not in America for any census (1870 or 1880).
I haven't been able to find any baptisms on Familysearch.
Nor can I see a likely immigration record for them.
Some parishes sponsored families to emigrate especially if it was they were likely to become chargeable to the parish. I think this was more likely earlier in the nineteenth century. You could try looking in the parish chest records. He would have needed to pay for his passage home.
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I think I've found them on the Castle Garden website :
David Dray 26 labourer passage paid by : self
Kate Dray 25
Arthur Dray 5
arrived 3 Jun 1872 from Glasgow on the ship Columbia
http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=1141887
( the above link is to David Dray , but you can search for each name )
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Whitstable Times & Herne Bay Herald 11 May 1878
Elizabeth Coulthard , alias Ann Wills , 15 , was charged with stealing a quantity of infant's apparel and other items worth 20s. , the property of David Dray of Chilham . Kate Dray , wife of the prosecutor , deposed that on Tuesday April 23rd items were taken from a trunk....
They were back in England by April 23 1878 . There are no records of returning voyages at that date.
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That's great information. ;D
I wonder why they went from Glasgow? Gravesend, Southampton, Liverpool and others were all much nearer.
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thank you all very much
Glasgow why, now all I need to find are baptisms.
you are geniuses all
thank you
rayb
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Just stumbled across this and had the same question. My great-grandfather was Job Back (b.1854), who is Kate Back's brother. My grandfather's family arrived in Philadelphia in the early 1900's. Kate's child, Arthur, is listed with the Back family in the 1871 census in England. The research leads me to believe that she then married David Dray and they had three children, but I can't account for the "British Subject, America" for Rose and George.
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Found a baptism for George Francis Dray, Son of David and Kate.
Born 28 Nov 1876
Baptised 27 Mar 1891
at Westwell, St Mary's Kent
Source Parish record
Found his Death Chatham 1971 Source FindMyPast
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Hello Catamaran
on the 1881 census the family are living in ospringe parish kent rose and George are down as born in America. the description of british subject American appears in later records I believe it is on the marriage cert to a harry boughton 24/12/1895 wye kent. Grandarog you are marvellous I made the assumption that they were baptised abroad smacked wrist for me.
Catamaran is there any way you could find a baptism for rose if she was baptised at all, you say your grandfather arrived in Philadelphia in the early 1900s do you mean that this is when migrated.
rayb
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Rose Ann Dray - Married - Harry Broughton. At Wye, St Martins and St Gregory Church. Nothing referring to America. Both of Wye Parish.
Christmas Eve 1895.
There is a Baptism for an Alice Broughton at St Clement Danes on 26 April 1901.
But ,big, but. There is only the parents Surname no Christian names.
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Hello again
harry and rose had no children a near relative of theirs who remembered visiting them them over some years confirmed this
rayb
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Ray B,
I was incorrect in my first posting. The Backs emigrated from England to the US in 1895 when my grandfather (William) was 4 y.o. The were sponsored by my great-grandmother's relative (a Glazebrook from Rodmell in Sussex). Our last name was changed to Beck. My great-grandfather was Kate's younger brother. He worked as a victualer in the Half Moon Pub in Kent, and for some reason according to family lore, was thrown off the Constabulary before that.
Kate and her son, Arthur, are listed on the 1871 census as part of her parent's household, but Arthur is listed as 5 y.o. although he would have been born around that time so the record seems erroneous. Her marriage banns to David Dray were posted that year, as well.
Thank you for info provided.