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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ben170292 on Saturday 05 May 18 03:31 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been trying to find more information on Alice Jane Davies (1881-1964) parents.
I Believe they are William Thomas Davies and Elizabeth Brown but I can't find anything else other than their names.
Alice Jane Davies
Born 1881 in Stawell, Vic, Australia
Died 1964 in Ascot, Vic
Married Llewellyn Ronal Roberts in 1904.
Children:
Aneurin Owain Roberts 1905-1985
John Elias Roberts 1907-1997
Llewellyn Ronal Roberts 1913-1992
David Evan Roberts 1914-1975
Lloyd George Roberts 1918-Unknown
Thanks for any help.
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On her death registration her father is as you say William Davies, no middle name, but no mother is listed.
Do you have her birth or marriage certificate?
Jamjar
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Marriage: 1888 5880 DAVIES William to BROWN Elizabeth
Date out, but the only marriage with those names popping up.
Jamjar
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I have been going by the BDM record #21161, the record #18320 is close in location and year but the fathers name doesnt match.
The marriage is #6706 in 1904
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There are births with surname Davis to William/William Thomas and Elizabeth Brown.
1879 William Thomas
1885 Charles Robert
1887 Esther Elizabeth
1890 Hector Victor
Jamjar
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DAVIES, Alice Jane
Parents William Thomas & Elizabeth BROWN
At Ball
1881/#21161
Sue
Adding for clarification.
Ball will most likely be the abbreviation for Ballarat
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I think this is the most likely marriage in 1878.
William Thomas DAVIS b. VIC
Elizabeth BROWN b. VIC
reg #3027
Essie
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1966 24554 DAVIS Horace Victor parents DAVIS William Thomas and Elizabeth (Brown) Place of birth Yarraville Place of death BALLARAT Age 76
1955 22229 Charles Robert aged 76 born and died BALLARAT
1937 12161 William Thomas aged 52 BALLARAT
1888 1631 Esther Elizabeth aged 11 (must be months) FOOTSCRAY
Jamjar
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People in UK pronounce DAVIES as Davis which is possibly the explanation for the slight change of spelling.
Perhaps this is his death?
1919, Victoria #15841
Wm Thos DAVIS, 64 (b abt 1855)
Death Place: Ballarat, Victoria
Father's name: Chas Thos DAVIS
Mother's name: Sarah SPENDLOW
Adding - this may be the birth registration of this man:
Victoria, 1855, #7725
William Thomas DAVIS
Born: Victoria
Parents: Chas Thos Davis, Sarah Ashby
Judith
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Possible death for Elizabeth seeing that there was a daughter Esther:
1921 12696 DAVIS Elizabeth parents BROWN Robert and Esther (NORMAN) aged 66 BALLARAT EAST
A possible funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219320465
Jamjar
Added: Buried together Ballarat Cemetery New Methodist E, Section 2, Row 2, Grave 34
Elizabeth DAVIS 66 Buried 26-10-1921
William DAVIS 64 Buried 8-12-1919 - The death registration posted by Judith fits with the burial.
William Thomas DAVIS 64
Ballarat Cemetery New DAVIS Horace Victor 23-10-1966 Cremated Ashes collected
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There are a couple of on-line trees with some entries supported by indexes etc which suggest that Sarah SPENDLOW, 20, arrived with her parents, James and Maria SPENDLOW, and siblings into Geelong, per ship Medway in August, 1849. Sarah is noted as a widow and her married surname ASHBY is noted.
The family's "Native Place" is given as Pollocks Hill, Bedfordshire. on the nsw assisted immigration record Sarah's age is given as 24, 20 on a different image. Occ: housemaid. Some of her family list their religion as Baptist, other as C of E.
FamilySearch shows this baptism:
Sarah SPENDELOW
Baptism Date 29 May 1825
Baptism Place Pulloxhill, Bedford, England
Father James Spendelow
Mother Mary
FHL Film Number 1066947
The information on these trees is comprehensive, so I won't transcribe anymore.
Judith
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Hmm - one of the on-line trees has their Alice Jane DAVIS, daughter of William Thomas DAVIES and Elizabeth BROWN marrying a John Thomas PARSONS in 1904 and children with surnames PARSONS born to that couple 1903-1917. This Alice Jane PARSONS dies in 1964 in Ballarat.
Victoria, 1964 #4607
Alice Jane PARSONS, 82, (b abt 1882)
Death Place Ballarat, Victoria
PARENTS: William Davis, Elizabeth Brown
So have we been tracing the wrong Alice Jane? The marriage certificate for your Alice and Llewellyn Ronald ROBERTS should give her father's name and the image of the certificate can be downloaded immediately. I note on the Victorian death index her father is given as William DAVIES and mother unknown.
Judith
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The Victorian BMD birth index has two similar entries a couple of years apart:
1879 #18320
Alice Jane DAVIES
Parents: Elias DAVIES, Hannah (maiden name Thomas)
1881 #21161
Alice Jane DAVIES
Parents; William Thomas DAVIES, Elizabeth (Brown)
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Death:
1899 3736 DAVIES Elias parents DAVIES Howell and Eliza (JONAS) Place of death STAWELL aged 56
Jamjar
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Death Notice for Hannah WILSON, previously Hannah DAVIES, nee THOMAS, died 1927
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3851072
WILSON.—On the 25th April at 20 Islington street, Collingwood, Hannah, dearly wife of
James Wilson of 44 Abbotsford street, Abbotsford, and loving mother of Howell and William
Davies, and Alice (Mrs. L. R. Roberts, of Cowes), aged 75 years.
The funeral notice is on the same page; buried at Melbourne General Cemetery.
Judith
Oh those lovely Welsh names!
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One of Alice's children: John Elias Roberts 1907-1997
Well we got there in the end, Judith. ;)
Jamjar
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Alice's sibling deaths:
Evan John 1876 12852 b.1870
Esther 1877 5946 b.1877
Elizabeth Ann 1878 6380 b.1875
Thomas 1932 925 b.1868
Elias 1960 34581 (William?) b.1873
Jamjar
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South Australian marriage:
1864 59/348 DAVIES Elias to THOMAS Hannah Kapunda
Jamjar
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Thank you so much everyone for the replies, it was very helpful.
Do we assume that the death #5828 for Alice is not the correct one or has the incorrect father?
I think I found Elias birth location on the 1851 and 1861 Welsh Census but I'm not able to find it now, It said he was born in Monmouthshire, if true then there must be some passenger list record of him travelling to Australia (probably SA as he was married there, but Hannah would have only been about 12 so maybe this isn't correct)
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It's the correct Alice, as I read her death notice in the Age, which mentions her children. So, I'd go with wrong father's name given that the informant didn't know her mother's name.
Jamjar
Added: ROBERTS Alice Jane Death notice 21-3-1964 Death 84 late of Ascot Vale The Age (Melbourne) 23-3-1964
Scroll to page 16, or type 9 in the small white box at top right: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0n/
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Possibly arrived on the 'Castle Eden' in 1862, 5th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158190028
Jamjar
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Think this may be husband of Alice, as her death notice indicates he's deceased:
1957 7388 ROBERTS Lewellyn Ronald Father ROBERTS John and Mother's name Unknown (Unknown) Place of birth: WALES Place of death: FLEMINGTON aged 79
ROBERTS Llewellyn R Fawkner Memorial Park Garden Of Remembrance 2 FA-GR2A*1*12**186 Interment of C.R. 28-6-1957
ROBERTS Alice Jane Fawkner Memorial Park Garden Of Remembrance 2 FA-GR2A*7*13**28 Interment of C.R. 23-3-1964
Jamjar
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Lloyd death maybe in NSW: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Lloyd-George-ROBERTS/13356182#/
Marriage: 17582/1942 ROBERTS Lloyd George to JOHNSON Marie Lillian STOCKTON
Now having said that, in VIC same year: 1942 2447 ROBERTS Lloyd Geo to JOLLIFFE Melva Merle
In mother's death notice she is the mother-in-law of only 3 Jean, Eileen and Hazel, so two of the sons are wifeless.
Jamjar
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Death Notice for Hannah WILSON, previously Hannah DAVIES, nee THOMAS, died 1927
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3851072
WILSON.—On the 25th April at 20 Islington street, Collingwood, Hannah, dearly wife of
James Wilson of 44 Abbotsford street, Abbotsford, and loving mother of Howell and William
Davies, and Alice (Mrs. L. R. Roberts, of Cowes), aged 75 years.
The funeral notice is on the same page; buried at Melbourne General Cemetery.
Judith
Oh those lovely Welsh names!
It says New Melbourne Cemetery, Fawkner.
WILSON Hannah Fawkner Memorial Park Church Of England FA-COE*M***1907 Interment 27-4-1927 aged 77
1927 5134 WILSON Hannah parents THOMAS Evan and Esther (REECE) aged 77 COLLINGWOOD
Jamjar
Added: There is an Evan and Esther Thomas buried at Kupunda
Thomas, Evan Kapunda Old Section
Plot/Grave/Niche H22abc
Last Residence Kapunda
Age at Death 56
Thomas, Esther Kapunda Old Section
Plot/Grave/Niche H22abc
Last Residence Kapunda
Date of Death 24-5-1900
Age at Death 75 years
Date of Interment 25-5-1900
http://www.light.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/grave/4876_H22abc-Thomas.jpg
1876 71/91 THOMAS Evan undefined Kapunda
1900 270/58 THOMAS Esther Evan husband THOMAS (DH) Kapunda