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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Smedrockd on Monday 28 May 18 18:36 BST (UK)
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I'd be grateful to anyone who might be able to help me trace any relatives or descendants of twin girls, Kathleen and Theresa Frances Quigley, who were born on 13th May 1913 in Clones. Their parents were Phillip Quigley and Mary Anne (formerly Beggan). Catherine Quigley was present at their birth.
I've done the usual Ancestry searches but wondered if anyone had any local knowledge abut the Quigley or Beggan families, or might have some tips on where to look. They might have grandchildren still in the area?
Many thanks
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Hello and welcome :)
I can’t see anything either. Is it your family? Were there other children who may have moved away and the sisters followed?
I am presuming this is the parents in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Newbliss/Crossreagh/805269/
If you search for Quigley and Newbliss, there are some people on Facebook and a local pub owned by people of that name. You could contact someone in this way to see if they know of your family.
That’s all I can think of, sorry.
Heywood
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A possible.
A Theresa Quigley married in Dublin in 1939 her father was Philip, one of the witness is Kathleen ? difficult to read.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08920/5226067.pdf
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Mary Elizabeth born 15 April 1912?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01480/1602672.pdf
Sarah born 26 May 1915?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01376/1566501.pdf
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Thanks very much for the welcome and for all the helpful suggestions.
Heywood, well, is it my family? - you’re asking a question I’m asking myself. But so far it seems like it might be.
Thank you Sinann and gaffy for the links to irishgenealogy.ie. They all seem good. Most of my research has been in England so I wasn’t familiar with this site. Seems very useful.
It’s a shame the marriage certificate isn’t so clear. I’d love to know what Kathleen’s surname is – Dodson? Budgen? Anyone else hazard a guess? (see attached image)
If anyone comes up with any more links, by all means please share them.
Many thanks,
P
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I make it Dodson.
You could try looking for her on 1911 Census
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Hello and welcome :)
I can’t see anything either. Is it your family? Were there other children who may have moved away and the sisters followed?
I am presuming this is the parents in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Newbliss/Crossreagh/805269/
If you search for Quigley and Newbliss, there are some people on Facebook and a local pub owned by people of that name. You could contact someone in this way to see if they know of your family.
That’s all I can think of, sorry.
Heywood
Annie McGinn's Pub was bought by her father Hugh McGinn in 1912. ... The pub was bought by Kieran & Emily Quigley in March 2017.
https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attraction_Review-g551571-d12996920-Reviews-Annie_Mc_Ginn_s_Pub-Newbliss_County_Monaghan.html
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Philip QUIGLEY m Mary Anne BEGGAN on May 24 1910 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09984/5630758.pdf)
Witnesses John MURRAY & Jane BEGGAN
Jane was her sister and they are together with their parents and sibling on the 1901 census LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Newbliss/Rabous/1632347/)
Their mother Ann is with Hugh and Ellen on the 1911 census
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Newbliss/Rabows/805368/)
Michael BEAGAN/BEGGAN died on Sep 30 1905
but I think that this is Jane in 1911 with her brother John in Antrim
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls/Cairns_Street/172659/)
The area they lived in is very close to the border with Northern Ireland which could place them in PRONI records.
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http://www.myheritage.com/names/kathleen_quigley
was she a nun? or their sister?
Philip Born 8.6.1871
Mary 1886, Rabows Clones (Beggan) Beagan
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If rathmore's find is correct
Kathleen QUIGLEY; Sr. W. Phillip travelled from New York to Cobh on the SS Washington
on Jul 06 1949 aged 36
She was a naturalised US citizen since 6/10/40 (presumable US order of Jun 10 1940)
Her address was given as Ursuline Convent, Blue Point, LI NY
LINK (https://www.nytimes.com/1985/04/07/nyregion/long-island-journal-a-party-is-in-order.html) to article about Sr. Philip(Kathleen) and her sister Sr. Martha
It doesn't state if Martha was a birth name or name in religion but does state she was 73 years old at the time of writing which was 1985 implies born c1912
Philip QUIGLEY and Mary Anne BEGGAN had a daughter Mary Elizabeth on April 15 1912 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01480/1602672.pdf) #170
Martha Quigley died Aug 10 1995 in New York; DoB 15 Apr 1912
Last Residence: 11432 Jamaica, Queens, New York, USA
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There is a family tree on ancestry that shows Theresa Frances QUIGLEY married John O'BRIEN as suggested
There are no children shown, although that does not imply she didn't have any.
She died in 1994
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Thanks again to everyone for their contributions. I have to say I’m impressed with you lot.
I'm glad you said that hallmark – I thought Dodson was the best match too.
The info on Annie McGinn’s pub is also useful – if I don’t contact them I’d like to visit sometime!
Thanks myluck! For the details on the Beggans/Beagans, and for the tip to look in PRONI records.
Rathmore, I appreciate the birth record - I would never have made the link with Phillippus Quigly.
Not sure about the nun(s), but anything’s possible
Overall, some useful background but I’m still not sure it’s my family, although there’s some consistencies. The Kathleen at Theresa’s marriage in Dublin is looking less like our Kathleen from Clones, as there was a Kathleen Dodson who had been living nearby in Rathmines (from 1911 census) and who would’ve been 35 at the time of the marriage. Theresa might be hard to trace too – there are not a shortage John O’Briens out there.
I also need to work on finding siblings for Philip Quigley (b.1871).
I any case, your suggestions have helped me make lots of progress
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based on the family tree link on myheritage where there are photographs and specific details I would be confident that the Kathleen QUIGLEY was Sr. Philip as described.
Also based on the date of birth given at the time of the death of Sr. Martha that she was Mary Elizabeth QUIGLEY.
It doesn't help locate Teresa immediately but I would start by contacting that tree owner who must be in some way closely connected.
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I joined RootsChat about an hour ago. I decided to search for one of my most challenging queries. I found this discussion right away.
Philip Quigley (Abt. 1833-Unknown) was my 2x Great Grandfather. He was Married to 1st Elizabeth Reilly 2nd Elizabeth McCabe. The Philip Quigley in this discussion is a child of the 2nd Marriage. I have some information on Philip Quigley (b.1871) and Mary Ann Beggan, but I doubt I have anything more than this chat has already revealed.
Once I have familiarised myself with the process of adding a new thread, I will add a post to discuss finding Birth and Death of My 2x Great Grandfather Philip Quigley (1833-Unknown). I know he left Scotland (to return to Ireland) in 1871, right after the Census. Philip 1871 was born in Crossreagh. My aim is to find out more about his father. When did he die, where is he buried.
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Mary Elizabeth born 15 April 1912?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01480/1602672.pdf
Sarah born 26 May 1915?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01376/1566501.pdf
I have a birth record for the Twins
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01450/1592768.pdf
Both born 1913 Thirteenth May, Crossreagh.
Father - Philip Quigley, Crossreagh.
Mother - Mary Anne Quigley, formerly Beggan.
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Catherine Quigley was present at their birth.
I've looked at the 1911 census record and found James Quigley, wife Catherine Quigley. Could this be the "Catherine" present at Birth? Further research of Catherine shows her maiden name as Catherine McMahon who Married James Quigley 13 Jun 1889 at Scotshouse.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10735/5914166.pdf
I've reviewed the marriage record and the Place name for Catherine McMahon on the Marriage record. Unknown, Scotshouse. This Unknown part may be a Townland e.g. - Drumfurrer, Drumgreeny, Drumady, or Dunraymond (or something else entirely). Cannot quite decipher it.
By 1913, if this is the correct Catherine, she had had 7 children by this time and would have been a great support at time of Birth of the Twins
My thoughts, based on this now turn to possible family links between James Quigley (in Crossreagh in 1911 aged 57) and my area of interest Philip Quigley (in Crossreagh 1911 aged 78). How might these two be connected?
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I also need to work on finding siblings for Philip Quigley (b.1871).
I realise I'm very late to this conversation, however it may be read again at a later date and so worth recording now. Following is an Outline Descendant Report for Philip Quigley 1833-Unknown. He is the Father of the Philip Quigley 1871-1934 in this Topic.
Philip Quigley 1833-Unknown was married twice. 1st to Elizabeth Reilly, who died in 1866. They had 5 children together. 2nd to Elizabeth McCabe Abt.1836-Unknown. They had 3 children together.
The attached Picture is an Outline Descendant Report (From FTM) showing all of the known siblings (half and full) of Philip Quigley 1871-1934
All of this is still work in progress and is subject to change as I continue my research.