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Hi,
I am enquiring about the Flood family of Red Cow,
My records have them in the area from 1780s - 1900's.
The Flood family had a lime quarry at red cow and farm land and buildings in the Red Cow area.
The lime quarry was used to make bricks for houses in Dublin.
Michael Flood my 3rd great uncle live in Drimnagh Lodge. This is situated where Woodies is now on the Naas Road.
James Flood Lived in Stone House in Ballyfermot, which is now Markievicz park. The Floods also had a house called Porlester house at the junction Robinhood Road which is now a car garage.
The houses were eventually sold but i don't know where the Flood family went to after that or what happened to them.
Any information would be so welcoming.
Kind Regards
Paul
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Welcome to RootsChat Paul,
In order to help you we need to tie down the dates a bit more.
How far into the 1900s do you have the family in the area?
Have you got them in the 1901 and 1911 censuses?
Have you looked for marriages and deaths on IrishGenealogy for dates after they left the area?
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I can see Drimmagh Lodge on the old maps it's in the townland of Fox and Geese Common.
I can see Michael Flood is Landlord of several properties in Fox and Geese Common in 1901 but he isn't living there I don't see his name on any property in 1911.
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Did Michael move to Stone House Inchicore there is a entry in the Will Calendars 21 August 1901, widow Alice.
If that is the correct Michael
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Palmerstown/Ballyfermott_Lower/1290805/
1911 Alice has remarried
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Palmerstown/Ballyfermot_Lower__Part_of_Rural/40637/
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The family appear to have moved to Violet Vale possibly circa 1914 as i saw Nicholas O'Connor listed as Stone House 1914
As a former postman in the area i think Violet Vale was on the junction of Ballyfermot Road and St Laurence Rd not far from the Ranch and a short distance from Stone House.
Michael Tynan Flood a soldier married Catherine Mooney 1918 from that address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09729/5530057.pdf
Michael died from Syncope 1924 same address informant Alice Brady Sister
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05034/4377356.pdf
Alice Flood of Stone House married James Brady 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09914/5603367.pdf
Alice Elliott died 1942 at Violet Vale informant Alice Dalton g daughter ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1942/04691/4251301.pdf
edited to add Alice buried Glasnevin
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
Elizabeth Flood of Stone House married John Dalton 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10027/5647181.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/St__Lawrence_Road/32102/
from their childrens births the above address seems to be Garden Ville
John 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01520/1617011.pdf
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James Flood Lived in Stone House in Ballyfermot, which is now Markievicz park. The Floods also had a house called Porlester house at the junction Robinhood Road which is now a car garage.
Is this James, Michael's father?
I see from Michael and Alice's marriage his father is James and Michael's address is Stone House Clondalkin.
I see a James Flood died 1862 of Stone House Inchicore, a Michael Flood of Fox and Geese is listed as an Executor
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014887/005014887_00391.pdf
Can't be the same Michael that married Alice as he was only a child in 1862, but is this James his father.
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Henry Elliott married Alice Flood nee Tynan 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10216/5718685.pdf
her father 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Tallagh/Garranstown/1312253/
reply 8 here is interesting
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=288980.0
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James Flood 1862 age 36 buried Glasnevin
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This could get confusing
Michael Flood Fox and Geese died 1860
Son John left estate unadministered
Son Michael of Drimna Lodge was granted letters of administration
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014902/005014902_00130.pdf
So the Michael of Drimna Lodge and Fox and Geese isn't the Michael who married Alice as their fathers have different names.
There could be a third son James and it's his son Michael of Stone House listed as Landlord in Fox and Geese in 1901
Checking the Census again Michael Flood is Landlord in Fox and Greese and Fox and Geese Common.
Assuming it just one man.
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Wow thanks everybody for all your help.
My record are confusing as there are so many Michael Floods involved.
The Michael and Alice Flood in my records seem to agree wit the Flood family in
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Palmerstown/Ballyfermott_Lower/1290805/
That was Michael J Flood 1864 to 1901, he died on the 26th August 1901.
Alice his wife died in 1942 but i didn't know she remarried. that is very interesting.
On the 26th July 1860 Michael Flood of Fox and Geese left in his will granted at the Principle registry to Michael Flood with and Address in Drimnagh Lodge Clondalkin.
Thanks for the information Dathai on Violet Vale. I will go down there tomorrow for a look as i work in Kilmainham. I have been going to the cemetery in Goldenbridge when the weather permits to look for there headstones.
Nora Flood married the Journalist Dick Hooper, brother of Senator Patrick Hooper and son of Alderman Hooper editor of the Daily Herald in Cork.
Catherine Flood died in 1911
Eileen Flood married Michael Morgan
Phyllis married John Mooney.
thanks for the links. i will look into all them.
I think Michael Flood that married Alice, father was called John Flood. His brother was James who lived in Stone house. This would make James that died in December 1862, Michael Floods uncle. James also had a brother called Michael Flood who lived in Fox and Geese and died in 1860.
Thanks again Dathai, i came across the thread on Re: Stone House Lodge Ballyfermot/Inchicore a few months ago and reading it again last night made me post this thread.
the issue i think here is going back all the Floods were called James, Joseph, John, Michael and Pat.
All these people married and called there sons James, Joseph, John, Michael and Pat who in turn did the same thing with the odd Thomas and Francis thrown in.
I don't think ill ever find out what happened to the my family but i will keep searching.
Regards
Paul
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The address Port Lester comes up a couple of times here in Bluebell Cemetery for Flood
http://databases.dublincity.ie/cemeteries/advanced.php
other addresses
Gallanstown
Ballyfermot Ctgs
used as an arms dump after 1916
http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/reels/bmh/BMH.WS0678.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clondalkin/Drimnagh/40434/
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I think Michael Flood that married Alice, father was called John Flood. His brother was James who lived in Stone house.
Do you think the marriage cert is incorrect?
It says his father was James.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10793/5936178.pdf
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That was Michael J Flood 1864 to 1901, he died on the 26th August 1901.
There is a baptisim of Michael Joseph Inchicore born 11 on 18 March to James Flood and Anne Timmins.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633559#page/86/mode/1up
James Flood Stone House married Anne Timmins Chapelizod 22 April 1854
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633729#page/5/mode/1up
Stone House isn't clear on link but it's given as Stone House on Irish Genealogy church records.
A daughter Mary born 1858. Baptised 16 May
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633559#page/43/mode/1up
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I don't think ill ever find out what happened to the my family but i will keep searching.
Regards
Paul
I'm not clear on which family is yours so it difficult to know how to help.
It would be easier if you could give us your grandparents or if they are still living than your great grandparents names etc. And we could try to work back from there.
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Church Record of Michal Flood and Alice Tynan marriage
Number 476
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633454#page/39/mode/1up
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1869
Mary to Joseph Flood and Elizaberh Dempsey, Drimnagh. (Townland)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03397/2245973.pdf
Josephine 1870, crossed out but looks like they have moved to Blue Bell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03324/2218685.pdf
The rest of their children are born Blue Bell so I think that rules them out.
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I see in a post on Ireland Online you think Drimnagh Lodge was sold about 1864.
Griffith's Valuation has a Michael Flood in Fox and Geese Common print date 1850, he has the most valuable house so it's likely to be Drimnage Lodge.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
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Alice Tynan born December 1867 to Andrew Cullen Tynan and Elizabeth Reilly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03455/2268655.pdf
sister Catherine born 23rd Jan 1859
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m7p/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Tynan
http://www.ricorso.net/rx/az-data/authors/t/Tynan_K/life.htm
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Hi Everybody,
Thanks for all your replies and information. Sorry I've been out of action with my neck and back for the past few days.
This is the most if found out about my family. My grandfather Patrick Flood was born in Smithfield in 1907 and moved to Tipperary where he married my grandmother. My dad never knew about any of the Flood Family in Dublin until i got a genealogist to check it out about 10 years ago. This is an extract:
Griffith’s Valuation a land survey of the 1850s, recorded a Michael Flood as the lessee of large amounts of property in the parish of Clondalkin with 18 landholdings in the townland of Fox & Geese, 2 in the townland of Fox & Geese Commons, 5 in the townland of Red Cow and 4 in the townland of Yellowmeadows. Michael leased more than 100 acres of land, a quarry, brickfields, houses and offices and was also an immediate lessor (landlord).
Michael Flood died on 26th July 1860 at Fox & Geese leaving an estate of £9000 to be administered by his son, James Flood of Jamestown, Kilmainham. His property in Fox & Geese and Clondalkin were transferred to the occupancy of Michael and Francis Flood, likely sons of Michael. By 1901 Michael Flood was residing in Fox & Geese with his sisters, Mary and Elizabeth.
John Flood, son of Michael Flood Senior, left his father’s estate unadministered and administration of the estate was regranted to Michael Flood, the son, on 26th January 1888. By this time the estate had diminished to £960.
At the time of his death in 1860, Michael Flood was in possession of property valued at £9000, a not insignificant sum. It is most likely that property of this value has left a paper trail. I would recommend that we visit the Registry of Deeds to search for deeds of sale, mortgage and lease for Michael Flood for his property in the area of Clondalkin. It is possible, if the property was passed from Michael’s father, that we will find a deed that will confirm Michael’s father’s name and possibly identify earlier generations of the Flood family in this area.
The Flood family were involved in the manufacture of lime, and could very well have made their fortune by supplying the building boom in Dublin City in the 19th century. We can search for local history publications for the area of Clondalkin for mention of Michael Flood’s lime works and its significance in the local area.
I also got a registry of deeds in the research for land.
They also appeared in Thoms directory
Thom's Dublin City & Directory, 1840-60
Between ca. 1840 and his death in 1860 Thom's Directory contained several notices for Michael Flood. The nature of these would suggest that his business activities were increasing during this period.
1843: Michael Flood, lime and sand stores, 132 Gloucester Street, Lower.
1850: Michael Flood, brick and lime burner, 131 Gloucester Street Lower, St. Doulough's & Fox & Geese.
Lime burning was prohibited in Dublin City by the 1790s and this activity was probably carried on in Clondalkin.
1854: Michael Flood, brick and lime burner, 131 Gloucester Street Lower, St. Doulough's & Fox & Geese, Co. Dublin.
1858: Michael Flood, brick manufacturer, and lime and sand stores, 131 Gloucester Street Lower, St. Doulough's & Fox & Geese. Mr. Michael Flood, Clondalkin.
In the suburban directory this address given as Fox & Geese, Clondalkin.
Michael Flood and his family seemed to have lead and interesting life. When i checked out Newspaper.com Michael Flood and his family appear a lot.
It is very strange that they seem to have disappeared into history.
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Hi Paul
Its now two years since there was a post on this on this string but I'll respond anyway.
I've done a general survey on the Flood surname in many Leinster Counties and I have information on the Fox & Geese families. I can explain the two Michaels and the various James etc. I can send you a PDF document that gives an overview of the family.
However, if your grandfather was Patrick who married Margaret Ryan in Tipperary then I don't see you being directly related to the Clondalkin Family. His father was Richard and I also have details on his pedigree.
I won't write anymore in case youve given reading this string.
Regards
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
i think we got him sorted in June 2018
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795490.0
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Hi Paul
Its now two years since there was a post on this on this string but I'll respond anyway.
I've done a general survey on the Flood surname in many Leinster Counties and I have information on the Fox & Geese families. I can explain the two Michaels and the various James etc. I can send you a PDF document that gives an overview of the family.
However, if your grandfather was Patrick who married Margaret Ryan in Tipperary then I don't see you being directly related to the Clondalkin Family. His father was Richard and I also have details on his pedigree.
I won't write anymore in case youve given reading this string.
Regards
Gerry
Hi Gerry,
Thank you for getting in touch. Yes we got this sorted. I was looking at the wrong family.
If you have information on Richard who actually is my great grandfather that would be brilliant. Patrick and Richard (Dick) both moved to Tipperary. We never met or heard from any of the Flood family in Dublin after that so i have nothing on them. Anything at all would be amazing.
regards
Paul
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Hello
In Bluebell cemetery there is a headstone with the following inscription:
This Stone is erected to the memory
of Mrs Mary Berry who departed this
life the 29th day of May 1818, aged 27 years
The corresponding death notice in the Freeman's Journal (which matches the date of death on the headstone) states that she died, after a long illness, at the residence of her father in Fox & Geese, Dublin.
I have a gut instinct that Mary Berry was a Flood. If the age on her headstone is correct then, judging by the stated ages of her husband's children, I think she may have been the second wife of Patrick Berry.
If you happen to have any records of any conections to the Berry family, I would be very interested.
Thank you
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According to his July 1860 newspaper death notice, Michael Flood was 65 when he died