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I am attempting torearrange the information I have discovered on my father in law into a more rational format. I intend to post the same information onto the Irish thread here on rootschat and more information about his war experience in the appropriate forum Here is all I know of his early life:
Name: Dominic Michael Stringer
born: 14/4/1919 or 1922. We have not been able to find a birth certificate in spite
of trying every bmd website on line)
Married: Evelyn Genevieve Agard 30/1/1943 Bridgetown Cathedral, Barbados
Died: 11/1986 Tower Hamlets, London
Mother Unknown
Father: John Patrick Stringer
Siblings: Elder brother “Jack” possibly others
He said he was brought up in Maryhill, Glasgow by his grandmother and he had a strong Glaswegian accent. He claimed he was one of twins – other twin and mother died in childbirth. He attended St. Joseph’s primary School and may have attended St. Aloysius College (he claimed he ran away when he found they were trying to make him a priest). Although raised a Catholic he supported Rangers football team. He knew a number for professional Glaswegian boxers and footballers. Other people he knew from Glasgow were John, Mary and Joe Gough. He claimed he got into “trouble” and “Jack” helped him get away from Glasgow (date unknown). In Glasgow he was known as Micky or Michael Stringer.
NOTHING ELSE IS KNOWN ABOUT DOMINIC’S EARLY LIFE.
I am trying to find out how did he get out of Glasgow?
Did he sign on to the Merchant Navy under his brother’s name?
By February1942 he was in Singapore - how did he get there?
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14/4/1919 or 1922. We have not been able to find a birth certificate in spite of trying every bmd website on line)
Because he was born less than 100 years ago, and the Irish birth records are closed for 100 years.
Why not go to https://www.irishgenealogy.ie and look for the birth(s) of (an) elder sibling(s)?
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See previous re this http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751945.msg6003719#msg6003719
Several other threads as well
Isobel
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Why not go to https://www.irishgenealogy.ie and look for the birth(s) of (an) elder sibling(s)?
Sorry Forfarian,
Have tried that too without success
Daisy1942
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Any idea who his grandmother was?
She could be in the 1930/35 Valuations, find her death and you might find him as the informant on the registration.
Don
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Have been having another look at this and pretty convinced there are links to an extended family in Bawnboy,Leitrim.
There is mention in earlier threads of a Francis Stringer age 32, born Ballinamore, Leitrim,who was convicted at Sligo in 1911 and gives a brother Thomas in Glasgow as next of kin. This Thomas married Sarah O’Donnell in Glasgow in 1912. They had a number of children at least one of whom ( Annie Cannon Stringer, died young. Thomas died in Glasgow ( 1217 Gallowgate) in 1964 given as age 81, married to Annie O’Donnell. Parents Francis Stringer, Labourer and Annie Cannon. Pretty sure this is the Thomas Stringer born in 1889 in Bawnboy to Francis Stringer and Ann Cannon. This same Francis was previously married to Maria Cannon and was also the father of Francis ( the convict) who was born in 1878 in Bawnboy. So Thomas and Francis were half brothers. Maria died in 1888 in Bawnboy and I can’t find a subsequent marriage to Ann Cannon, but they had a number of children between 1889 and 1895, however only two of these (Kate born 1894 and Thomas 1889 )seem to have survived childhood. Francis died in Bawnboy in 1900 age 75 and Ann Stringer ( age 40) is living at Lahard, Bawnboy in 1901 with Kate and Thomas.
There has also been mention elsewhere of Francis Stringer born Leitrim 1920 who appears in Merchant Seaman records. Possible link to Francis Stephen Stringer born Bawnboy 1920. I have now found some intriguing news reports of a Francis Stringer age 19 in 1939, born Leitrim who was a soldier with the Royal Irish Fusiliers based in Jersey. See attached news snip from the Belfast Newsletter 24 June 1939. Francis (Frank) had soldier number 7043206 and if you check military records on Findmypast there are various records of him ( and accomplice Brady) being prisoners of war.
There has also been some discussion about John Stringer and wife Alice nee Smyth who were married in 1907. He was the son ( born 1879) of Francis Stringer and Mary Carroll. This is not the same Francis as was married to Maria and Ann Cannon ( this one died in 1886 age 75) but the families all
lived in close proximity to one another and were surely related. John and Alice had some children who are recorded in the records that are currently available. Are they also the parents of Kate born 1917, Francis Stephen born 1920 and Patrick Joseph born 1922 at Bawnboy? Alice Stringer died in 1924 age 47 ( death certificate viewable at irishgenealogy.ie). John Stringer died in 1941.
Not sure how all of this hangs together or even if it is relevant but putting it out there in case others can add to it.
Isobel
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I think I have worked out who Joe Gough and family were. A Patrick Joseph Gough died in Tower Hamlets in 1991 with a birthdate of 29th Jan 1931. This ties in with the birth of a Patrick Joseph Gough in 1931 in Milton, Glasgow. There are also births in 1920 of a John Welsh Gough and 1921 of a Mary Welsh Gough. This is where it gets confusing. Probably linking to the marriage in 1915 of Hugh Gough to Mary Welsh or 1920 to the marriage of Philip Gough to Annie Welsh. Philip and Hugh appear to be brothers. Looking at Valuation Rolls on Scotlandspeople and Voters Rolls on Findmypast it looks as if Hugh and Mary Gough and Philip and Annie Gough all lived in Farnell Street,which is a stone’s throw from Raglan Street.
Hugh Gough died in 1957 in Milton Glasgow age 63. Wife Mary died in 1982 in Glasgow age 85. Mary Welsh Gough married Joseph Hunter in 1943 and died in 1988 age 67. John Welsh Gough married Mary Jane Morrow in 1941 in Possilpark. His marriage certificate confirms him as a son of Philip and Annie.
Isobel
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Have been having another look at this ......
Not sure how all of this hangs together or even if it is relevant but putting it out there in case others can add to it.
Isobel
Hi Isobelw,
Thans for drawing the parallels here betweenScotland and Ireland. I had not quite made the connection that way. I need to go back over my own nnotes with your message in front of me to see how it all fits together - there is reason to think this could well be the line that I have been missing -- thank you ;D
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I think I have worked out who Joe Gough and family were. A Patrick Joseph Gough died in Tower Hamlets in 1991 with a birthdate of 29th Jan 1931. This ties in with the birth of a Patrick Joseph Gough in 1931 in Milton, Glasgow. There are also births in 1920 of a John Welsh Gough and 1921 of a Mary Welsh Gough. This is where it gets confusing. Probably linking to the marriage in 1915 of Hugh Gough to Mary Welsh or 1920 to the marriage of Philip Gough to Annie Welsh. Philip and Hugh appear to be brothers. Looking at Valuation Rolls on Scotlandspeople and Voters Rolls on Findmypast it looks as if Hugh and Mary Gough and Philip and Annie Gough all lived in Farnell Street,which is a stone’s throw from Raglan Street.
Hugh Gough died in 1957 in Milton Glasgow age 63. Wife Mary died in 1982 in Glasgow age 85. Mary Welsh Gough married Joseph Hunter in 1943 and died in 1988 age 67. John Welsh Gough married Mary Jane Morrow in 1941 in Possilpark. His marriage certificate confirms him as a son of Philip and Annie.
Isobel
Hi again Isobelw
You are a gem!! Yes the joe Gough that died in Towe Hamelys in 1991 is the younest of the Gough's that Dad knew :D I knew the Gough family had connections with Milton but had been unable to connect them with Maryhill/ Raglan Street. This links it all together superbly and is the biggest chunk of confirmed information I have had in several years. Thank You SOO Much!
Now to see if I can connect the Irish and Scottis Stringers you mentioned
Cheers,
Daisy1942
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:D Isobel, that is a big step forward! Well done :)
Monica
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:D Isobel, that is a big step forward! Well done :)
Monica
Thanks, this one is a real puzzle!
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Wow, Isobel!
Remarkable stuff...that's not using a 'spade' but a 'probe' ;D
Annie
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I think I have worked out who Joe Gough and family were..... Philip and Hugh appear to be brothers. Looking at Valuation Rolls on Scotlandspeople and Voters Rolls on Findmypast it looks as if Hugh and Mary Gough and Philip and Annie Gough all lived in Farnell Street,which is a stone’s throw from Raglan Street.
Hiisobelw
I have a Scotlands People account. and looked at hugh Gough for 1925 in the valuation rolls and it gave me one living in Franklin Street. How did you find Fatnrll Strrt?
thanks
Daisy1942
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Daisy...
GOUGH HUGH
Tenant
HOUSE 16 FARNELL STREET, GLASGOW
1935
VR010201560- * (matching ref. no. below)
GOUGH PHILIP
Tenant
HOUSE 12 FARNELL STREET, GLASGOW
1935
VR010201560- *
Annie
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In 1925 they are actually listed in Fleming Street, but this subsequently changed it’s name to Farnell Street so is the same place.
Isobel
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Hiya,
Sticking my nose in - I remembered Daisy's previous threads which I followed with interest and late last night had a bit of a delve on various sites.
Wonderful that Isobel has turned up trumps and there may be some headway.
And her finds match up with something I found.
A Joseph Stringer - Royal Army Service Corp - died 19th June 1942 and buried at Glasgow, St Peter's Roman Catholic Cemetery. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2453710/stringer,-joseph/
I looked up SP to see if there was anything on this young man - and there is a death registration.
He was killed during his service in a motorbike accident. Joseph was 20 years old and the son of Thomas and Sarah Stringer (nee. O'Donnell) - there is an address of 1217 Gallowgate, Glasgow.
Thomas Stringer is recorded as a Munitions worker.
Looby :)
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Good find Looby. Other children I have found are-
Annie Cannon Stringer who died age 12 in 1935 at 1217 Gallowgate
Thomas Francis Stringer who was the informant on Thomas snr’s death certificate. He was born 1916 in Camlachie, Glasgow and died in 1988 age 72. Can’t see an obvious marriage for him.
Catherine Stringer born 1925 in Camlachie married Patrick Winters in 1947 and died in 1994 age 68.
Isobel
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Hiya,
Sticking my nose in - I remembered Daisy's previous threads which I followed with interest and late last night had a bit of a delve on various sites.
Wonderful that Isobel has turned up trumps and there may be some headway.
And her finds match up with something I found.
A Joseph Stringer - Royal Army Service Corp - died 19th June 1942 and buried at Glasgow, St Peter's Roman Catholic Cemetery. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2453710/stringer,-joseph/
I looked up SP to see if there was anything on this young man - and there is a death registration.
He was killed during his service in a motorbike accident. Joseph was 20 years old and the son of Thomas and Sarah Stringer (nee. O'Donnell) - there is an address of 1217 Gallowgate, Glasgow.
Thomas Stringer is recorded as a Munitions worker.
Looby :)
Hi Looby
And thnak both you and Isobelw for your efforts over the past day or so. I think I must put all this out on paper to see how the family trees work out and where they may be connected. We did lookat Joseph Stringer killed on the motorbike many years ago and again at that time it did not seem to be a likely connection.howeversomething my hubby said last night makes it work revisitiong.
Thanks again
Daisy 1942
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Hazel, it is mentioned here www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/s/html/stringer-dominic-michael.htm that Dominic showed a Dublin birth place in some documents. Any more details from there?
Nice to see a photo of him after all this time :)
Monica
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Hazel, it is mentioned here www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/s/html/stringer-dominic-michael.htm that Dominic showed a Dublin birth place in some documents. Any more details from there?
Nice to see a photo of him after all this time :)
Monica
Hi Monica,
No, I have no more information than is there. The man who did the "Roll of Honour" seen here liased with me putting it together. There is only one reference in my records to his being born in Dublin and, from memory, it is anotes on a verbal conversation and I have not been able to prove a paper record for it.
FYI the uniform Dad is wearing there is from US CoastGuard. This picture was sent to Sub.Lt F. E. W.Lammert (mentioned in the link above), in the early 1990's and he recognised Dad as being one of the naval ratings mentioned in McMahon;s report in your link.
Hazel
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Thanks for background. Great photo of our hard to trace Dominic Michael!
There is a Dublin family by the way, with father John and sons showing as carpenters. Wife Eliza Hanley www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Lr__Gloucester_St_/1327380/
I can trace Edward, who married a Kate Donnelly in 1902 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Corporation_Buildings/29311/ Poor couple must have lost at least 10-15 children as babies or very young children. This includes a Kathleen who was born April-June 1919 in Dublin and died a few months later there. This is what got me looking to see if I could see a possible birth for Dominic there then to fit with his comments of him being a twin. No joy though :-\
Checking all options really as Dominic looks likely as we know to have been creative with his past ::)
Monica
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Thanks for background. Great photo of our hard to trace Dominic Michael!
There is a Dublin family by the way, with father John and sons showing as carpenters. Wife Eliza Hanley www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Lr__Gloucester_St_/1327380/
I can trace Edward, who married a Kate Donnelly in 1902 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Corporation_Buildings/29311/ Poor couple must have lost at least 10-15 children as babies or very young children. This includes a Kathleen who was born April-June 1919 in Dublin and died a few months later there. This is what got me looking to see if I could see a possible birth for Dominic there then to fit with his comments of him being a twin. No joy though :-\
Checking all options really as Dominic looks likely as we know to have been creative with his past ::)
Monica
Thanks Again Monica!!
You are quite right about Dominic's capacity to be "creative with his past"! We have tracked some of his stories that sounded too fantastic to be true, only to discover a kernel of truth at the centre of them.
There are two extremely interesting things about your most recent post. Firstly the birth/death of Kathleen in April 1919 which ties in with part of his story. Secondly, is the name Eliza - both my husband and I had forgotten that Dad had mentioned this name but my hubby cannot recall in what connection. Is the plot beginning to thin at long last? ??? As the two families you mention are related, I wonder if the story about the little girl's death was used by Dad as a sympathy getter? I think that is entirely possible.
John aged 2 in 1911 could well e "Jack" Dad's older brother who got him ot of Glasgow as it is not unrealistic for Catherine (28 in 1911) to still be having children in 1922, which is the more likely year Dad was born.
As soon as my life settles down again I must have a serious rummage at this family
Thanks Again
Hazel!
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The 2yr old John in 1911 died. Also another John born in 1912 died at the age of 3 months. Mother Kate seems to have reported most of her children's deaths. How awful it must have been. From the death regs I have seen, many of the babies failed to thrive from birth. Also, stomach/gastro issues seemed to also be another factor.
Monica
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The 2yr old John in 1911 died. Also another John born in 1912 died at the age of 3 months. Mother Kate seems to have reported most of her children's deaths. How awful it must have been. From the death regs I have seen, many of the babies failed to thrive from birth. Also, stomach/gastro issues seemed to also be another factor.
Monica
Monica
Oh darn - another idea bites the dust - LOL Thanks for your help.
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Hi again -
Referring back to the finds from Isobel and Annie of Hugh and Phillip Gough living at Fleming Street 1925 Valuation roll and Farnell Street 1930 & 35 Valuation rolls -
there is a Mrs Annie O'Donnell at 12 Fleming Street 1920 & 25 and 12 Farnell Street 1930.
I mention her because Sarah Stringer's maiden name was O'Donnell :-\ ( grasping at straws )
Looby :)
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Looby - I have been drawn to that Annie O’Donnell too. However from Thomas and Sarah’s marriage it looks as if her mother was also called Sarah.
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Thanks Isobel - it was worth mentioning. Had a feeling it would be a red herring ;D
Sarah's mother's name looks to have been Sarah Clifford/ O'Donnell. There is a death for a lady Sarah O'Donnell / Sarah Clifford recorded at Springburn - aged 74 in 1930 - just in case this could be useful too !!
Looby :)
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Thanks Isobel - it was worth mentioning. Had a feeling it would be a red herring ;D
Sarah's mother's name looks to have been Sarah Clifford/ O'Donnell. There is a death for a lady Sarah O'Donnell / Sarah Clifford recorded at Springburn - aged 74 in 1930 - just in case this could be useful too !!
Looby :)
Thanks Isobel and Loobt,
Sarah clifford O;dpnnell dtre my attention too. Though I thin that was just because Dominic's mother in law was called Eleanor Ckifford Agard - now that would be stretching coincidence just too far!
Hazel
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Thanks for background. Great photo of our hard to trace Dominic Michael!
There is a Dublin family by the way, with father John and sons showing as carpenters. Wife Eliza Hanley www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Lr__Gloucester_St_/1327380/
I can trace Edward, who married a Kate Donnelly in 1902 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Corporation_Buildings/29311/ Poor couple must have lost at least 10-15 children as babies or very young children. This includes a Kathleen who was born April-June 1919 in Dublin and died a few months later there. This is what got me looking to see if I could see a possible birth for Dominic there then to fit with his comments of him being a twin. No joy though :-\
Checking all options really as Dominic looks likely as we know to have been creative with his past ::)
Monica
Hi Monica,
After a very long time without new information, I have had another breakthrough. I thought you might like an update.
It has been proved through DNA testing that Dominic Michael Stringer was born Dominic Cunningham Casey on 14/4/1922 in Bonhill Street, Glasgow. His parents were John Patrick Casey and Martha Burt. He was number 10 of FIFTEEN children! Only five survived to adulthood. Sadly, my discovery of the brothers and sisters came too late to try and contact them. I am still trying to find out if there are any nieces or nephews that are still living. Weirdly it is much harder to trace the living!
Dominic married (the first time) on 30/12/1940 to Elizabeth Smith. they had a daughter, also called Elizabeth in September 1941. His marriage certificate shows him as "Gunner RA now on war service". The daughter is still alive and at the grand age of 76, my husband found he had a half sister! Perhaps this is why the name Eliza was familiar to me?
There is a D Casey 6RAA shown as missing at Singapore. This link to the RA is still a work in process. DCC/DMS great grandfather was John Casey born circa 1830 Ireland. John married Mary Clark also born about 1830 in Ireland.
It would appear that the link to Ireland is only tenuous, but i have yet to look more closely at his mothers family. Lots more clues to track to see what else comes out of the woodwork!
Daisy1942
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Hi Daisy
Thanks for the update to your thread :)
Sounds like you have made the breakthrough you needed to properly research Dominic. Good luck with your discoveries!
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Another year on and a few more chips out of the wall. Dominic Michael was indeed in the Royal Artillery as Dominic Cunningham Casey. He was at Singapore (albeit briefly) arriving on 13 January 1942 and escaping on 13 February 1942! He was reported missing but showed up about a month later and was registered back to the army in the Ceylon/India command area. His whereabouts were known for just 3 days before he went AWOL once more. Another soldier from his unit sighted him in Durban in June but vanished AGAIN!
the gap is getting smaller, I need to figure out how he got from Durban to Trinidad. i suppose one avenue of research is torpedoed ships as he claimed to have been torpedoed three times when he was recruited into the USED Coast Guard in Trinidad. A long shot but so many of his other stories have held a kernel of truth.
The hunt goes on!
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;D The hunt is certainly continuing for you!
Monica