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Hello :)
I'm looking for a william demaine born 1679 in pateley bridge, but i'm not 100% certain whether he was born here. His christned name is gulielmi demaine. I'm not sure who he married but he had children. Hellena, issabella, anthonius, margreta and william. They all have latin names, which i'm not sure why? I know my surname is french orgin. I would love to know any information about gulielmi and who his parents were, i've hit a dead end.
Thank you.
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Welcome :)
It’s unlikely that they actually had Latin names, but names were Latinised in some church records. Were they Roman Catholic?
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Welcome to RootsChat!
At that period many parish registers were written in Latin, so it's not unusual to find the Latin version of ordinary English names. Some online databases are clever enough to realise that Gulielmus and William are the same name, but with others you might need to search for both.
I'm not aware of having any Demaine ancestors myself, but I have come across the name in the Skipton area, so that might be worth a look. There was also a vicar of Kildwick called Demaine, though about 100 years later than you're currently looking.
Sorry I can't help any more, but good luck.
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Where is pateley bridge?
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Where is pateley bridge?
It is in Yorkshire, not far from Harrogate.
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I'm looking for a william demaine born 1679 in pateley bridge
And a warm welcome to Rootschat from me. :)
Could you let us know where the information about the birthplace and year comes from? (Is it a transcript, an online tree, a deduction based on other sources?)
As arthurk says, there are several Demaines (with spelling variants) in the Skipton area (based on transcriptions on FreeREG) around the mid 1600s, but I haven't spotted a baptism for William c1679 yet - although not all parish registers have been transcribed.
Depending on when the children were baptised, there is a possible marriage (on FreeREG) 27 Sep 1715 Fewston (which is near Harrogate, about 10 miles from Pately Bridge) - William DEMAYNE and Margat BUTTERY. (This might be the same person as William DUMAINE, son of John, baptised 19 Nov 1693 in Fewston).
No definitive solutions yet, but Rootschatters are on the case!
Philip
(p.s. - if you could cite sources for your information it would be very helpful - as you have traced the line back well over 300 years you probably already know that parish registers are far more reliable than some online trees!)
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Thank you all for your replies.
I see. I know my surname demaine isnt english origin, it's french.
I was just confused as to why william was known as gulielmi and his children were christened with latin names, now i know.
Most of my demaine ancestors were born in pateley bridge, fewston, thurscross and leeds. I know there were other demaines living in the yorkshire area but i don't think they are my ancestors. I've researched back to william demaine (gulielmi) born 1679, but i can't find his parents. All it says is FNU which could mean fathers name uknown.
Thank you.
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I've researched back to william demaine (gulielmi) born 1679, but i can't find his parents. All it says is FNU which could mean fathers name uknown.
Please - where is this information from?
Philip
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I've researched back to william demaine (gulielmi) born 1679, but i can't find his parents. All it says is FNU which could mean fathers name uknown.
Please - where is this information from?
Philip
I saw that on some online trees.
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I'm looking for a william demaine born 1679 in pateley bridge
And a warm welcome to Rootschat from me. :)
Could you let us know where the information about the birthplace and year comes from? (Is it a transcript, an online tree, a deduction based on other sources?)
As arthurk says, there are several Demaines (with spelling variants) in the Skipton area (based on transcriptions on FreeREG) around the mid 1600s, but I haven't spotted a baptism for William c1679 yet - although not all parish registers have been transcribed.
Depending on when the children were baptised, there is a possible marriage (on FreeREG) 27 Sep 1715 Fewston (which is near Harrogate, about 10 miles from Pately Bridge) - William DEMAYNE and Margat BUTTERY. (This might be the same person as William DUMAINE, son of John, baptised 19 Nov 1693 in Fewston).
No definitive solutions yet, but Rootschatters are on the case!
Philip
(p.s. - if you could cite sources for your information it would be very helpful - as you have traced the line back well over 300 years you probably already know that parish registers are far more reliable than some online trees!)
I've seen it on other people's trees, my auntie has also seen it. She's actually on ancestry.com so she can widen her search much more than me.
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I've seen it on other people's trees, my auntie has also seen it. She's actually on ancestry.com so she can widen her search much more than me.
The problem with online trees is that they don't all quote their sources and they aren't always accurate. I would be very wary of trusting trees which don't give provable sources.
I do recommend that you ensure that all entries on your tree are provable - either by images of original documents (such as Parish Registers, BMD records and censuses) or by reference to reliable transcripts of original sources (for England I use FreeREG, FreeBMD and the GRO website). Many images are downloadable from FamilySearch and various paysites.
It might be best to work back from an ancestor who you have proved from original documents or transcripts - it does take time, but you will know you are correct. Rootschatters are great at helping.
Some years ago I compared my research against three online trees and found:
One ancestor born twice, seventy years apart.
An ancestor who married her husband ten years after he died.
Two sisters who married the same man and had the same children.
Philip
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http://www.wharfegen.org.uk
Found just short of 800 named Demaine birth records in above.
Have a look at leasure, need to sign in to view. (free)
Brian
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Calverley Lad's appearance has reminded me that there's a good chunk of Nidderdale information on the Calverley.info site (also free). There's not a lot on 17th century Demaines, but the more recent information there may help to confirm what you've found in online trees.
The following should go straight to the Nidderdale section - once there, I often find the Database the easiest route to finding things.
http://www.calverley.info/home.htm
(I also find Wharfegen an excellent resource.)
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The Wharfegen shows the much older records for Nidderdale than Calverley.
Brian
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Thanks, Brian - I have a lot of interests around Kildwick, where Wharfegen is strong, and in Calverley, but not many around Nidderdale, so I hadn't ever compared their coverage there.
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2 of my DNA Demaine cousins descend from William DEMAYNE and Margat BUTTERY married at Fewston. I & 2 DNA cousins descend from the ones at Bardon-Bolton Abbey, but obviously, they all descend from the same line.
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Hi,
The following is a connection to a name index of transcribed church records for St. Michael and All Angel, Fewston, York’s. Transcribed by Rev. Thomas Parkinson.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH9-V916-4?i=212
You will see various page numbers against William Demaine, your William commences on page 166
this shows his marriage to Margaret Buttery.
There is a bpt pg 169 for Elizabeth 23.3.1717/8, So actually bpt 1718.
Birth of William, son of John pg 137. “eodem die” = the same day
This information, with images is on family search, you need to register but it is free. Easy to use when you get used to it.
Spendlove
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Hello spendlove, Thank you for that.
I'm also sending another post at the same time. This is for Philip and other persons looking for William Demain in Pateley Bridge. I’m not sure how to reply individually to them. Perhaps someone can forward it. Why are names in Latin? This was a convention in early Anglican Church records in England, that slowly gave way to English language entries. ‘Gulielmi’ means of William of William’s [the possessive case] vs Gulielmus, which would be the Latin for William. In one of the entries, it has been shortened to ‘Gul’. Early church records are sometimes scanty as pages can get damaged or lost. Every early church records were written on narrow rolls of parchment. To try to view the originals in that format is often really hard to read. Handwriting was often cramped together and the style of cursive writing was quite different from modern cursive.
Who was the William Demaine having children in Pateley Bridge? We don’t know when, where or whom he married or if he had children in other places. This William must have been born abt 1665-1680. Perhaps a close relative was: Johannes [John] Demain Marriage:13 Apr 1696 at Pateley Bridge,York,England Spouse: Anna Jackman.
Guliel Demain Baptism 8 Oct 1710 Baptism Place: Pateley Bridge,York, England Father: Gulielmi Demain
Anthonius Demain Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1700 Baptism Place: Pateley Bridge, York, Father: Gulielmi Demain
Hellena Demaine Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1702 Baptism Place: Pateley Bridge,York, Father: Gul Demaine; Hillen Demain Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1727 Marriage Place: Fewston,York, Spouse: Willm Miers.Last Will & Testament:
Ellen Myers - 29th January 1791 - Rattan Row, Parish of Fewston - Widow of William Myers All my real estate at Rattan Row to my sons John Myers, Jonathan Myers, and David Myers, chargeable with my legacies, and appoint them executors. ?2 each to my grandchildren by my late son William Myers: John Myers, William Myers, Michael Myers, Hannah Myers, Ellen Myers, and Jane Myers.
My son Jonathan Myers has already received pound or shilling? 7 from me as part of a pound or shilling ?15 legacy.
The residue of my estate to my sons.
Witnesses: William Snow, John Horsman, William Watson
Inrolled: 24th October 1793. [Source: V069 - Harrogate People & Places - Wills (www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info/wills.htm)]
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Re Pateley Bridge:
Try putting into familysearch or ancestry that location. Then surname in various spellings: Demaine-Demain- Demayne- D'main. Add approx range of years and see what pops up.
This is for Philip and other persons looking for William Demain in Pateley Bridge. I’m not sure how to reply individually to them. Perhaps someone can forward it. Why are names in Latin? This was a convention in early Anglican Church records in England, that slowly gave way to English language entries. ‘Gulielmi’ means of William of William’s [the possessive case] vs Gulielmus, which would be the Latin for William. In one of the entries, it has been shortened to ‘Gul’. Early church records are sometimes scanty as pages can get damaged or lost. Every early church records were written on narrow rolls of parchment. To try to view the originals in that format is often really hard to read. Handwriting was often cramped together and the style of cursive writing was quite different from modern cursive.
Who was the William Demaine having children in Pateley Bridge? We don’t know when, where or whom he married or is he had children in other places. This William must have been born abt 1665-1680. Perhaps a close relative was: Johannes [John] Demain Marriage:13 Apr 1696 at Pateley Bridge,York,England Spouse: Anna Jackman.
Guliel Demain Baptism 8 Oct 1710 Baptism Place: Pateley Bridge,York, England Father: Gulielmi Demain
Anthonius Demain Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1700 Baptism Place: Pateley Bridge, York, Father: Gulielmi Demain
Hellena Demaine Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1702 Baptism Place:Pateley Bridge,York, Father: Gul Demaine; Hillen Demain Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1727 Marriage Place: Fewston,York, Spouse: Willm Miers.Last Will & Testament:
Ellen Myers - 29th January 1791 - Rattan Row, Parish of Fewston - Widow of William Myers All my real estate at Rattan Row to my sons John Myers, Jonathan Myers, and David Myers, chargeable with my legacies, and appoint them executors. ?2 each to my grandchildren by my late son William Myers: John Myers, William Myers, Michael Myers, Hannah Myers, Ellen Myers, and Jane Myers.
My son Jonathan Myers has already received ?7 from me as part of a ?15 legacy.
The residue of my estate to my sons.
Witnesses: William Snow, John Horsman, William Watson
Inrolled: 24th October 1793. [Source: V069 - Harrogate People & Places - Wills (www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info/wills.htm)]
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Hi, nice to see there alot of interest on this family line, ive been trying to research the line past George in hole house and came up with a couple of things. Please take it for what it is as i havent found proff however Georges wife Dorothy paley has a family line going back to blackburn area with another home called hole house. Also as a family ''rumor'' as my great grandmother was a Demaine and her father was the last generation to live at hole house(he was born next door at the BB) and his brother sold the home. The rumor is that the family line came over to the UK at some point fleeing the Albigensian Crusade. Its not the first time ive seen this happen in my family line, its a possability the the familyline doesnt come from Maine in France but rather south France and pretended to be from the north for thier own safety. Hopefully someone can at least find a clue to this happening as im still kind of new to ancestry research.
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Sorry my mistake, the family line wasn't part of the albegensians it was the Huguenots, what I was told was the family was of nobility and left france because of catholic persecution but also has something to do with a demaine getting a servant girl pregnant too. I've come across of the family being mentioned as Huguenots but that's all I can confirm so far.