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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: irishscotgirl on Friday 11 May 18 17:41 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for information on Donald McKinnon and Mary Cameron of Scotland.
Here is the information I know:
Children of Donald McKinnon and Mary Cameron:
John McKinnon: unknown birth. Death: 7 Mar 1858 • Oban, Argyll, Scotland. John was married to Catharine McPherson (marriage date is 08 Mar 1816 in Morven, Argyll, Scotland.
I am also looking for information on the parents of Catharine McPherson (wife of John Mckinnon). I believe she died on 11 MAY 1877 in Oban, Scotland.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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If you get a copy of the death for Catherine McKinnon that will give you her parents names
There is a death on Scotlands People for a Catherine McKinnon other surname McPherson
1877 Kilmore and Kilbride aged 85 years ...might be a possibility
Rosie
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Rosie --- yes --normally the death cert from Scotland's People does give parents information -- but I had a look at this one and unfortunately it doesn't -- just gives the father's surname and 'unknown' for the mother.
What a pity.
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Rosie --- yes --normally the death cert from Scotland's People does give parents information -- but I had a look at this one and unfortunately it doesn't -- just gives the father's surname and 'unknown' for the mother.
What a pity.
That's a pity mothers name unknown was it that death in Kilmore and Kilbride ?
Rosie
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Hi Rosie -- yes that was the correct death you found.
Catherine was apparently 85 years old and died of Paralysis (1 month) - in the Poorhouse, Oban.
The informant seems to be Donald McCarty, Gatekeeper, present at the death and the registered witness was a John McDougall (names quite difficult to decipher). However it is probable that they were not relatives and wouldn't know the names of her parents.
She was described as widow of John McKinnon, General Labourer.
Hence it is a baptism which is needed to find her parents. Mary Cameron* is quite a common name. It would be helpful to obtain the names of John and Catherine's children, to see if that would help because of the naming patterns frequently used in Scotland.
I haven't looked on census records for the couple - there may just be children with them early on.
Edit -- sorry ignore the 'Cameron' - her maiden name was of course McPherson! Her father's name is simply shown as McPherson.
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John McKinnon: unknown birth. Death: 7 Mar 1858 • Oban, Argyll, Scotland. John was married to Catharine McPherson (marriage date is 08 Mar 1816 in Morven, Argyll, Scotland.
I am also looking for information on the parents of Catharine McPherson (wife of John Mckinnon). I believe she died on 11 MAY 1877 in Oban, Scotland.
It's always a help when giving info. e.g. a death date to include the age recorded & approx. date of birth from any records you have as well as a DC (which isn't always accurate).
If age fluctuates on those records it's best to put approx. between A & B as it saves a lot of work with a calculator or excel ;)
Annie
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It would be helpful to obtain the names of John and Catherine's children
I agree (in order of eldest to youngest) as well as when/where they were born.
Annie
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I think this could be the family on the 1841 Census address High Street Oban
John McKinnon age 50 occupation Labourer
Cathrine age 45
Hugh age 20
Catherine age 10
Liza age age 8
Mary age 4
There is a birth for a Mary McKinnen 14 September 1836 Lismore
John McKinnen Cathrine McPherson
Rosie
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Rosie,
That could well fit with these if some are missing/not recorded?;
All Lismore Appin and Duror
MCKINNEN MARY 19/06/1823
JOHN MCKINNEN/ MCPHERSON FR391 (FR391)
525/20 18
MCKINNEN ELIZA FORBES 09/03/1832 (Not too common a name)
JOHN MCKINNEN/CATHRINE MCPHERSON FR406 (Parents)
525/20 47
MCKINNEN MARY 14/09/1836
JOHN MCKINNEN/CATHRINE MCPHERSON FR413
525/20 61
Annie
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There is also a Eliza Forbes McKinnen 9/3/1832 Lismore
Parents John McKinnen
Catherine Mcphrson
A baptism for a Donald McKinnen 4 Jan 1830 Lismore
Just a fathers name John McKinnen
Maybe the irishscotgirl could confirm if this is same family ?
Rosie
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Annie think we both posted at the same time ;D ;D
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Annie think we both posted at the same time ;D ;D
Yep exactly!
Hopefully all the correct family as the middle name Forbes could be of use/help?
Annie
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Wow -- you two have come on a long way since I last visited this string not too long ago. Well done Super-sleuths!
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A possible for Eliza 1851?
Closest I could find to her age...
MCKINNON ELIZA 18
116/ 4/ 6 Small Isles, Argyll
I haven't looked at any transcriptions i.e. she may be within another household? Edit to add...
Living with a Mathieson family gives her PoB as Strath, Inverness (possible she didn't provide the info. or possibly an error if it's our Eliza)?
Address is Portmore, Rum (I could only find a 'Port Mor' on the Isle of Muck)
ED 2, Page 6, Sch 17, Line 20
Roll CSSCT1851_27
Small Isles have 100s of McKinnons!!!
Annie
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Catherine was apparently 85 years old and died in the Poorhouse, Oban.
She was described as widow of John McKinnon, General Labourer.
Just curious as to whether there was mention of 'Usual address' on the DC?
The fact a family member was not the informant may suggest any living family were living elsewhere?
I wonder how long Catherine had been in the Poorhouse & it may be possible to apply for records although where, I don't know although someone may know?
Annie
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Not doing too well with census records at all!
A long shot but worth keeping for now & saves others the bother, age of this Catherine is out & an additional name :-\
Piece SCT1861/549 Tobermory, Argyllshire
ED 3
Civil Parish Tobermory (Island of Mull)
Folio 0, Pg 3 Sch 21
Address High Street
MCKINNON
Catherine Head W 70 Argyllshire Kilfinichen
Marjory Dau U 25 Pauper Argyllshire, Kilninian
Annie
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Thought I’d add this for 1861 as a possible son Alexander with a father-in-Law McDougall, surname which cropped up on Catherine’s DC?
Catherine McKinnon 27 [Catherine McDougall] Dau b c 1834
Spouse Alexr McKinnon
Father Donald McDougall
Born Kilninian & Kilmore, Argyll
Address Farm Of Penmore
Reg Number 544
RD Kilninian and Kilmore (Argyll)
ED 6, Sch 8, Line 18
Roll CSSCT1861_72
Donald McDougall 72
Catherine McKinnon 27
Alexr McKinnon 34 b c 1827, Labourer, Born "Uloa, Argyllshire" ??? (Ulva, Mull)?
Robert McDougall 3
Mary McKinnon 1
Annie
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Not having much luck either with finding John and Catherine on the 1851 Census few possibilities for other members of the family ...Regarding finding records for poor relief Mitchell Library might have some records or Edinburgh ..There used to be a place in Lochgilphead that had some records
Went there several years ago ...and there is also the library in Oban
Rosie
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I'm afraid the death certificate doesn't give Catherine's normal address. It simply says -- what looks like 'L.C. Poorhouse, Oban.'
As regards her age -- shown as 85 -- if there were no family members around when she was admitted in the first place, then that could be wrong of course.
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I'm afraid the death certificate doesn't give Catherine's normal address. It simply says -- what looks like 'L.C. Poorhouse, Oban.'
Thanks P & yes that would be Lorn Combination Poorhouse.
I have now looked at the McKinnon/McDougall marriage...no help at all i.e. inconclusive!
Annie
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Residence for Alexander is Penmore (Mull), Labourer but I'm unsure of what's written in the next column above Crofter?
Heading for column 6 with 'Crofter' is;
"Name, Surname & Rank or Profession of Father, Name & Maiden Surname of Mother"
Married Derraig (Mull)
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It could be 'Weaver'?
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Just a thought --- I know that in Scotland a Crofter looked after a ptach of land --- but In the Weaving trade here in Lancashire -- a 'Crofter' bleached material.
In this case he was probably the normal Scottish Crofter --- but it's just something to bear in mind if he was a Weaver.
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It could be 'Weaver'?
That looks good & here in Scotland it wouldn't be unusual as multi-tasking was common such as Crofter/Fisherman or other.
I don't think I've ever seen a MC with such little info.
Annie