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Title: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Friday 13 July 18 04:20 BST (UK)
I recently received death cert of G.A.Ellen who died North Curry Somerset 11 July 1870 aged 17.  Cause of death states ? Cerebro spinal fever 14 days certified.   I am wondering if anyone can throw a light on what the '14 days certified' means, please.     M.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 13 July 18 05:10 BST (UK)
A death should be registered within 5 days but registration can be delayed for another 9 days if the registrar has been told that a medical certificate has been issued.

Could it have something to do with this 14 day period?
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Friday 13 July 18 06:06 BST (UK)
Many thanks/Diolch Hanes Teulu.      Do you think that there would be a copy of a medical cert. out there somewhere in someone's records:    highly unlikely, but a fascinating thought.   M
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 13 July 18 06:23 BST (UK)
Croeso.

I checked for a burial record (occasionally the Minister might add a note to an entry) but the image is not available on line - only a transcription (basic details).
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 13 July 18 06:28 BST (UK)
I think the wording refers to the fact that she has been certified by the doctor to have had the fever for 14 days, before death.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Friday 13 July 18 08:02 BST (UK)
Thanks KGarrad - an interesting theory.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Friday 13 July 18 08:04 BST (UK)
To Hanes Teulu        what info did you insert please to get your resulting transcription.     M
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: AntonyMMM on Friday 13 July 18 08:14 BST (UK)
KGarrard is correct - the 14 days is the duration of the illness.

Do you think that there would be a copy of a medical cert. out there somewhere in someone's records:    highly unlikely, but a fascinating thought.   M

The medical cert (called  the MCCD - Medical Certificate of Cause of Death) is retained by the registrar, but  most of the information on it is repeated on the register entry so wouldn't help with any research.

Most doctors don't fill in the duration of illness column any more, and even if they do it is no longer included on the register entry.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: majm on Friday 13 July 18 08:15 BST (UK)
I think the wording refers to the fact that she has been certified by the doctor to have had the fever for 14 days, before death.

I agree too,.

New South Wales (Australia) death certs include the info about how long for the illness, and the person who provides that response is the medico, who "certifies" the accuracy of that response to that specific question.

JM
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: medpat on Friday 13 July 18 08:18 BST (UK)
I have several certs. with a how many days they were ill, it is always in the what they died of section so it relates to the illness.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 13 July 18 08:46 BST (UK)
To Hanes Teulu        what info did you insert please to get your resulting transcription.     M

I searched FindMypast parish burials for (a) first name "ellen" (b) year of death "1870" (c) location "north curry". It returned 1 hit - "buried 17 July, age 16". Your Ellen died 11 July.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Friday 13 July 18 10:06 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone who replied:

I did not think of looking for burial results  - well done
How long - I wonder - since the amount of time a decd was sick has no longer been recorded ?
and MedPat   -  do your death certs relate to UK or not.
and again  AUS may give different details too.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: medpat on Friday 13 July 18 11:50 BST (UK)
They are all UK certs. I have only bought for my pedigree and none have left England.
Title: Re: My grt aunt Ellen
Post by: Forestandtree on Saturday 14 July 18 09:54 BST (UK)
Thanks again all and to MedPat,  I have now obtained a further 2 death certs of the same family members, one who died 13/2/1859 aged 2 yrs and one who died 17/2/1959 aged 9 months: both causes were Croupal Diphtheria:  one stating 7 days the other 21 days.   So you are correct.
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