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hi
can some one please do a lookup of the 1861 and 71 census for
William Rafferty b about 1820 Ireland his wife was either Elizabeth or Catherine
thanks
audrey
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RG9/3868 folio 54 pge1.
Stanleys? Placletts?
William Rafferty head age 30 Railway Lab.born Ireland.
Catherine wife age 36 born Ireland.
Ellen dau age 9 born Ireland.
John son age 4 born Hexham.
James son age 2 born Hexham.
James Rafferty bro age 22 railway lab, born Ireland.
Dan Gallager lod age 21 Railway Lab born Ireland.
Will go back and see if I can get a clearer address.
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It could be Starsleys and Plashetts. :)
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1871 RG10/5150 folio 29 pge 28.
Southside Haydon
Catherine Rafferty wife age 48 mar born Ireland.
John son age 14 ag lab born Ireland?
James son age 12 scholar born Hexham.
William Smith vis age 37 musician? born Sheffield.
Mary Smith wife age 33 born Scotland.
Mary dau age 7 born durham.
Robert Clark vis wid age 82 Hawker born Ireland.
There is no sign of William although Catherine is saying married.
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Nessie
thanks for that William not being there does not surprise me
yet to find a census where all the family are together
audrey
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Well give him credit, he was there in 1861 ;D The only William Rafferty of the right age I could find in 1871 was living in Birkenhead. You don't suppose he had 2 homes do you? ;D
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Nessie
by 1881 he was back at the Haydon address but Catherine by now had died in 1879 so maybe he was working away just wish I could find one of the irish births at least I would then know which part of ireland to look
audrey
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Wish I could help Audrey, have just had a look on familysearch, but no joy there.
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Just a wee snippet on Plashetts and a comment in support of William.
Plashetts lay on the River ("North") Tyne, in north-west Northumberland, about 12 miles north west of Bellingham
(the local District Register Office, at the time). Falstone is about 5 miles south-east of Plashetts.
A railway line was built ( 1855-1863) linking Hexham, on the Newcastle-Carlisle line, to Riccarton just over the border in Scotland.
I think part of that line near Plashetts now lies under Kielder Water. A local connecting line was built from Plashetts Station to Plashetts Colliery, to facilitate getting the coal to it's markets... always an issue with the coal industry !
So it seems likely that William dug the cuttings, built the embankments, laid the rails etc from the start of the line at Hexham (John born Hexham, circa 1857... line construction started 1855)., right up to Plashetts, and probably beyond.
The line construction was finished and line opened in 1863.
William then probably moved on to the next railway project.
By 1871 we see his family, but not him, in Haydon Bridge, another station on the Newcastle-Carlisle line ( finished incidentally before 1840, maybe his forebears built that line ! )
It seems likely that he has already moved on to tackle the next project.
Imagine Catherine saying to him when they were in Plashetts..
" Do you have to leave home ? Couldn't you not get a job down the pit at Plashetts Colliery ?"
To read about and see old maps on Plashetts go to
communities.northumberland.gov.uk
Choose "Bellingham" to get idea of that part of the county.
Also see "Falstone" community. Go to "Plans" to see old maps, 1769, 1820, etc.
See also " Printed Material", wherein is Kelly's Trade Directory 1910, which includes a short but good description of the area.
To see photo of Plashetts Colliery and map of that area go to the Durham Mining Museum web site, and choose "Plashetts"
"Sense of Place, North-East" recently published a free postcard, showing Plashett miners cottages in 1910. Looking at it now, I can see how William might have said "no" to the idea of settling in Plashetts. ( Of course it could have been Catherine who encouraged him to move around )
Michael Dixon,
Blyth, Northumberland
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Micheal
thanks for all that info I dig into the history as well as the names and you have saved me a lot of digging and I could never have come up with all that ,it would of taken me weeks
audrey
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Audrey,
I hope I did not give the impression that I knew all that info.
I got it all from the Internet. We are so lucky to have it.
By the way it is usually a frustrating task to find out where in Ireland, our folk came from.
Here's a laugh... my oral history was that my Gallaghers were from Co Mayo. I paid two visits there before I discovered from records that they actually came from Co Sligo.
One tactic is to track all family mambers through all the censuses, hoping that at least one emunerator slipped in a county as well as "Ireland".
I think William's brother, James married Sarah Shaw, born Haltwhistle.
Catherine's death was registered in/at Hexham DRO in December Quarter 1879, aged 53.
On 1891 census in Tanfield (4087-50-1) there is a widowed William Rafferty, 62, lodger, colliery labourer, born Ireland.
No other good candidates for your William. ???
Good Luck
Michael Dixon
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Hello Audrey
My name is Margaret Bishop, nee Welton. William is my great, great Uncle. James the brother mentioned on the 1861 census is my great great Grandfather. I'm trying to find as much information about him as I can. Do you have anything that you can tell me? I would really love it if you had some more photos of them. My family tree is stored on Ancestry. You can have a look if you like.
James did marry Sarah Shaw and thier daughter Nellie (possibly Eleanor or Ellen, we have seen both) married William Welton and they had my grandma Esther Mary Eleanor, who had my dad Joseph.
Cheers
Margaret
PS my husband thinks he found a reference to Co. Down. NI
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Hello Margaret we must be related
James Rafferty and Sarah Shaw were my Great grandparents my grandfather being one of the sons John Thomas Rafferty born 6 may 1885 at Portland Street Newcastle .I have his birth cert .He married Elizabeth Chambers 12 June 1905 they went on to have 14 children my mother being one of them
Audrey
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thank you for your reply. It's really nice and unexpected to find a new relative. I think you must be a cousin, am I right? Do you live in Northumberland? My husband and I are going to visit Woodhorn in the first week in May, it would be nice to meet up and you could meet some other of your cousins.
Do you subscribe to Ancestry? My family tree on there is called The Bishop Family Tree. Please feel free to take a look
Cheers
Margaret :)
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Margaret it was Sarah Shaw's father who came from Co Down
Francis Shaw born 1813 Co Down Married Hannah Williamson she was born Haltwhisle 1819
I believe James Rafferty c 1843 and his brother William Rafferty c 1833 born Cookstown Ireland. no Idea of who the parents were but on marriage they both called their first daughter Ellen It looks like they came to England after 1850 as William appears to have married a Catherine ?there his daughter Ellen was born Ireland 1850 no confirmation outher than 1851 census despite several trips to Ireland
Audrey
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Hello Margaret and Audrey
I too am related too you both, Margaret i have tried to see your tree but i cant, I'm also from james rafferty and sarah shaw line,
kind Regards
A-lady
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Hello A-lady
nice to hear from another Rafferty ,which one of James and Sarah's children are you descending through Ellen ,Francis,Hannah,James,Joseph,John T.[my grandfather]Edward and Mary there was 30 years between the eldest and the young gist I also suspect there was more children who I have never located yet .Margaret has sent for James and Sarah marriage cert So it will confirm there parents we hope
Audrey