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Henry George Clark was born in Wraysbury Buckinghamshire about 1866 [father Richard Samuel and mother Eliza Hirst]. In 1881 he was an apprentice wheelwright with his father; 1900 he married Olive Berry and in 1901 they were living in Wraysbury in a builder's house and yard, Henry an employer and contractor.
However in 1901 Olive and two children were with her parents but I can't find Henry George at all. There is a suggestion that he went to South Africa.
So what happened to Olive and the children?
Did they separate?
Where did Henry go?
I cannot find a death certificate for him that I am sure IS him, so I would appreciate any help to locate the family. Thank you
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Please can you set out (transcribe) the 1901 census entries you have found? At the moment we don’t know Olive’s birthdate or birthplace, or any details of the children, making it hard to help you trace them.
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However in 1901 Olive and two children were with her parents but I can't find Henry George at all. There is a suggestion that he went to South Africa.
Is that a typo? In 1901 Henry and Olive are together, no children.
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Yes it looks as though the children were born after the 1901 census.
Olive Edith Clark mmn Berry, Dec qtr 1901 Eton
Lilian Nellie Clark mmn Berry, Jun qtr 1905 Eton
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Olive claims she is married, not a widow, in 1911, which suggests Henry is around somewhere.
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Details of Olive snr:
Born as Olive Annie Berry, mmn Bennett, Dec qtr 1877 Staines.
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“Born about 1866”
Birth reg is as George Henry Clark, mmn Hirst, Mar qtr 1866 Eton.
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1939 free search :-\
Olive A Austen (Clark) 1877
Jane Berry 1856
Redcar M.B. Yorkshire (North Riding)
Marriages Dec qtr 1955
AUSTEN Henry J
CLARK Olive A
Hailsham 5h 405
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Olive Annie Austen
Age 97
Birth 27 Oct 1877
Reg Dec qtr 1974
Northallerton RD
2 / 2402
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That was a very late marriage wasn't it - she was 78. I wonder why they married in Sussex?
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Could this be Lilian :-\
Marriage Mar qtr 1932
Robert L Berriman
Lilian N Clark
Middlesbro' 9d 1090
Lilian Nellie Berriman
Age 89
Birth 1 Mar 1905
Death reg Jul qtr 1994
Wrekin RD
15B /7161B
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Did they marry brothers :-\
Marriage Sep qtr 1929
Berriman John W
Clark Olive E
Middlesbro' 9d 1453
Olive Edith Berriman
Age 76
Birth 6 Oct 1902
Death reg Sep qtr 1979
Northallerton RD
2 / 1959
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Did they marry brothers :-\
Looks like it:
BERRIMAN, ROBERT LESLIE mmn WHALEY
1904 J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 584
BERRIMAN, JOHN WHALEY mmn WHALEY
1902 M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 552
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That was a very late marriage wasn't it - she was 78. I wonder why they married in Sussex?
It does seem strange for them to marry in Sussex especially as the daughters were still in the Yorkshire area.
I still can't see Henry / George.
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It looks as if they may have lived in Hailsham and then Olive returned to Yorkshire after her husband's death.
Henry J Austen
Age: 81
Birth Date: abt 1878
Mar 1959
Hailsham Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 394
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From GRO Find a Will:
Henry John Austen died 9th March 1959. Address 34, Balnam Road, Polegate, Sussex. (I can't find this road on a map)
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Maybe it is meant to be Bahram Road :-\
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Please can you set out (transcribe) the 1901 census entries you have found? At the moment we don’t know Olive’s birthdate or birthplace, or any details of the children, making it hard to help you trace them.
In 1901 Henry George 35 is with Olive A 24 in Wraysbury - Builders house and yard. He was an employer builder and contractor. The first daughter was born later in 1901
Olive claims she is married, not a widow, in 1911, which suggests Henry is around somewhere.
:-[ My mistake - 1911 Olive Annie and two children (girls - as named above) were with her parents John Child Berry and mother Jane at 14 Victoria St Slough
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Sorry all you dear helpers - I need to digest this info. I have been busy today and find the 12 hour difference leaves me behind...
We don't have much info about Henry George which is how he is recorded with the family in 1871 and 1881 and I got so confused with Ancestry putting up George Henry...
it looks like the answers are spot on with Olive but I will consider it and reply. Thanks so much.
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Yes it looks as though the children were born after the 1901 census.
Olive Edith Clark mmn Berry, Dec qtr 1901 Eton
Lilian Nellie Clark mmn Berry, Jun qtr 1905 Eton
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Yes this is correct
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“Born about 1866”
Birth reg is as George Henry Clark, mmn Hirst, Mar qtr 1866 Eton.
Mmm but he was known as Henry George... Oh how confusing...
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Aha Rosie, that looks very promising; thank you very much.
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Did they marry brothers :-\
Looks like it:
BERRIMAN, ROBERT LESLIE mmn WHALEY
1904 J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 584
BERRIMAN, JOHN WHALEY mmn WHALEY
1902 M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 552
Well well you are marvels - how intriguing
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Rosie, this was posted by you weeks ago and I'm just doing some checking and catching up.
I presume this is Olive's death notice?
Carol
Olive Annie Austen
Age 97
Birth 27 Oct 1877
Reg Dec qtr 1974
Northallerton RD
2 / 2402
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“Born about 1866”
Birth reg is as George Henry Clark, mmn Hirst, Mar qtr 1866 Eton.
I'm going back thru the posts : avm where is the birth record from please? I have one that is May qtr but I think that you are correct - Eliza Hirst was his mother but why was he known as Henry George all thru the censuses?
It has been suggested that he might have gone to the Boer war - are there any records for that?
I couldn't find him WW1. I did find a Henry George and Julia on a boat to Bordeaux in 1926 but have no idea if that is my man... oh the puzzles!! Thanks for any help.
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There is no May qtr. The quarters of the year end in March, June, September and December.
The index details are from GRO Online, which includes mother’s maiden name.
It is very common to find that given names were switched around.
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Rosie, this was posted by you weeks ago and I'm just doing some checking and catching up.
I presume this is Olive's death notice?
Carol
Olive Annie Austen
Age 97
Birth 27 Oct 1877
Reg Dec qtr 1974
Northallerton RD
2 / 2402
I believe that these are the registration index details for her death :)
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Hi, I am also interested in finding Henry George Clark as he may be my Great Grandfather. I have had my dna done and it is on Ancestry and My Heritage. Have you? I'd love to hear form you to compare notes. As this was posted a while ago I will wait and see if you reply before giving my dna info.
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Penelope, I am delighted to hear from you.
I am doing some research for my best friend and this is her family. Currently I am on holiday so don't have access to the records I have. If you can show me your links to Henry George (sometimes George Henry!) we might be able to tie up ends. My friend has not done DNA and as far as I am aware, neither have any of the family but I will enquire.
Look forward to hearing from you
Carol
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Hi again,Thanks for replying. It seems Henry George Clark got my Great Grandmother pregnant in 1891. She was working in Oxford but her parents lived in Barford, in Oxfordshire. Henry was living as a lodger in Woodstock Oxfordshire which is about half way between the two. My Great Grandmother was Louisa Margetts, she went to Sutton in Surrey to give birth to my Grandfather. She registered his birth and named him Corrie Enrico Clark Margetts. She gave him to people called McRae and he became Corrie Enrico McRae. It is only through dna that we have decided it is him. His brother came to New Zealand and I have been in contact with DNA matches to his brother. From what I have found out Henry George Clark inherited his father's business in 1896, and married Olive Annie Berry in 1900. By 1901 he was bankrupt. He and Olive had 2 daughters but by 1911 she and the girls are living with her parents. I can't find Henry anywhere. In the New Zealand branch's tree, they just have "went to South Africa" against Henry's name. Does this tie in with your information at all. Probably no one knows about Louisa and it is the dna matches that have finally after 18 years of trying found Henry. It seems Louisa did give clues by using Enrico (Henry) and Clark as part of the name she choose. I live in NZ but came here on my OE in 1974. Bye for now Penny.
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hello Penny.
That all makes sense and certainly fits in with what I can remember, without having the info to hand. William Clark (I think) is the brother - my girl friend's grandfather.
I have tried to find info about Henry George (George Henry) and when I get home, sometime next week I will add to what you have. I tend not to rely too much on other family trees because there are often so many errors. I certainly did not find any info about Louise; how intriguing.
I possibly know more about the family in some ways than my friend but at this stage I will not talk to her about your finds. Her oldest son died aged 45 two days ago after a long journey with cancer and the funeral is on Monday so I do not think it appropriate to mention anything at this stage. I can certainly work with you to hopefully find more.
I am sceptical about South Africa; my friend's father did a lot of research into the family and he is the one who suggested HG went there. We need to find the evidence to confirm or otherwise. I didn't know about the bankruptcy or the fact he inherited the business. Will look at the stuff I have
Carol
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I have copies of the newspaper articles about the bankruptcy etc. I also received his marriage cert to Olive today and the intestate documents of his father and Henry inheriting it as his biological son. I have been in contact with a lady in South Africa who is trying to find any Henry George Clark's that may have arrived there in the time frame.
I look forward to hearing more but I realise that this is not a good time for your friend. My condolence to her and her family. Thanks again Penny
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