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I am hoping someone has some tips that can help take me back a bit further / help direct my research - I have traced my family in Gateshead back to George Davidson and Susanna McConville who married in Gateshead in 1863.
The marriage certificate (St Josephs Gateshead) states George was a Jobbing Labourer age 20 with Father George Davidson a Cabinet Maker, and Susanna age 21 with father Peter McConville a Jobbing Labourer. They were living in Nelson street Gateshead at the time.
My problem is that George was born in Scotland and Susanna in Ireland and though I can see them both in the Gateshead Census in 1871 and 1881 (and I think George in Gateshead 1861) I can't find anything earlier or anything later for them - any ideas or help? What resources can we search where people move between Scotland / Ireland / England?
Any help would be appreciated to help me unblock this one!
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If you estimate Suzanna's father was born c.1820, wasn't deceased at time of Marriage... you can try looking for a Death of father
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m10/ gets you Civil Reg Death results for George Davidson from 1863 to 1910
Displaying results 1 - 21 of 21.
Looking at ages at Death you can eliminate many.
You might find a George, Cabinet maker among them.
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Name GEORGE DAVIDSON
Year of Death 1881
Group Registration ID 6898423
SR District/Reg Area Monaghan
Deceased Age at Death 70
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06421/4844373.pdf
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Thanks I can look there for Susanna's father Peter as they were from Ireland - and he was alive at the time of marriage - I just wouldn't know if he was the right one as there are a lot of labourers... ? George was from Scotland...
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Sorry!!
Misread your post!!
Death results for Mc Convill from 1863 to 1910
Displaying results 1 - 16 of 16. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m11/
No Peter!
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Death results for Mc Conville from 1863 to 1910
Displaying results 1 - 58 of 58.
No Peter!
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Thanks - this branch is proving really hard to get anywhere with! no Peter - I wonder if he moved country as well...
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Have you looked to see if any applied for Pensions?
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp explains!!
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/index.jsp
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Nothing on Pensions. I can see Peter McConville (different spelling) on the original death search you recommended but there are 13... not sure how I could link him to Susanna...
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Nothing on Pensions. I can see Peter McConville (different spelling) on the original death search you recommended but there are 13... not sure how I could link him to Susanna...
There's 13, but have you looked at images to see if any match?
Then investigate that location to see if he's correct one
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Nothing on Pensions. I can see Peter McConville (different spelling) on the original death search you recommended but there are 13... not sure how I could link him to Susanna...
Obviously many of the 13 can be ignored!!
Death of PETER MCCONVILLE in 1888
Group Registration ID 6698354
SR District/Reg Area Newry
Deceased Age at Death 26
Death of PETER MCCONVILLE in 1893
Group Registration ID 3454287
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Deceased Age at Death 0
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Thanks! - I have trimmed it down to a possible 6 from the 13 - based on age range. 2 don't have images and the rest all show as farmers ... 5 of them from Newry and 1 Lurgan... no one known from the witnesses... will keep digging! I can't see any birth records for a Susanna (or even just a McConville) from 1840 - 1845 to try and narrow the search...
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Birth and death registration didn't start until 1864.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Suzanna was born Ireland, but her family might have been from anywhere!
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Hello,
Who were the witnesses at the marriage? Do their names help?
Heywood
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Hi,
If you check Durham Records Online there are some McConvil(le) burials at Gateshead including a Peter born around 1811 died 1868 abode Leonard's Court. Also a John born around 1860 died 1863 abode 6 Nelson Street.
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php
Familysearch has a couple of baptisms at St Joseph's Gateshead for a Roseanna McConvill 1862 (died 1863 of Leonard's Court from above DRO site) & 1865 dau of Peter and Catherine Nee SMITH and also a son Jacobus (James?)1859.
1861 census indexed on familysearch as McBoniel
Leonard's Court Gateshead RG09/3803/52/page 33
Peter 50 Ireland labourer in soap manufacturers
Catherine wife 34 Ireland
Peter son 12 born ?
Michael son 5 Gateshead
James son 1 Gateshead
That is a big gap between Peter & Michael - is Catherine a second wife or did some children die?
1871 Catherine a widow which ties in with burial of Peter in 1868, but they have reverted to name of SMITH
Gateshead
Catherine Smith 33? Ireland
Michael son 14 Gateshead
James son 12 Gateshead
Rose Ann dau 6 Gateshead
I have not found Susanna in the 1861 census - she may be working away from home or even visiting family back in Ireland.Her surname may be mistranscribed.
With regards to George Davidson senior - he may have remained in Scotland or moved to England with his son. Try trade directories for the Gateshead/Newcastle area . Census may have name variant Davison so best to check that too.
Hope this helps
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Thanks everyone - this is great help - everyone has been great
@Hallmark - I realise I was narrowing my focus on family searches in Ireland thanks - I will widen that out!
@Heywood - the witness names were not linked in any way I could tell but I will check the certificate again on that one!
@Fidlerslass - I need to check the certificate again as both families lived in Nelson Street in 1863 at the time of the Marriage so that John reference could be key. Also the Jacobus looks interesting - my link to George and Susanna is Jacobus (James) Davison born 1865 so there may be family names linking there....
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Thanks everyone - this is great help - everyone has been great
@Hallmark - I realise I was narrowing my focus on family searches in Ireland thanks - I will widen that out!
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Was worth a look....
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further to my last post I checked the birth registrations on the GRO website for MCConville variants with mothers maiden name Smith and Michael seems to be the first birth.
There is a marriage of a Catherine Smith on the same page as a Peter McConnell Gateshead district March quarter 1856 vol 10a p 642. May be worth getting this certificate to see if they are at Nelson Street and it should also give father's names which should help when searching Irish records.
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Thanks everyone - this is great help - everyone has been great
@Hallmark - I realise I was narrowing my focus on family searches in Ireland thanks - I will widen that out!
@Heywood - the witness names were not linked in any way I could tell but I will check the certificate again on that one!
@Fidlerslass - I need to check the certificate again as both families lived in Nelson Street in 1863 at the time of the Marriage so that John reference could be key. Also the Jacobus looks interesting - my link to George and Susanna is Jacobus (James) Davison born 1865 so there may be family names linking there....
I had spotted a Denes McConvill with a son Peter in 1871 5060/13/19 and was going to see if he could lead anywhere but fiddlerslass has some great leads.
There is also a Michael McConville and family at 1861 3799/51/51