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Hi,
I feel it's all to easy to wander off down the wrong family line, so I'm hoping someone might just be able to confirm a couple of details.
My 3x great-grandfather John Hornsby
b 7 MAY 1797 Longbenton, Northumberland, England
d APRIL 1854 Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
married a Sarah Walton (b 1802) of Alston, Cumbria in 1827.
It's his father, Thomas and mother, Elizabeth (nee Turner) that I can't confirm back beyond. Does anyone have them in their tree or have information about them?
Many thanks in advance
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Welcome to Rootschat,
I have a side line of Hornsbys in my Tree but no link to yours.
I did notice a Deemster and variants and wife Isabel Hornsby were baptising children in Longbenton around the same time as your Thomas/Elizabeth were.
DEAMSTER Hornsby was buried 10 Oct 1834 age 74 (1760)
Isable was buried 1800 age 34, Wife of Deemstor, she was nee Mills according to Burial
They married 1787
(FreeREG)
There is a possible christening for Deemster Hornsby 19 September 1762, Jarrow, Durham
Father THOMAS
(Familysearch.Org)
So is he a sibling of your Thomas, possibly.
Trish :)
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Thomas/Elizabeth Baptised Longbenton;
John 1797 as you know
Isabella 1799, died 1803 (mother nee Turner)
As Thomas/Elizabeth married 1787 there must be other children born c 1788-1796 elsewhere.
There are 2 possibles Horton by Blyth;
Ann 1788
Elizabeth 1791
EDIT looks possible
Burial;
Longbenton
24 May 1802, ELIZABETH Hornsby age 11*, Daug of Thomas/Elizabeth
Abode East Benton Colliery, died 22 May
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ANN Hornsby 22 May 1797, no age given, Daug or Thomas, abode East Benton Colliery
(FreeREG)
Sorry cant find Thomas/Elizabeth Burials anywhere in Northumberland.
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Hopefully others may be able to help more as I am going away for a few days.
Trish :)
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Hopefully others may be able to help more as I am going away for a few days.
Trish :)
Many thanks Trish, I'll look these up, appreciate the information.
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Longbenton,
burial,
Sarah Hornsby,
december 28th 1798
aged 23 years,
4th daughter of Deemster native of Heworth and his wife Isable Mills Native of Widdrington
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you state Thomas as the father,? What links do you have to Thomas and Elizabeth as the parents of your John in 1797,
Long Benton parish records
John Hornsby
baptised July 17th 1796
son of Deemster and Isabel
abode Moor Edge
Okay I have answered my own question As Deemsters son John dies Long Benton aged 5
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Just for information, IGI has these 2 separate children/families:
John Hornsby
christening: 7th May 1797 Longbenton, Northumberland
father: Thomas Hornsby mother: Elizabeth
John Hornsby
christening: 14th July 1796 Longbenton, Northumberland
father: Deemster Hornsby mother: Isabel
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am I looking at the correct John ,late of Blenheim St Newcastle
John Hornsby agent died 30th April 1854
21 years in the employ of Messr I and J Burrell iron founders
John Hornsby aged 46 years his wife is Sarah
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Just for information, IGI has these 2 separate children/families:
John Hornsby
christening: 7th May 1797 Longbenton, Northumberland
father: Thomas Hornsby mother: Elizabeth
John Hornsby
christening: 14th July 1796 Longbenton, Northumberland
father: Deemster Hornsby mother: Isabel
Indeed my understanding is from
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Hornsby
Gender Male
Baptism Date 07 May 1797
Baptism Place Longbenton,Northumberland,England
Father Thomas Hornsby
Mother Elizabeth
Household Members
John Hornsby
Elizabeth
Thomas Hornsby
Any help is much appreciated.
Hopefully something will come to light regarding Thomas and Elizabeth. The Deemster route seems to be well documented.
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am I looking at the correct John ,late of Blenheim St Newcastle
John Hornsby agent died 30th April 1854
Many thanks for the replies
My understanding is from
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Hornsby
Gender Male
Baptism Date 07 May 1797
Baptism Place Longbenton,Northumberland,England
Father Thomas Hornsby
Mother Elizabeth
Household Members
John Hornsby
Elizabeth
Thomas Hornsby
The Deemster route seems to be well documented, but something tells me this is not right, and from my recollection, Deemster didn't have a brother, Thomas, although I could be mistaken.
I do have John's death recorded at Apr-May-June 1854 Newcastle Upon Tyne from
England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
I'm sure something will come to light, that's what makes it interesting.
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am I looking at the correct John ,late of Blenheim St Newcastle
John Hornsby agent died 30th April 1854
21 years in the employ of Messr I and J Burrell iron founders
John Hornsby aged 46 years his wife is Sarah
Hi,
I believe so.
Thanks for this additional information, where did you discover it?
Sarah (c.1802), his wife, daughter of William Walton (c.1765) and Sarah Brown and sister to William Walton (c.1800).
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Strange that that info has him as age 46.
GRO
HORMSBY, JOHN age 56
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 4
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I hadnt looked at Census entries for John before and just have and I must say I am confused.
1851 Census we have;
Westgate, Northumberland
John HORNSBY, 54, Head, Mar, Clerk to Iron Founder, born Northd, Benton
Sarah Hornsby, 37, Wife, Mar, born Northd, Newton on the Moore
Adolph Ewphotey, 21
1851 we also have;
Heworth, Durham
Sarah Hamsley, 50, Head, WIDOW**, Housekeeper (Pauper) born Alston, Cumberland***
Ann Hamsley, 23, Daug, born Alston
Matthew Hamsley, 20, Son, born Alston
Elizabeth Hamsley, 17, Daug, born Northumberland
Sarah Hamsley, 13, Daug, born Northumberland
Joseph Hamsley, 10, Son, born Benton, Northumberland
Margaret Hamsley, 7, Daug, born Heworth, Durham
Joseph Liddell, 30, Relative
Abraham English, 27, Lodger
Image above is HORNSBY****
BAPTISMS;
St Jude, Knaresdale, Northumberland
ANN Hornsby 08 Apr 1829
MATTHEW Hornsby 01 Aug 1830
Parents JOHN/SARAH
Abode Slaggyford, Father Occp Lead Ore Miner
Haltwhistle;
SARAH Hornsby 18 Dec 1837 to John/Sarah (Railway Lab)
1841 Census
Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
John HORSEBY, 30, Quarryman
Sarah, 30
Ann, 13
Matthew, 11
Elizabeth, 7
Sarah, 3****
Joseph, 1*******
GRO Birth Regs
HORNSBY, JOSEPH, Mothers mn WALTON*******
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 340
HORNSBY, SARAH, Mothers mn WALTON***
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in HALTWHISTLE UNION Volume 25 Page 185
So something wrong here or am I going crazy ???
Looks to me the John Hornsby who married Sarah Walton 1827 has died by 1851 and is not the same John who died 1854 and was a Clerk to the Iron Founders.
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Off to bed can someone else look over what I have posted and give me their opinions please :)
Back tomorrow night (OZ time)
Trish :)
One last thing which reasonably matches 1851 Census for Sarah the Widow;
Name: Sarah Walton
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1802
Baptism Date: Sep 1802
Baptism Place: Alston,Cumberland,England
Father: William Walton
Mother: Sarah Brown
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I hadn't looked at Census entries for John before and just have and I must say I am confused.
1851 Census we have;
Westgate, Northumberland
John HORNSBY, 54, Head, Mar, Clerk to Iron Founder, born Northd, Benton
Sarah Hornsby, 37, Wife, Mar, born Northd, Newton on the Moore
Adolph Ewphotey, 21
1851 we also have;
Heworth, Durham
Sarah Hamsley, 50, Head, WIDOW**, Housekeeper (Pauper) born Alston, Cumberland***
Ann Hamsley, 23, Daug, born Alston
Matthew Hamsley, 20, Son, born Alston
Elizabeth Hamsley, 17, Daug, born Northumberland
Sarah Hamsley, 13, Daug, born Northumberland
Joseph Hamsley, 10, Son, born Benton, Northumberland
Margaret Hamsley, 7, Daug, born Heworth, Durham
Joseph Liddell, 30, Relative
Abraham English, 27, Lodger
Image above is HORNSBY****
BAPTISMS;
St Jude, Knaresdale, Northumberland
ANN Hornsby 08 Apr 1829
MATTHEW Hornsby 01 Aug 1830
Parents JOHN/SARAH
Abode Slaggyford, Father Occp Lead Ore Miner
Haltwhistle;
SARAH Hornsby 18 Dec 1837 to John/Sarah (Railway Lab)
1841 Census
Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
John HORSEBY, 30, Quarryman
Sarah, 30
Ann, 13
Matthew, 11
Elizabeth, 7
Sarah, 3****
Joseph, 1*******
GRO Birth Regs
HORNSBY, JOSEPH, Mothers mn WALTON*******
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 340
HORNSBY, SARAH, Mothers mn WALTON***
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in HALTWHISTLE UNION Volume 25 Page 185
So something wrong here or am I going crazy ???
Looks to me the John Hornsby who married Sarah Walton 1827 has died by 1851 and is not the same John who died 1854 and was a Clerk to the Iron Founders.
This is my understanding to.
I have them in the census of 1841 living at Byker, Northumberland, England as
John Horsesby M 30-34,
Sarah Horsesby F 30-34
Ann Horsesby F 13,
Matthew Horsesby M 11
Elizabeth Horsesby F 7,
Sarah Horsesby F 3,
Joseph M 1 Northumberland
Two different families with nearly identically named children?
The Father, John I have listed as a drummer
(Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925)
Again, I'm not 100% certain, but this may explain the different birth town of his children.
Many thanks for this additional info, who said this was straight forward?
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Quote;
This is my understanding to.
I have them in the census of 1841 living at Byker, Northumberland, England as
John Horsesby M 30-34,
Sarah Horsesby F 30-34
Ann Horsesby F 13,
Matthew Horsesby M 11
Elizabeth Horsesby F 7,
Sarah Horsesby F 3,
Joseph M 1 Northumberland
To me the John above died before 1851 where Sarah is a Widow.
The other John/Sarah in 1851 are a different couple.
She is much younger than John, no children with them and he is born c 1797 Longbenton.
I havent found them in 1841 Census.
The John HORNSBY who married Sarah WALTON only appears on the 1841 Census so we have no idea where was born.
There children are born various places as he was a Miner
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Can we back up a bit please?
Who are you descended from that led you to John Hornsby/Sarah Walton as their Parents?
When/where/who did they marry?
Trish :)
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1841 Census
Blenheim Street
Westgate, Northumberland
John Hornsby, 40, Cl ( short for Clerk)
Susan Hornsby, 27
Elizabeth Brown, 16, Servant
1851 Census at same address we have;
15 Blenheim St, Westgate
John Hornsby, 54, Clerk to Iron Founder, born Northd, Benton (Longbenton)
Sarah Hornsby, 37, Wife, born Northd, Newton on the Moore
Adolph Ewphotey, 21
So this is the John born Lonbenton and the other 1841/1851 Census's I posted are for the John Hornsby who married Sarah Walton.
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I think this is more likely the Death Reg of John who married Sarah Walton;
HORNSBY, JOHN, age 43******
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in GATESHEAD UNION Volume 24 Page 109
Their last child Margaret from 1851 Census was born Heworth, Durham. And widowed Sarah and are there in 1851 Census.
Gateshead is the reg district for Heworth.
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Is anyone able to look up this Marriage please?
20 September 1846, Tynemouth, Northumberland
John HORNSBY to Sarah BROWN
Familysearch has their Fathers as THOMAS Hornsby/GEORGE Brown
Just a query for Occp for John occp mainly.
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Can we back up a bit please?
Who are you descended from that led you to John Hornsby/Sarah Walton as their Parents?
When/where/who did they marry?
Trish :)
Hi,
I'm related to John's son Joseph (b.1840 Newcastle, married Martha Francis McDowell in 1860 Athlone, Ireland) he's my 2nd great grandfather.
Many thanks for pointing these things out.
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I am glad I could help.
So at least you know that John Hornsby 1797 (Clerk) is not your Ancestor.
Trish :)
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Hello everyone. I was wondering if anyone was able to help with tracing my father’s family tree. His name is John Thomas Hornsby born 19th August 1943. He was born in Whitley bay. I know he had older siblings, with a large age gap between him and his eldest sibling, he was the youngest of five I think. His mother’s name was Violet and I believe she was born sometime between 1900-1910. He immigrated to New Zealand a year or so before I was born. Living here in NZ I haven’t been able to access many records or had much luck online.
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Welcome Beth to Rootschat.
I presume your Father is not alive anymore as we dont put anything for the living on here.
NZ records are very good (I was born there)
You may not just be looking in the right place.
We can help with that also.
Your Fathers birth reg is on FreeBMD
www.freebmd.org.uk Reg 1943 Mothers maiden name BENNETT
Also on there is his Parents Marriage 1924 Robert HORNSBY/Violet BENNETT
Its is best if you have your Fathers NZ M/C and Death Cert to confirm all info.
Trish :)
Yes he appears to be the 5th child.
You can search FreeBMD for Births 1924-1943 for Hornsby, mothers name Bennett and they come up.
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I have more but need to go out back later :)
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Oh gosh! Thank you for your quick reply!!
Yes, Dad passed away on the 1st of March 2023 in Auckland Hospital.
I have asked my Mum for their marriage cert (which is what I assume is M/C) and his death cert and she will pass onto me within the week.
Are you able to track the siblings from where you found Dads parents info?
Thank you
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Hi, Beth,
You have not said whether you belong to Ancestry or Find My Past or any other paid Site.
I will put a link to Ancestry 1939 register but if you could say a little more it would help us. It is up to you to do the work and buy, where necessary, the certificates for confirmation.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tr6/
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I have just joined ancestry uk and used the FreeBSD site.
I didn’t know what his siblings names were so this is amazing!
I’m not sure what to do next but I think I’ll explore the ancestry site and try and fill in some more.
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Hi Beth,
Would like to know what you think of all of this :)
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Dora Hornsby, Mother Bennett , June 1929 Newcastle Upon Tyne, free BMD
Dora with her mother and father in 1939, 164 Park View Whitley Bay, birth date 8th April 1929
Dora Hornsby marriage to Joseph Cullen, Tynemouth registration March 1948, free BMD
Dora Cullen burial Whitley Bay Jan 1983, burial Whitley Bay on find a grave,
Their daughter Bernadette A Cullen born 29th Dec 1948 ,died Whitley Bay on the 30th December 2006, married name Fielding