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Title: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 05 May 18 12:00 BST (UK)
Hello,

For all I know these marriages never took place but I have found the women's maiden names from the GRO:

William Salter and Elizabeth Hobbs, living in Bremhill in the 1830s

James Moore and Sarah Pope, living in Calne and Highway in the 1840s

James Provis and Sarah Webb, living in Bremhill in the 1840s

I'd appreciate any help!

Adam
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: groom on Saturday 05 May 18 12:19 BST (UK)
Here's one: From Wiltshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1916
These are the banns rather than the marriage but may help:

James Provis
Bann Date:   11 Oct 1840  (third calling)
Bremhill, Wiltshire, England
Spouse:   Sarah Webb

James was of this parish and Sarah of ? Malford, so the marriage may have taken place there.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: groom on Saturday 05 May 18 12:20 BST (UK)
Here is the marriage from Freebmd

Marriages Dec 1840   

PROVIS    James       
WEBB    Sarah       
Chippenham    8   491
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: groom on Saturday 05 May 18 12:24 BST (UK)
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Sarah Pope
Marriage Date:   1824
Highway, Wiltshire, England
Spouse:   James Moore
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 05 May 18 12:24 BST (UK)
That's great! Thanks.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: groom on Saturday 05 May 18 12:30 BST (UK)
There is this marriage for William Salter, but wrong name for bride. Could it have been a second marriage for her?  Again banns rather than marriage

William Salter
Bann Date:   19 Mar 1826
Bremhill, Wiltshire, England

Spouse:   Elizabeth Hope
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 05 May 18 12:32 BST (UK)
I had that marriage down before but could never find an Elizabeth Hope. Probably is Hobbs.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: ciderdrinker on Saturday 05 May 18 12:47 BST (UK)
Hi
The obvious marriage for William Slater and Elizabeth is at Bremhill 4.5.1826
William Slater labourer and Elizabeth Hope both this parish bach and spins
with consent of parents
witness Elizabeth Rawlings and William Pownsey

I know that doesn't match the GRO or the potential baptism for Elizabeth Hobbs and a birth c 1797 Leigh Delamere.

William seems to have been baptised 20.9.1801 s of Joseph  and Elizabeth Driver
It is suggested that dad Joseph who was illegitimate s of Diana Driver 7.6.1767 may have had a father called Salter.

But I can't see a marriage under Driver either.

James Moore bach labourer married Sarah Pope  at Highway 22.11.1824
wit Edmund Evans William Coleman (standard witnesses ) and Jane Taylor

James Provis and Sarah Webb at Christian Malford 19.10.1840
James Provis lab 25 Foxham James Provis lab
Sarah Webb 25 servant Malford  Richard Webb lab
wit William Mills and Elizabeth Provis

Ciderdrinker

Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 05 May 18 13:02 BST (UK)
That's great, thanks! How did you come to the Driver/Salter conclusion? So was William christened as Salter or Driver in 1801?
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: ciderdrinker on Saturday 05 May 18 13:38 BST (UK)
Hello
I tried all the baptisms for a William at Bremhill for c 1802 and a  year either side.
There were 9 but no  William Salter.
But there was a William Driver which I gave you.

Then  I spotted a family tree on Ancestry with a William Salter/Driver married to an Elizabeth Hope.
And they were looking for the same family.
Obviously i don't know if they are right.

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 05 May 18 13:39 BST (UK)
Ah that makes sense. Thanks for that information.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: booksatskipton on Wednesday 14 August 19 08:13 BST (UK)
The Salter / Drivers do seem to swap names - I have a Sarah Driver who I think is the daughter of William Salter (?) but I have never seen her with the name Salter  - now having done DNA there are lots of matches to Salter connections.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 14 August 19 08:34 BST (UK)
The Salter / Drivers do seem to swap names - I have a Sarah Driver who I think is the daughter of William Salter (?) but I have never seen her with the name Salter  - now having done DNA there are lots of matches to Salter connections.

Could you show me any DNA evidence? That certainly would be convincing. Otherwise my tree ends with William Salter, who died in 1878.
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 14 August 19 11:20 BST (UK)
I’ve been working all morning! It’s entirely correct! I finally found a christening for Thomas Salter, a month after his birth as Thomas Driver at Bremhill! His brother William (found his US death certificate) was also christened as Driver, on the same day as he was born (given as d.o.b. on cert.)
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: booksatskipton on Wednesday 14 August 19 14:21 BST (UK)
That's great! I'll send you a PM about the DNA etc
Title: Re: Couple of marriages I can't find
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 14 August 19 14:27 BST (UK)
Thanks!

My line now looks like this:

Thomas Salter (b. 1839, Charlcutt; chr. 1839, Bremhill as Driver)
William Driver (chr. 1801, Bremhill; d. 1878, Bremhill as Salter)
Joseph Salter Driver (chr. 1767, Bremhill; d. 1846 as Salter)

The fact that Joseph