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Hi
Nicholas McAvoy and Ann Macken, my 3x gr grandparents were married on 24 Nov 1845 at Kilkeel before travelling to Egremont, Cumberland a few years later. Sadly Nicholas died in a mining accident there in 1870 shortly before their 9th child was born.
Can anyone please help me take my research further back or suggest links that could help me in this endeavour.
Thank you
Half Pint
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I guess you have the parish register, https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633230#page/93/mode/1up
Be glad they recorded it and you can read it. :) A lot of my mother's family should be in here but I can't find them.
I was hoping the register would name the townland of the bride or groom, but it doesn't.
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Two baptisms if this is the same couple. You say they left a few years later.
August 27, 1863,
Edward, [son] of Nicholas McAvoy and Ann Mackin. sponsors Edward Hanna and Margaret Sloan. Ballymahall???
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633230#page/65/mode/1up
Aug 25, 1846, Pat [son] of Nicholas McEvoy and Ann Mackin
sponsors Betty McCory? and John McCrink?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633230#page/23/mode/1up
Edward's record, in 1863, gives a location, but the best I can make of it is Ballynahall. I attached it, maybe someone else can read it. I can't find a reference to Ballynahall or Ballymahall in Kilkeel.
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Ballynahatten
https://www.logainm.ie/67006.aspx
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Ballynahatten
https://www.logainm.ie/67006.aspx
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Thank you.
and there is a Nicholas McAvoy in Ballynahatten on Griffith's Valuation. But were they there that late?
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If you know they went straight to Egremont from Kilkeel, then this could be Ann, widowed, in 1871. The only problem is she says all the children but the oldest were born in Liverpool.
1871 on Rafferty Row, Egremont
Ann McEvoy, widow, 43, born in Ireland [b 1828]
Patrick 20, born in Ireland
Edward, 7, born in Liverpool
6 more children from Bridget at 3 months to Catherine at 18, all born in Liverpool
All the births match what you have told us so far, I assume Bridget is the child born after Nicholas died. If so, she was probably born in Egremont, correct? Which would make the other birth locations on the census suspect as well.
Which would mean that the two baptisms, Patrick and Edward, I posted earlier could be their children, assuming Nicholas and Ann were in Kilkeel until 1863. I didn't find them in 1861 in Egremont or 1871.
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quick start
Thr great Ros Davies starts the
archived website gives https://web.archive.org/web/20170430042758/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com:80/~rosdavies/CHURCHES/K_W.htm#Kilkeel
McAVOY family Kilkeel originally from Queens County , Leix O'L V1 p4
Nicholas McAVOY . Kilkeel married Ann Macken 24 Nov 1845 at Massforth Catholic church PR
she gives St. Colman's Catholic Church Massforth, Ballymageogh Catholic Church- Upper Mourne 3km NW of Kilkeel on Rostrevor road
Baptisms & marriages are available from 1839; www.emeraldancestors.com has baptisms 1845-1863 with free indexes but pay-per-view for details.
Graveyard attached, gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 10, oldest grave 1810; UHF has baptisms 1837-1900 & marriages 1839-1900 & deaths 1869-1900
Tithes that marriage date should have produced a parents name or two. without that I cant connect to the 1830 records
Tithes Applotment Books 823-1837 based upon the work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland. The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
it’s a very simple one line entry which sometimes connects to Griffiths valuation
Macken also spelt many ways eg Mackan I didn’t check Mackin
Macken, Edward Townland: Ballynahatton Year: 1830 Kilkeel Down
Macken, Hugh Townland: Ballynahatton Year: 1830 Kilkeel Down
Macken, Stephen Townland: Ballynahatton Year: 1830 Kilkeel Down
the 3rd townland traveling sw on the coast from Kilkeel itself
Macken, Nicholas Townland: Dunavill Year: 1830 Kilkeel Down
the 2nd townland traveling SW on the coast from Kilkeel itself
McAvoy, spelling in 6 townlands within only Kilkeel civil parish
McAvoy, Bernard Townland: Attical Year: 1830 Kilkeel
McAvoy, Hugh Townland: Attical Year: 1830 Kilkeel
McAvoy, Patrick Townland: Attical Year: 1830 Kilkeel
a townland 3 townlandsnw upwards in middle mourne area the eastern townland neighbor of Ballymageough
McAvoy, Widow Nancy T’land: Aughnaloopy Year: 1830 Kilkeel
atownland 2 up northwards from kilkeel.
McAvoy, Hugh Townland: Aughrim Year: 1830 Kilkeel
a townland one closer than Attical &Ballymageough
McAvoy, James Townland: Ballinran Year: 1830 Kilkeel
a townland neighbor to the east of Aughnaloopy
McAvoy, Hugh Townland: Ballymageough Year: 1830 Kilkeel
McAvoy, James Townland: Ballymageough Year: 1830 Kilkeel
right up in the mourne mountains 3 townlands north west of Kilkeel
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Ros Davies has her own site now, up and running:
http://www.rosdavies.com/
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Wow, I knew these lists were good but am still totally stunned by the help you've given me. I do appreciate it. I will need a couple of days to digest and investigate all the info and will come back to you all
Regards
Half Pint
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I see a Catholic baptism record (and scan) for the 1845 marriage, which I presume you have
I also saw the baptisms of Patrick in 1846 and Edward in 1863, in Ballynahatten, both in Kilkeel
In the 1864 Griffith valuation, Nicholas is living in Ballynahatten, on 2.6 Irish acreas and a house woth 10s rent pa, a relatively modest cottage, I suggest. This is the property he leased, a most peculiar oval shape (in the left hand image, toward lower left), right in the middle of a river, from the look of it. There is no house marked, but these maps weren't drawn up at the same time as the Griffith valuation, so he may have built a house himself.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjooUIUtx9j5ha4XeaxZ65eXK03HoQ
The property records show he had died by 1874, but I don't see a death record for him.
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The property records show he had died by 1874, but I don't see a death record for him.
Does it actually say that he died then or is it just that the name of the tenant for the property has been changed at that date? Sometimes it takes a while for changes to be noted in the Revision Books whilst other times it's impossible to tell if a change has been made from one person to another with the same name (for example, if a Nicholas McAvoy took over the holding from another Nicholas McAvoy).
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It says "Reps" next to his name, which means representatives were acting for him.This means either that he died (the most common option) or had become mentally incompetent.
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It says "Reps" next to his name, which means representatives were acting for him.This means either that he died (the most common option) or had become mentally incompetent.
… or that he went away somewhere out of the area ;)
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Well, I've seen a lot of "reps" in the Kilkeel records, and they have all been deaths to this point..
He may well have been somewhere else, but I'll bet he was still dead
Anyway, that will have to wait for a definitive death record
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by the way, his name was spelt McEvoy in these records (quite a common variant of McAvoy)