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Title: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Niggles on Monday 30 July 18 18:34 BST (UK)

Hi

I'm looking for some help tracing the Manley family in the 1841 and 1851 census. William George (1808-1840) and Mary Manley (1807-1850) had 4 children, Susan Jane (1832-poss died in 1837), John Samuel (1835-1891), William George (1837-1897) and Charles James (1839-1843)

William George snr died before the 1841 census and his address was listed in 1840 as 42 Collingwood Street, Bethnal Green.
Charles James died in 1843 and his address was 3 Pateys Court, Holywell Lane, Shoreditch.

I'm thinking in 1840 with a young family to bring up Mary may have moved out of the area or had to put the children in an orphanage/workhouse

Any help finding Mary, John and William (jnr) in the 1841 census and John and William (jnr) in the 1851 census would be greatly appreciated.

thank you

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 30 July 18 23:31 BST (UK)

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Mary, John and William (jnr) in the 1841 census

What about Charles?  He only died 1843

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: jomcd967 on Tuesday 31 July 18 06:37 BST (UK)

Hi Niggles,

I think this is William George with his grandmother in 1841....
3 West Place, Holywell Lane, Shoreditch.
Mary Jones, 60, weaver, BIC
Susan Jones, 20, machinist?, BIC
John Jones, 15, weaver, BIC
George Manly, 4, BIC.

Jo  :)

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Niggles on Tuesday 31 July 18 21:41 BST (UK)

Thanks Jo

Can you let me know the reference numbers for this entry? I’m still struggling to find them!

Thanks

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 31 July 18 23:06 BST (UK)

It's

HO107 Piece 706 Book 3 Folio 42 Page 25

Have you tried just searching George Manly b 1837 as that's how I found them

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: jomcd967 on Wednesday 01 August 18 01:17 BST (UK)

Thanks Carole  :)

They are in the hackney Workhouse in 1838/1839....
Mary Manley, 29, admitted 28 Nov 1838, discharged 11 Feb 1839
John Manley, 3, ditto
Wm Manley,13mths, ditto.

I assume she was pregnant with Charles James at this time?

A possibility for William George Jr in 1851....
2 George Place St James Square. Class: HO107; Piece: 1485; Folio: 164; Page: 13
William Loyns, 30 french polisher, b. London
William Holby, 25, fish monger, b. London
George Manly, 16, errand boy, b. London.

Jo  :)

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Daonnachd on Wednesday 01 August 18 03:12 BST (UK)

Hi,

there is a William Manley born Shoreditch 1835 living with his aunt and uncle Edward and Eleanor Parry in St Clement Danes - 1851 census. Checked marriage for Edward & Eleanor and her maiden name appeaars to be Canavan. There was a Mary Canavan in the Westminster area around 1820 so perhaps her sister??????

Do you know where Mary was from? Eleanor was from Shropshire.

J Manley Born approx 1832 in Cripplegate in 1851 census is a convict on the Warrior Hulk in Greenwich.

Hope it helps

Lindsey

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Niggles on Wednesday 01 August 18 13:26 BST (UK)

Thanks Lindsey. Mary was very much routed in the East End in the Shoreditch area so I don't think the connection in Westminster is correct.

But thanks for looking

N

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Niggles on Wednesday 01 August 18 13:53 BST (UK)

Quote from: jomcd967 on Wednesday 01 August 18 01:17 BST (UK)

Thanks Carole  :)

They are in the hackney Workhouse in 1838/1839....
Mary Manley, 29, admitted 28 Nov 1838, discharged 11 Feb 1839
John Manley, 3, ditto
Wm Manley,13mths, ditto.

I assume she was pregnant with Charles James at this time?

A possibility for William George Jr in 1851....
2 George Place St James Square. Class: HO107; Piece: 1485; Folio: 164; Page: 13
William Loyns, 30 french polisher, b. London
William Holby, 25, fish monger, b. London
George Manly, 16, errand boy, b. London.

Jo  :)

Thanks Carole and Jo, I'll look these up later tonight. I'm not surprised re the Workhouse submission.

Title: Re: Missing Manley family from 1841 and 1851 census, East London
Post by: Niggles on Wednesday 01 August 18 21:35 BST (UK)

Quote from: Niggles on Wednesday 01 August 18 13:53 BST (UK)

Quote from: jomcd967 on Wednesday 01 August 18 01:17 BST (UK)

Thanks Carole  :)

They are in the hackney Workhouse in 1838/1839....
Mary Manley, 29, admitted 28 Nov 1838, discharged 11 Feb 1839
John Manley, 3, ditto
Wm Manley,13mths, ditto.

I assume she was pregnant with Charles James at this time?

A possibility for William George Jr in 1851....
2 George Place St James Square. Class: HO107; Piece: 1485; Folio: 164; Page: 13
William Loyns, 30 french polisher, b. London
William Holby, 25, fish monger, b. London
George Manly, 16, errand boy, b. London.

Jo  :)

Thanks Carole and Jo, I'll look these up later tonight. I'm not surprised re the Workhouse submission.

Jo - (William) George snr was also in the Workhouse (on the same page) although he was admitted a few days earlier on 10 Nov 1838 but discharged on the same day as the rest of the family, although it says his age was 30 on admission but 31 on discharge even though his birthday is in August

I'm not sure about the entry in St James, seems a bit far to go for a family that stayed in the Shoreditch area and he's not related to the other 2 people