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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: vonni on Thursday 14 June 18 06:39 BST (UK)
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Morning,
I have an open thread in the common room about an ancestor that may have travelled from Yorkshire to London and back in the early 1800’s.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794980.0
This is the birth location for a Mary Ann Graham (born Hodgson) from the 1951 census in Caldwell, Yorkshire.
Can anyone make out what the word is between Middlesex and London?
Thank you for any help.
BW
Vonni
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Town :-\
What is the census reference so we can compare with the rest of the page
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Is it perhaps simply a very twiddly "in"? ???
I agree with Rosie - a bit more of the page for comparison would be good.
Karen
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I see it as an error that has been crossed and overwritten with London but, like the others, I'd like the census reference as I can't see it in a quick search and your other thread suggests that she was in Caldwell in 1861 not 1851.
Gadget
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Thank you
RG 9/3678/31 page: 14
BW
Vonni
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It is 1861 -RG9 ;)
The first letter is C like the C in Caldwell below
There has been an attempt to cross it out. ;D
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I've just looked and I think the enumerator was about to write Yorkshire, C?? and corrected it - see the snip below
It only really reads Middlesex London
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It is 1861 -RG9 ;)
The first letter is C like the C in Caldwell below
There has been an attempt to cross it out. ;D
I have no idea so just sent the whole reference just in case ;D
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Yes, thank you both... I can see what you mean now... almost changed yorkshire into Middlesex...
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It says Middlesex City London. So birthplace is City of London.
The City is the oldest part of London within the city walls, often called 'the square mile'. It contains the Bank of England and the Tower of London. It is volume 1c in the bmd indexes.
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I've just looked and I think the enumerator was about to write Yorkshire, C?? and corrected it - see the snip below
It only really reads Middlesex London
I agree with Gadget and Rosie - it's clear from the snip that the enumerator originally wrote something starting with 'C' and that this has been overwritten by the word London. So it's Middlesex, London.
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It says Middlesex City London. So birthplace is City of London.
The City is the oldest part of London within the city walls, often called 'the square mile'. It contains the Bank of England and the Tower of London. It is volume 1c in the bmd indexes.
Surely the City of London is not, and never has been, part of the county of Middlesex? Or indeed any other county?
As others have already explained, the place of birth in this entry is 'Middlesex, London' and the 'C....' is a partly erased mistake.
Carol
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Yes, I agree they started to write Yorkshire and changed it to Middlesex and then Startedvwritinf Caldwell and changed it to London.
Thank you all for your help. ;D
BW
Vonni
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I have seen Middlesex City London as birthplace in census returns before, which is probably why I recognise it.
London was formerly in the county of Middlesex.
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I don't think that it does say City. There is certainly a C at the beginning but the rest does not look like 'ity'. Other entries on the page for y have a long tail, there is no evidence of a tail at the end.
If I was pushed for a translation I would say it looked more like Cove :-\
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If I was pushed for a translation I would say it looked more like Cove :-\
That's what I think as well, Rosie :)
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I have seen Middlesex City London as birthplace in census returns before, which is probably why I recognise it.
But in this case it is clear that whatever was written that started with 'C' has been overwritten by the 'L' of London.
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I agree with Jennifer and Rosie. It's clearly a clerical error and the corrected entry reads Middlesex London . Also, no way do the amended letters read City.
Gadget
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London was formerly in the county of Middlesex.
No, the City of London was not formerly in any other county - because it is both a city and a county in its own right. That's why it has its own Lord Mayor (not the Mayor of London) and its own police force (not the Met).
The census entry doesn't say 'City'. It's a partly erased clerical error, as several others have said.
Carol