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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: aking65 on Saturday 04 August 18 00:08 BST (UK)
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Hello all, I know there are a lot of posts on the Jolly's, but I am looking for information on an Alexander JOLLY born 1827 in Mairn of Brotherton, Kincardine. This is the place of birth given on his Masters Certificate of Competency.(issued 1872). I have his death in 1889 in South Shields.
He married Catherine ALMOND in 1856 in Northumberland and later Ann DEW in 1875 in South Shields.
Any info or links would much appreciated.
Adam
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Welcome to rootschat, Adam.
What was his Father's name on his marriage certificate?
Have you found him in all the censuses?
I have done a google search for Mairn of Brotherton, Kincardine - where do you think it is - just Kincardine or Brotherton?
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Quote from Wiki:
Brotherton Castle is in the parish of Benholm and the county of Kincardineshire.
Possible birth?
Alexander Jolly William Jolly/Jean Cowie
07/04/1826
253/ 30 30
Benholm
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Have you been in contact with those who have him in their trees on Ancestry?
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There is a brother for Alexander - William born 1832, so possible family in 1841
living at Mains Brothertow
William Jolly 55 born Kincardineshire, Scotland Ag Lab
Jane Dowie 50
William Jolly 9
Jane Blacklaws 6
Parish: Benholm;
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That family in 1851
At Mains Of Brotherton
William Jolly 68
Jene Jolly 59 Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Jane Blacklaws 15 Granddaughter Benholm, Kincardineshire
William Jolly 8 grandson Montrose, Forfarshire
To stop me duplicating information that you already have, could you just say if you have his birth, parents' marriage etc etc, as they look fairly obvious on scotlandspeople etc.
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Hi chempat, thanks for taking an interest in my post.
Previously, the only info I had was that he was born in Aberdeen in 1827 and have both marriage details.. Yesterday I was given a copy of his Masters Certificate and on the back shows birth date and place of birth.
A search on "Scotlands People" shows two Alexander Jolly's born between 1826 and 1827. I am assuming the one born 7/4/1826 in the Benholm Parish is the one, as it is closer to Brotherton.
I don't have any birth, death or marriage certificates, but have some census info when he was living in Albert Road, Jarrow in 1881.
I will have to keep digging.
Adam
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Apply for marriage certificate to get confirmation of his Father's name - saves searching wrong families.
Added:
you have put:
'have both marriage details.. '
so Father's name?
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First marriage here:-
Marriages Mar 1856
ALMOND Catharine C. Ward 10b 271
Jolly Alexander C Ward 10b 271
Second marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1876
DEW Ann S Shields 10a 833
Jolly Alexander S. Shields 10a 833
If you obtain either or both certificates it will give you his father's name.
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Son here from the first marriage
JOLLY, THOMAS ALMOND ALMOND
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 457
I've found Catharine in the 1871 census with five children living at Crow Tree Terrace, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
Piece number 5005
Folio 6
Page 5
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Thanks for the input. What's the best site to get Cert's? GRO or somewhere else?
Adam
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Always get certs from the GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp
You may need to register if you are not already so. As this is a marriage the certs will cost £9.25
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Family search gives parents as William Jolly and Thomas,
date 7th Jan 1856
Heddon On The Wall
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Jean Blacklaws from the 1841 and 1851 census
Jean Jolly Blacklaws
Christening Date 28th September 1835 at BENHOLM,KINCARDINE,
Birth Date 04th August 1835
Father's Name Francis Blacklaws Mother's Name Ann Jolly
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North and South Shields Gazette and Telegraph
August 5th 1867
Rewards for saving Life at sea,a telescope
To Mr Alexander Jolly,master of the Brig Progress,of Sunderland
in acknowlegement of his humanity to the master and crew of the Clontarf of Sunderland
whom he rescued from the wreck of their vessel,on the 13th January last
another article states he landed them at Modena/Manilla even though his own ship was badly damaged
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later he is onboard the Brigg Asyrian,of Sundeland when it went ablaze in Grimsby
article dated March 21st 1870
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If you haven't viewed it on a map?
https://canmore.org.uk/site/171156/mains-of-brotherton
If you use the zoom out button ( - ) it gives a better view of the area surrounding.
Annie
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Thanks radcliffe. That's awesome!!
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Hi Radcliff. Attached is a photo of a stamp that is on Alexander Jolly's Master Certificate. It indicates the gift of the telescope, but it's great to now know some more details. Thanks again.
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Just putting that 1881 census where he is a grocer:
Alexander Jolly 54 Scotland
Ann Jolly 47 Sunderland
William Jolly 18 Sunderland
Thomas E. Dew 17 step-son newcastle
Eleanor Jolly 16 Sunderland
Catherine Jolly 12 Sunderland
Annie A. Jolly 6 Jarrow
Isabella Murray 20
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Wife and family without him in 1861
Catherine Jolly 31 Master Mariner's wife Gateshead, Durham
Jane Jolly 3 Caris Hill, Durham
Thomas Almond Jolly 1 Monkth, Durham
RG 9; Piece: 3783; Folio: 106 Page: 52
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1881 LDS Census transcription -
White Hill , St Cyrus , Kincardine.
James Smith 72 merchant(tea) born Montrose Forfar
Margaret Smith 66 wife b. St Cyrus Kincardine
Jane Jolly 91 mother in law widow annuitant b. Fordoun Kincardine
Margaret Smith 10 gd daur b. England
Death Jane Jolly(other surname Cowie) , age 92 , 1882 St Cyrus Kincardine(shire).
ev
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The above Margaret's birth
Margaret Jolly
Christened 26th Feb 1815 at Saint Cyrus Kincardine Scotland
Born 19th Feb 1815
Father William Jolly Mother Jane Cowie
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Thanks all,
I have applied for Alexander Jolly and Catherine Almond wedding cert. Hopefully that shows Alexanders parents as William Jolly and Jane or Jean Cowie. Then everything else will fit together.
Adam
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Family search gives parents as William Jolly and Thomas,
date 7th Jan 1856
Heddon On The Wall
Adam, Radcliff has posted main detail from the marriage cert. English marriage certs only give father's name. Hopefully the occupation given for Alexander's father William on his marriage cert will help you link back to all that has been found in Scotland with more confidence.
Monica :)
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Hi,
If you do find a connection back to William Jolly and Jean Cowie I have the DCs for William and most of his siblings ::)
Jen
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Hi Jen,
It's looking very likely that I am on the right track and Alexanders parents are William Jolly and Jean Cowie.
I would love to get a look at those DC's. Could you forward them to (*) please.
Regards Adam
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Adam,
I've sent the certificates you might want to remove your email address from this thread ;)
Jen
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Alexander Jolly
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:
Alexander Jolly
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
07 Apr 1826
Christening Place:
BENHOLM,KINCARDINE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:
William Jolly
Mother's Name:
Jean Cowie
This is from the Family Search website