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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: angie on Saturday 31 July 04 23:23 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if anybody would be able to help , or offer a little guidence. I have been looking for the whereabouts in Ireland, of my grandfather Patrick Callaghan's place of birth, ( when grandfather left Ireland, the prefix O'was dropped)
He married my grandmother, Margaret Winter in Dec. 1910 age 27 yrs. at Sunderland. The marriage certifcate records his father as William, deceased, William had been a farm labourer.
I have found no trace of my grandfather on the 1901 census (England/ Wales) but he was a witness at my
grandmothers sister, Annie's marriage in 1906, also at Sunderland.
As a young child , I believe my dad said, that the family originally came from Cork. some research has been done by cousins; but they told me they had searched for a Patrick, as grandfathers father, this did turn up an interesting result, of an record at Athey which I believe is on the Curragh ? that tied in with the fact that grandfather had been a jockey in Ireland.
I also believe, he could have had at least one other sibling, Michael; but that is all I know.
If anyone can help I would be extremely grateful
Thanks
Angie
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Angie,
I undersand th Curragh is in Kildare so you might want to shift your research from Cork to Kildare.
Good luck
Eileen
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Thanks Eileen,
I was thinking along the same lines....... although my cousin started his research, with a different forename for g.g. grandfather, anything is worth a try , If I knew my grandfathers, mothers name, it might help, I suspect it could be Mary as this name appears only on the Callaghan side of the family.
Thanks for the luck :) I think I will need it !
Angie
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Hi,
I'd say your best bet is to search the birth registrations around 1883. If you are near an LDS library, they should be able to get the indexes. I'd look in both Kildare and Cork. Did you check the IGI?
Kate
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Hi Kate,
Thank you for the sound advice, I do not live near any L.D.S. centre's, I will try the I.G.I.
When I first posted, I hoped there might be someone that could be working on, or come across the family: but nothing is that easy is it !
Back to the hard slog
Thanks again
Angie
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Hi Angie, I am researching my family tree and am wondering is the Patrick O callaghan you were searching related to a Michael callaghan. He had a son James born in 1908. Is it possible that Michael is a brother of Patrick? As you query is 4 years ago perhaps you have subsequently made new discoveries. I would be interested in your reply. Many thanks . B
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2 things stick out in the original post - the jockey occupation and the name Winter in the family. There is a well known Winter family still involved in horse racing to this day.
Try a letter to the Jockey Club, address is on their site http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/
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hi angie
my married name is o'callaghan and i have got back to 1800 were the family came from ireland about 1830, to we think now london, charles callaghan is in the 1851 census in southampton, he was born in ireland about 1823, his father was patrick callaghan, the o' came into the family about 1856. and it was one of charles sons that put it in. if you have not got more than what you have on your post, then try Killarney, Kerry, Ireland , and see if that helps.
from car
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Hi Car,
My 2 x Great grandfather, Charles Patrick O'Callaghan was born about 1822 - 1881 I cannot find a birth record for him, but I have for the rest of the family. His father was Patrick Callaghan bap 14 Sep 1799 Ballymore Eustace, Wicklow - 1857 Baltinglass Wicklow) who was a farmer in Baltinglass Wicklow and later listed as a Linen Manufacturer on Charle's Marriage Cert. Patrick married Margaret Mahon ( 1802 - 1879). I am trying to re-find the record, but I am sure it was around 1821. They then had Charles, John (11 Jan 1824 - 1900 South Australia), Ellen (10 Apr 1825 - ) James Joseph 17 Mar 1828 - 1898 South Australia), Patrick (1829 - ) Thomas (1831- ) Henry (1838 - 1858 South Australia. They were all born in Baltinglass Wicklow. I have DNA matches with descendants of the families who came to Australia.
Charles had moved to Southampton in the 1840's as he had possibly worked for Ordnance Survey in Ireland. Their premises at the Tower of London had been affected by fire and they moved their HQ to Southampton in the early 1840's. I cannot find what happened to his brother Patrick but it is quite possible he moved to England as well due to the Potato Famine. Many of Charle's family worked for Ordnance Survey. Charles is buried in the Old Cemetery on Southampton Common. B10 Plot. 275
The O in front of Callaghan means, I believe to mean descendent of. Some families used it and some went by the surname Callaghan.
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related posts by Car on her O'Callaghan's
Dec 2013 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672097
Oct 2010 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=491356
Feb 2010 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=440946
Nov 2009 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=422595
Aug 2009 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=398336
May 2009 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382186
Mar 2009 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=371196
Mar 2009 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=364841
Mar 2006 https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=141214
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hi NoniB
thank you for that, my late father in law said they came over because of the Potato Famine. you have given me a lot of info, I new about Wicklow, the O in front of the name is because you are cheif of the clan, that is what I have been told. do not now if it is right. and yes they did work for the Ordnance Survey, then when the family moved to london, they then worked on the railways.
from Car
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The O means grandson of
You can read about surnames here including the dropping and reinstatement of O
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-last-names.html
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John Grenham's short blog on the Os and the Macs
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2017/12/11/how-the-os-and-the-macs-came-back/
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hi Jon_ni
thank you for the info. I have read it.
from Car
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hi sinann
thank you for the info. I have read it.
from Car