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Hi,
This may be a mystery to old to solve but please bear with me.
Selina Wilton (later Weyman) married Stephen Feening born approx 1878 at the Penrith Presbyterian Church on 11.06.1906.
At the time it was noted he was a greengrocer. that lived in Penrith, NSW.
That evening (wedding day) he kissed Selina goodbye, said he had business in Sydney to take care of and he'd return in a few days. He was never seen again.
25.06.1906 - Petitioner took out a warrant for Stephen's arrest on the grounds of wife desertion.
A divorce was granted to Selina 30.08.1911
I know Stephen's parents were John Feening 1850 - 1923 and Martha M Barker 1852 - 1919.
He had a brother Frederick Feening 1881 - 1960. This brother had two children that I know of, Stanley Feening b. 1905 and his sister Vera May Feening b. 1907.
Stephen Feening's other siblings - Henry b. 1872, Isaiah b. 1875, Jacob b. 1876, William b. 1880, Ernest F b. 1892, John b. 1883, Elizabeth b. 1887, Alfred b. 1889, May M b. 1894.
Are there any living relatives out there where any of the above might apply to their family tree??
The thought is he took off and started a new life somewhere else to escape the responsibilities of marriage however he could have just as easily met his death soon after his wedding.
Selina (names after my great grandmother)
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Was Selina WILTON by birth or marriage?
A birth
WILTON Selina M
4460/1903
Parents Charles H & Selina
At WEST MAITLAND
Sue
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NSW Electoral Roll 1902 PARRAMATTA, polling at Penrith
Henry FEENING, of Penrith, labourer
Stephen FEENING, Union Road, labourer
Annie WILTON, Hornseywood, domestic duties
Evelyn WILTON, Lemon-grove, domestic duties
Joseph WILTON, of Penrith, engine-cleaner
JM
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NSW Electoral Roll 1902 HUNTER, polling West Maitland
Sarah Ann WILTON, of Wyndella, domestic duties
JM
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John FEENING the father died in 1923
His obituary states
He is survived by 2 daughters and seven sons. A son (this is William) killed ww1 and one in America
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104681992
Sue
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In Martha's obituary,1919, Stephen (EDIT to add -in America) is listed among her children still living.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/86192328
Sue
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NSW Electoral Roll 1902 PARRAMATTA, polling St Marys
Frederick FENNING of Kingswood, tanner
Martha FENNING, of Cambridge Park, domestic duties
William FENNING, of Cambridge Park, tanner
John FIENING, (NO, that's not a spelling mistake or typo by JM, but perhaps a printers error back in 1902 so I am noting it here :) ), Cambridge Park, railway fettler
JM
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Was Selina WILTON by birth or marriage?
A birth
WILTON Selina M
4460/1903
Parents Charles H & Selina
At WEST MAITLAND
Sue
This is another Selina WILTON, NOT the one of the FEENING marriage.
Apologies for misleading information.
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In Martha's obituary,1919, Stephen (EDIT to add -in America) is listed among her children still living.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/86192328
Sue
Departure records from Australia are sparse. ;D
The American board of Rootschat may be able to help.
I do not have access to USA shipping records.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Selina Wilton (name Wilton) by birth. Her parents were Thomas Wilton & Elizabeth Payne.
Thank you so much for posting the links to the obituaries!! Very interesting indeed. Those dates and info definitely match up to the information I have on Stephen Feening's parents. I guess from here I try and find out if Stephen went to America soon after??
Selina
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Hi Sue,
Selina Wilton (name Wilton) by birth. Her parents were Thomas Wilton & Elizabeth Payne.
Thank you so much for posting the links to the obituaries!! Very interesting indeed. Those dates and info definitely match up to the information I have on Stephen Feening's parents. I guess from here I try and find out if Stephen went to America soon after??
Selina
Yes, I did see my error with the wrong Selina and have noted it.
I suggest you post a summary of what you know and put it on the USA board of Rootschat. If there are records of him, they may turn up there.
I do suspect though he may have used an assumed name and this will make tracking hard.
ADDING, as a reflection.
I do find it surprising that his "respectable" family must have had full knowledge of the marriage, and knowledge of his whereabouts ( at least by 1919, and I suspect all along) ::)
After all, the papers were full of it. :-\
one wonders at the reasoning here.
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Hi Sue,
Selina Wilton (name Wilton) by birth. Her parents were Thomas Wilton & Elizabeth Payne.
Thank you so much for posting the links to the obituaries!! Very interesting indeed. Those dates and info definitely match up to the information I have on Stephen Feening's parents. I guess from here I try and find out if Stephen went to America soon after??
Selina
Yes, I did see my error with the wrong Selina and have noted it.
I suggest you post a summary of what you know and put it on the USA board of Rootschat. If there are records of him, they may turn up there.
I do suspect though he may have used an assumed name and this will make tracking hard.
Thanks again Sue!! I agree, he most likely changed his name as I'm sure through family he was made aware that a warrant was out for his arrest. I'll try my best on the American site. Half the mystery was whether he was alive or dead shortly after taking off and this may have solved that.
Selina
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Hi Sue,
Selina Wilton (name Wilton) by birth. Her parents were Thomas Wilton & Elizabeth Payne.
Thank you so much for posting the links to the obituaries!! Very interesting indeed. Those dates and info definitely match up to the information I have on Stephen Feening's parents. I guess from here I try and find out if Stephen went to America soon after??
Selina
Yes, I did see my error with the wrong Selina and have noted it.
I suggest you post a summary of what you know and put it on the USA board of Rootschat. If there are records of him, they may turn up there.
I do suspect though he may have used an assumed name and this will make tracking hard.
Thanks again Sue!! I agree, he most likely changed his name as I'm sure through family he was made aware that a warrant was out for his arrest. I'll try my best on the American site. Half the mystery was whether he was alive or dead shortly after taking off and this may have solved that.
Selina
Yes. I also feel his family knew where he was all along. They're all long gone now so I feel it'll always be an unsolved mystery. Unless some great great grandson remembers him talking about it in his later years.
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"..A divorce was granted to Selina 30.08.1911"
Have you read this divorce file?.
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"..A divorce was granted to Selina 30.08.1911"
Have you read this divorce file?.
Hi there,
Yes, thank you. I have seen a copy of this and have it saved. It's an interesting read, they clearly still didn't know what had become of him in 1911.
Selina
**On second thoughts. do you mind sharing what you have? I'll make sure it's the same as my own.**
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Hi Selina,
A report of the divorce in 1911 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article238859604
However on NSW State archives, the divorce index seems to have
#7654 1911 Selina FEENING, petitioner, George Herbert SMITH, respondent
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m46/
Was this thought to be Stephen's alias?
I am happy to photograph the divorce record if you can't find it (as well as John's probate :) )
Ros
adding : Perhaps it is a mistake on the archives website index. It seems George Herbert SMITH was divorced in 1911 from Catherine SMITH http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221541534 and
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221538789
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Hi Selina,
A report of the divorce in 1911 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article238859604
However on NSW State archives, the divorce index seems to have
#7654 1911 Selina FEENING, petitioner, George Herbert SMITH, respondent
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m46/
Was this thought to be Stephen's alias?
I am happy to photograph the divorce record if you can't find it (as well as John's probate :) )
Ros
adding : Perhaps it is a mistake on the archives website index. It seems George Herbert SMITH was divorced in 1911 from Catherine SMITH http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221541534 and
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221538789
Hi Ros,
I agree, it may be an error on the archives website index...
If you don't mind taking a photo of the divorce info along with John's stuff that would be great :) Thank you!! :)
Selina
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No problem in photographing them both Selina :)
There were missing divorces on the index after the upgrade of the Archives site a few years ago but I thought they had fixed this. But yes this index entry looks like a tangle of 2 different divorces.
Ros
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Selina, Why would your Stephen Marry then leave his bride never to return, it makes no sense, maybe after time he might have decided he had made a mistake & leave, but on his wedding day, why get married at all. Is there any evidence something bad happened to him on the way to or in Sydney.
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I wonder if the family did have any contact with him later when they said he was "in America", or if that was the story that was told among the family - perhaps he'd previously expressed a desire to travel there and they presumed that's most likely where he was, or that was an easier explanation for his disappearance than "he got married and then ran off and we don't know where he is".
The wording is very generic, and there is absolutely no sign of him on US censuses.
Have you seen the will of John Feening?
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There is a will and probate packet for John FEENING at NSW state archives which Selina asked me to photograph for her . I am hoping to get there on Thursday.
Probate ad http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article104681977
I reported the problem with the indexing of divorce to the Archives (and they have replied acknowledging error and saying they will fix this).
Ros
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Selina, Why would your Stephen Marry then leave his bride never to return, it makes no sense, maybe after time he might have decided he had made a mistake & leave, but on his wedding day, why get married at all. Is there any evidence something bad happened to him on the way to or in Sydney.
Hi! I'm sorry, I completely missed this message. My family thought the same! It's so odd to leave on your wedding night. I agree, fleeing before or some time after would have made more sense but to actually marry, place your new bride in a coach and the disappear? We thought something may have happened to him until recently when we came across Stephen's parent's obituaries. In his mother's obituary it mentions being survived by numerous children. Next to each child's name is a place. Listed was Stephen, America. As far as we can tell there was only one son called Stephen (it would be odd to call two the same name). His father's obituary, although doesn't give a name, mentions a son in America. It's the best we've come up with so far...?
Selina
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Hi Everyone,
Ros was so kind to photograph John Feening's will and send it to me. Unfortunately there is no juicy info there to help us unravel this mystery. He basically left everything to his dear daughter May Martha and she's the only child he mentions throughout the will. Not sure where to go from here.
I've no idea if he did go to America or like suggested it was a cover up by the family. There were warrants out for his arrest so if he did travel to America I doubt he would of used his real name which makes it near impossible to trace further.
Thanks again Ros. I really appreciate your help and everyone else! There has been some great suggestions!
Selina
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The wording is very generic, and there is absolutely no sign of him on US censuses.
Hi :) Can I ask where you searched US censuses? I doubt he would of used his real name but he may have used his mum's maiden name or even Selina's last name?? (If he went to America at all)
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I looked for Stephens born Australia of about the right time on Familysearch.org Certainly none with any of the known family surnames appear.
A Stephen Rowe born Australia last resident Perth arrived in Honolulu in 1909 and was in the 1910 census but his arrival record shows relatives in Australia and in the US which don't look to match up with your family.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLCT-DGX
Unfortunately a lot of people born in the Austro-Hungarian empire seem to be recorded as "Aus" which doesn't help the search.
By the time brother Alfred passed in 1949, Stephen is not along the list of siblings in his death notice:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18116313?searchTerm="Alfred%20Feening"
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Hi Jo,
Thank you for doing that search for me. This may have to remain an unsolved mystery by the looks of it. I actually found a man and his grandfather was Stephen's brother's son. He, himself however could not remember any talk of a Stephen, which given the time, is understandable. Thanks also for that link to his brother's obituary. I'm guessing if he was still alive then he'd be in in 70's.
Sel
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I am going to make a speculative suggestion here as to Stephen's motivation.
Selina was expecting, or thought she was expecting a baby .
There is not a birth record that I can locate, but as we sadly know, not all pregnancies reach full term.
Or
The couple already had an exnuptial child.
Stephen was not prepared to take on married life, but elected matrimony to make and honest women of Selina. There may have been family pressure from either side.
As soon as the paperwork was completed, he disappeared.
A transcription of the marriage certificate may reveal something, such as a shared residential address.
One of the many reliable agents for transcription.
http://www.joymurrin.com.au/shop/nsw-transcription/
What you can see on a marriage certificate NSW.
MARRIAGE
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Bride's mothers name
Sue
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May I add to Sue's speculations ...
I wonder if there would be medical records noting he may have become vision impaired… perhaps long after the following incident … or perhaps the horse drawing the carriage that he put his bride into may have spooked Stephen flashing back memories to the horse and whip incident that is detailed in the following cutting:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101355198 Nepean Times 9 Nov 1901.
JM
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A transcription of the marriage certificate may reveal something, such as a shared residential address.
Sue
There is a marriage certificate in the divorce papers, Sue. It doesn't seem to reveal anything.
I'll try to add a snip.
Ros
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A transcription of the marriage certificate may reveal something, such as a shared residential address.
Sue
There is a marriage certificate in the divorce papers, Sue. It doesn't seem to reveal anything.
I'll try to add a snip.
Ros
I had not realised the certificate was included in the file. :D
Interesting news item from JM.
I would be surprised if there was not a permanent effect on the eyesight from that mishap.
Sue
ADDING a linked copy or snip of the certificate would be interesting, if possible. Ros.
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Marriage certificate snips
Ros
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Selina was expecting, or thought she was expecting a baby .
There is not a birth record that I can locate, but as we sadly know, not all pregnancies reach full term.
Or
The couple already had an exnuptial child.
Stephen was not prepared to take on married life, but elected matrimony to make and honest women of Selina. There may have been family pressure from either side.
As soon as the paperwork was completed, he disappeared.
Sue
Perhaps, we'll never really know. I know there was no child out of wedlock. My family is full of unwed mothers so I doubt she would have been shamed here. I've also been made aware of her life and character and if there was a child there, with or without a husband, she would of hung on to them. She could of however, thought she was pregnant. You're right. The divorce court papers are lengthy but we know they didn't live together. The night he disappeared he told Selina he was going into Sydney to see about a home. She went home to her grandparents (her own parents are dead by now) and he went and stayed at his fathers. If they'd shared an address you would think one or both of them would have retreated there on their wedding night? Oh the mystery!! :)
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I wonder if there would be medical records noting he may have become vision impaired…
JM
Hi JM :) I haven't found any medical records but I'll keep looking. When they put a warrant out for his arrest, they added a description of what he looked like. There was no mention of part blindness or obvious eye injuries (doesn't mean he wasn't vision impaired but leads me to believe it wasn't obvious).
Sel
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I have checked the death notices for some other siblings in case one was closer to Stephen. However none of these mention any brothers or sisters.
Ros
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Police description...
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I have checked the death notices for some other siblings in case one was closer to Stephen. However none of these mention any brothers or sisters.
Ros
Ros - you've given me an idea here! John Feening (Stephen's father) and May Martha (sister) were clearly very close. John left her everything in his final will as well as leaving her in charge of his affairs even though he had numerous children still alive including a handful of sons. I wonder if any of May's children are still around and remember her speaking about her past... hmmmm!
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Mmmm..
Well, forgive me for being pedantic about irrelevant aspects of this converstation, but if you're getting married on a day, don't you usually have arrangements for shared lodgings that night?
He obviously had an income ,as a greengrocer so it's not that and if he planned marriage with a "lead-in time" which there must have been, he should have been thinking ahead about the marital abode ::) :P
Her going home to gran seems very odd to me and I am beginning to wonder about Selina's side of the story.
Sue
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Mmmm..
Well, forgive me for being pedantic about irrelevant aspects of this converstation, but if you're getting married on a day, don't you usually have arrangements for shared lodgings that night?
He obviously had an income ,as a greengrocer so it's not that and if he planned marriage with a "lead-in time" which there must have been, he should have been thinking ahead about the marital abode ::) :P
Her going home to gran seems very odd to me and I am beginning to wonder about Selina's side of the story.
Sue
I too thought it rather odd to be heading separate ways on their wedding night...? In their divorce court papers it was noted that Stephen placed Selina in a coach and sent her home to her grandparents as he had an early start to Sydney the next morning. I'll see if I can get the exact wording copied here. Not sure if it's relevant but it also came out a day or two after the wedding that Stephen hadn't paid the coach driver.
Sel
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Whoops I notice I mislabelled May Martha RIORDAN's death notice as Martha May RIORDAN's death notice. Sorry!
I was just double-checking that I had the correct lady by searching for her death in the NSW BDM in 1971 and even with wildcards I cannot find her death in the index (to check her parents). ???
Selina, I did check for a probate for May Martha RIORDAN in case she kept in contact with Stephen
(and was responsible for divying up the probate from the father). But none there.
Sue I will send you a link to the divorce to cast your eagle eyes over them.
Ros
adding 2.42pm : found it on NSW BDM under surname of O'RIORDAN and with parents of Martha and John
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Selina, I did check for a probate for May Martha RIORDAN in case she kept in contact with Stephen
(and was responsible for divying up the probate from the father). But none there.
Ros
Good thinking Ros! Bugger there wasn't one there but thank you for checking!! :)
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Just adding that I found the death on NSW BDM indexed under O'RIORDAN May Martha, with father John and mother Martha at Blacktown.
Yes a pity Selina ...
adding : and yes I checked for a probate under O'RIORDAN but no
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As a long shot I have been reading through the WW1 service records for his brothers Alfred and William to see if perhaps Stephen enlisted under a brother's name.
William FEENING https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=11989259
I think we can discount William as sadly he was killed in the war. There are details of correspondence between Army and father about what was to be put on the grave and surely his father would have revealed his real name at this point! (one anomaly is that father initially requested a Star of David on the grave although he was C of E but this seemed to be a mistake).
Alfred FEENING https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8334005
Alfred is 5'4" with brown hair and blue eyes - not impossible I suppose (but Stephen was 5'6" with fair hair and blue eyes in police report). Nothing in records to indicate it was not Alfred.
Someone who is good at comparing signatures could compare with that on marriage certificate :)
Ros
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So the couple were married 11 June 1906, and by 4 July 1906 the bride had
:) already involved the police in a search for him, obviously they did not find him locally, and so
:) she had proceeded, faced a Magistrate, explained her concerns, and
:) the Magistrate approved for a warrant issued for the arrest of her husband,
So by 4 July the Penrith police had already forwarded their paperwork to Sydney for printing in the NSW Police Gazette ... to that point in time, he was still being considered as a living person .... and likely still within NSW ... (Arrest desirable within the State)
:) :) The charge was to be 'wife desertion' and no mention of a charge of 'child desertion' nor any court order requiring him to pay maintenance ... perhaps insufficient time lapsed between 11 June 1906 and the date of the warrant (earlier than 4 July '06) for there to be such court order for maintenance or more likely ... a court order for maintenance may have needed a warrant to be issued to find him in the first instance... :)
:) :) Also, err ... perhaps the marriage was not ever consummated ...
A Question : when did the suggestion he was in America first get raised ...
JM
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Here is a snip from the AIF record, page 5, November 1915, Alfred.
JM
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In my opinion ... others may well have different views :)
Compare 'S' in Alfred's address - not same hand
Compare 'F' in Alfred's signature (twice in the snip) - not same hand
Compare 'g' in Alfred's signature - not same hand
ADD snip from reverse side of 1906 marriage (similar to his signature on front)
JM
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Thanks JM :) I thought my long shot had missed the target :)
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The Electoral Roll for NSW in 1913 shows
FEENING, Stephen.
Dudley Street Roseville. Carter.
So, if this is him, he had not headed to America yet.
Sue
Adding Is this address still in existence?
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Good find Sue :)
There is a Dudley Avenue in Roseville - it comes off Archbold Road.
Ros
adding : near Clanville Rd
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We need to ask for assistance on the US board.
I do not have access to US passenger arrivals.
If he was happily using his own name on the E Roll in 1913, then he may well have departed Australia in his own name, or appeared on a US census in his own name.
Sue
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There will be hardcopy of Electoral rolls at NSW state library for each time there was an election 1913 right through the 1920s. I dont know when I will next be in Sydney so I cannot look up GORDON electorate to see if he remained there during WWI ... two referendum votes required rolls to be issued at federal level and it was compulsory to vote in those refendums.
Add ... votes were on conscription and 1916/1917.
JM
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http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1910-1919/1913-part7.pdf
Sands Directories 1913 page 764
Suburban :
ROSEVILLE
Dudley Street Off Gerald Avenue
Harry SEVIER “Rostrevor”
Edward G FASKETT, “Coologolook”
P.C. SPARK, “Eulabil”
John CANTOR, “Evena”
G.F. USHER “Strathmore”
W. WOODHOUSE
William E THOMPSON
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1910-1919/1915-part8.pdf
Sands Directories 1915 page 844
Suburban :
ROSEVILLE
Dudley Street Off Gerald Avenue
South Side
Charles NEWICK “Bristol”
William WILLIAMS
A. KALSKI
G.F. UTHER “Strathmore” (perhaps a printer’s typo Usher/Uther)
P.C. SPARK, “Eulabie”
John CANTOR, “Evena”
North side
William WOOD, “Tyneholme”
G SHAW, “Ambleside”
Mrs SKINNER
H. LOWE
F GEORGE, “Rosetrevor”
Edward FOSKETT, “Coolongolook”
A CROFT, “St Pierra”
G.S. SIEDGE, “Myola”
Here’s 1914 Sands (closing date for entries would be October 1913) for Roseville.
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1910-1919/1914-part8.pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.msg5267800#msg5267800
ADD, Sands directories were likely 'standard issue' for NSW police in that era.
JM
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A Question : when did the suggestion he was in America first get raised ...
JM
Hi JM,
The American hint we have is his mother's obituary. I'll post a pic. Not rock solid, I know, but it was something when we had nothing...
Sel
Adding: This was in July 1919
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The Electoral Roll for NSW in 1913 shows
FEENING, Stephen.
Dudley Street Roseville. Carter.
Sue
Wow!! Great work Sue!! :)
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Very short walk from Roseville to Willoughby ... especially as there's mention of several siblings at Willoughby.
;)
JM
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Very short walk from Roseville to Willoughby ... especially as there's mention of several siblings at Willoughby.
JM
JM - very very good point!!!
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Thank you so much for all the help everyone and the interest in this missing Stephen. I never would have gotten this far without everyone's thoughts and detective work!!! :)
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On the Electoral Roll, 1913, William FEENING is also a carter. He enlisted after this.
I do most seriously suspect that family knew Stephen's whereabouts all along.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Would you mind sending me a pic/link of the electoral roll for Stephen and William? I looked online but can't for the life of me find them (I am new at all this however so it could be right in front of me)...
I agree, I feel his family knew where he was all along or at least shortly after he disappeared.
I wonder if Selina herself ever found out? It appears she knew nothing when she filed for divorce years later but maybe in the years following that??
Sel
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Yes, and re the obit 1919 ... so while exact localities given for all the children and her siblings ... Stephen is "America" ... not even a state if USA and no mention of a country .... two continents for "America".
He may have remained in NSW, working and moving between various family members. Old Age Pension at 65 may have triggered some minor paper trail, but he may have become known by different surname ... variation on Feening perhaps... as it is not until 1990s that strict ID practices were introduced in Australian states - Quintex scandal and the late Christopher Skates etc.
JM
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Just adding the details on William's roll entry.
Hartley Katoomba Polling Place.
FEENING, William
Leichardt Street
Carter
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Would you mind sending me a pic/link of the electoral roll for Stephen and William? I looked online but can't for the life of me find them (I am new at all this however so it could be right in front of me)...
Sel
They are sourced from Findmypast.
Ancestry does not appear to have them.
There is nothing more to see than what I have given.
Sue
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Ancestry has the NSW 1913 ER. - :)
:)
Using a name from the Sands posting for Dudley St Roseville
NSW ER 1913, GORDON, polling at Roseville
John CANTOR, Dudley Street, salesman.
Actually, the first surname listed for the 1913 ER polling at Roseville is for four people with surname ABBOTT all in Dudley Street.
I wonder if when Ancestry uploaded the ER for Roseville 1913, err perhaps they have missed INDEXING it :-X I found Cantor the 'long way' ... I searched for SMITH, Gordon NSW and restricted it to EXACT 1913. Then I fiddled with the polling place option and let fingers do the walking etc...
ADD, I have 1913 on two CDs ::) sorry for not considering checking there earlier.
JM
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Ancestry has the NSW 1913 ER. - :)
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JM
Yes, I know ,but what I am saying is that Ancestry does not have the entries for Stephen FEENING or William FEENING .
Perhaps they are there somewhere, but not in the correct spelling.
Sue
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I had a quick look to see if Elizabeth MALLARD nee FEENING (sister)had lived in Dudley Street, but no.
She and her husband stuck to the High Street, Willoughby area.
Sue
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I doubt the Ancestry 1913 ER for Roseville polling place has actually been indexed... There's 17 pages, I have walked through looking for each name listed in Sands 1913, 1915 and I can find them on a walk through .... BUT I am having trouble reproducing any returns using the Ancestry search box, and limiting it to 1913 exact. Anyway, most of the surnames listed in Sands 1913 - 1915 for Dudley Street are matching up to the walk through with street as Dudley ... and on full walk through there's accountant, auctioneer, clerk, carpenter, typiste, estate agent, fitter, nurse, domestic duties, etc ...
One of my living ancestors, born 1910s, was raised on Boundary St, Roseville which is main thoroughfare now. Brick homes Federation style, outside toilet, 1/2 acre, vegetable patch in back yard etc..
ADD ... (as per phone call from said rellie) NO boarding houses in Dudley St Roseville 1913 BUT check if boarding houses in Leichhardt St Katoomba for William Feening.
So I did ::) ::) ... yes, boarding house keeper is occupation for a Mary Ann EVENS on Leichhardt St Katoomba, also with same surname (EVENS with E) George Alfred, labourer.
JM