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Title: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: mackaa on Wednesday 30 May 18 12:13 BST (UK)
Thanks in advance wonderful people
I am trying to decipher some words in the attached marriage.
Where and when ...  Does it say schoolroom ?
Residence husband ... does it say The ? flats?
Residence wife ... does it say "The Chapman?
Can you decipher the names of the witnesses?
Appreciate any help you can offer.
Melanie


Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: josey on Wednesday 30 May 18 12:18 BST (UK)
Jan 2 1867
Yes, The Schoolroom, Gouldson; yes .....agh Flats; yes The Chapman [maybe a hotel?]
2nd witness Mary Anne Mountain [made mark]
Still working on ....flats & 1st witness..... ???

ADDED; Think 1st witness surname begins with D or maybe B - maybe DONALD? First name John & second name is an abbreviation maybe beginning with S.
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: suzyvan on Wednesday 30 May 18 12:46 BST (UK)
Yes is School Room Geraldton; Greenough Flats and Chapman and The Chapman known as Chapman Valley all around Geraldton, North of Perth West Aust
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: josey on Wednesday 30 May 18 12:48 BST (UK)
Brill, local knowledge is a wonderful thing...
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: suzyvan on Wednesday 30 May 18 13:04 BST (UK)
Second witness Mary Ann Mountain maybe relative of bride?
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: mackaa on Wednesday 30 May 18 13:08 BST (UK)
 Thanks so much so far.  Details of schoolroom confirmed and places of residence thanks.  Will look into both a little more during the time frame.  Yes I am hoping Mary Ann is a relative.  Just a question here ... do you think it is Mary Anne or perhaps Mary Jane?  Expert handwriting advice appreciated.  Also any luck with first witness ?? I think John for first name?
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: suzyvan on Wednesday 30 May 18 13:20 BST (UK)
Yes it is Mary Ann Mountain and she married Henry William Sheild 1869 Chapman River Geraldton.
Still working on John Surname starting with D …...
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: Nailer1 on Wednesday 30 May 18 15:02 BST (UK)
How about John McDonald. !!
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: josey on Wednesday 30 May 18 18:43 BST (UK)
I see what you mean, but as I see it the middle name has a horizontal bar at the end with a raised letter, which usually means a contraction as in bride's father's name Jas with a dot under the 's' - for James. It could of course be Mac  ......
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: Bookbox on Wednesday 30 May 18 20:35 BST (UK)
I think that is a good possibility, but perhaps written ... John Mc Donald ?
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: suzyvan on Thursday 31 May 18 01:15 BST (UK)
It doesn't match the rest of the d's on the end of other words, I agree with the mac or mc part.
All the bridal party signed with an x so that doesn't help matters either.
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: mackaa on Thursday 31 May 18 06:30 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone for your suggestions.  Your have certainly solved a few of my questions.

The first witness is definitely John in my opinion.  I am not sure about the Mc or Mac.  In all the other M's at the beginning of words there seems to be a little loop at the start of the M.  The first witness middle name or abbreviation comes from the bottom??  With regards the surname Donald appears to fit but perhaps it is Donale?  Given he was a convict and so was Catherine's father I think I will do a troll through the convict database to see if anything jumps out at me.
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: josey on Thursday 31 May 18 08:24 BST (UK)
All the bridal party signed with an x so that doesn't help matters either.
As I see only the bride & 2nd witness made their mark, bridegroom & 1st witness signed. 
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: suzyvan on Thursday 31 May 18 08:45 BST (UK)
 Yes I stand corrected on that was just back looking for witness and noticed I had made an error.
Title: Re: MARRIAGE DETAILS PLEASE
Post by: josey on Thursday 31 May 18 09:09 BST (UK)
Can't count the number of times I've done that  ;) ;D ;D