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Helping a friend who does not use computer and would like to find out about her grandparent's families.
Harold Stanley married Alice Lynn.
They died in New Zealand.
I have looked at www.freebmd.UK at marriages and they married march 1916 Abergavenny, Wales.
Harold Stanley was 78years when he died in 1970 and Alice Stanley nee Lynn I am not sure as several Alice Stanley's in bdm.NZ There is no headstone to check.
Have also looked at freebmd.UK for births for Harold Stanley and this could be Dec 1891 Abergavenny Wales.
Also Alice Lynn maybe born June 1897 Abergavenny.
Because haven't been able to follow UK Census to find parents.
Apparently they came to New Zealand when their daughter Betty Stanley was about 2 years old.
Once again found a Betty Stanley born Dec 1919 Abergavenny, Wales.
Not sure about other siblings.
Just not sure where do go next, as have tried all the usual genealogy sites.
Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thank you.
rainy
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Wonder if Harold went out first then wife and daughter followed?
12 Nov.1921 "Ormuz" departed London, England for Sydney, Australia
Mrs. A. Stanley, age 24, housewife; Miss B. Stanley, age 2. Address: 7 Rhydynos St., Blaenavon, Mon., getting off in to Sydney then travelling on to New Zealand.
The family above in manifest also giving same U.K. address-
Mrs. L.M. Walsh, midwife, age 38; Miss K. Walsh, age 4; Miss S. Walsh, age 2. Also getting off in Sydney with final destination N.Z.
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Thank you I think that could be Harold Stanley's, wife and daughter.
I have also been given info re a mid wife but didn't and couldn't find name I was given.
But could be lady with them that you have found.
That's great, many thanks.
I have just wondered whether Harold went to WW1 and so been looking at Find My Past WW1 Service Records. There are several Harold Stanley's. But there is one that was a Coal miner so wondering whether it may be Harold Stanley I am trying to follow.
Many thanks.
rainy
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I have looked at www.freebmd.UK at marriages and they married march 1916 Abergavenny, Wales.
Have also looked at freebmd.UK for births for Harold Stanley and this could be Dec 1891 Abergavenny Wales.
Also Alice Lynn maybe born June 1897 Abergavenny.
Once again found a Betty Stanley born Dec 1919 Abergavenny, Wales.
Those dates (March 1916, etc.) are the quarter when the registration of the even took place: Jan./Mar/. Apr./June, July/Sept., Oct./Dec.) not the actual date of the event.
An online tree gives Alice Lynn born 31 March 1897 at 3 Philips St., Blaenavon (this would fit with birth being registered in April/June quarter).
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Births Mar qtr 1917
Stanley Alice mmn Lynn Abergavenny 11a 87
Deaths Mar qtr 1917
Stanley Alice age 0 Abergavenny 11a 80
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The GRO Index Search offers Mother's maiden names.
Harold's entry is:
STANLEY, HAROLD (Mother's Maiden Name:) SMITH
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 63
There is a potential marriage for his parents:
December qtr 1886
Pontypool Registration District vol 11a, page 233
Stanley, John Morris
+ and on the same page +
Smith, Sophia Evelyn
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Could this be Alice in 1911,just a pointer
Alice Line a servant age not spot on
Head of household is John Jones,
Town Blaenavon
Broad Street
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Thank you KGarrad and rosie99.
Both great info and huge help.
I have looked at a 1911 UK Census Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales and a Family SMITH David, Head and Sophia Smith wife and children but has Stepson for David Smith, Harold Stanley and Thomas Stanley.
So perhaps Father has died and Sophia remarried???
What do you think?
Thank you for your help.
rainy
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Thank you Radcliff, hadn't looked at LINE and should have, thank you.
Also thank you aghadowey for checking free bmd.uk re births and marriages.
Some times we so easily miss a connection in families.
So do you think John Stanley who died 1893 at 27 years Abergavenny is Harold Stanley's father?
Thank you.
rainy
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The Walsh family on the ship appear to be James Walsh and Lily M Fisher who married in 1916 in Abergavenny.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P9-5G8
- Lily Fisher (aged 28) appears as the daughter of William and Adelaide Fisher in 1911, Alice Lynn is also in household (granddaughter of William and Adelaide).
So Alice's mother was presumably a Fisher.
In 1901, Alice seems to appear in the same household but as "Fisher":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TR-G5R
Confusingly, Alice b. 1897 has mother's maiden name as Hughes, which makes her this line:
Thomas Lancelot Lynn married Emma Jane Hughes, 1896
Alice Lynn, b. 1897
Olive Lynn, b. 1898
Olive Lynn (infant) and Emma Jane Lynn (20) died 1898
Emma Jane Hughes was daughter of Adelaide Fisher and stepdaughter of William Fisher:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-TXLT
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Marriage, September qtr 1894
Abergavenny Registration District vol , page 113
Smith, David
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Stanley, Sophia
1901 census
Menelaus Street, Roath, Cardiff
Smith, David Head M 32 b Liswerry, Monmouthshire
Smith, Sophia Wife F 28 b Usk, Monmouthshire
Smith, Tom Son M 13 b Blaenavon, Monmouthshire
Smith, Harold Son M 10 b Blaenavon
Smith, Frank Son M 5 b Blaenavon
Smith, Florence H Daughter F 1 b Cardiff
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You are all amazing.
Thank you KGarrad and jorose
Thank you for marriage Sept 1894 for Sophia Stanley to David Smith..
Now that explains names given to me I couldn't follow. Name given was Lyll Fisher who was a midwife. I looked and looked at NZ Electoral rolls.
Now I know who it is as you have unraveled the mystery jorose. Amazing when names put together in right order.
But lady I am helping just didn't do genealogy or internet.
So thanks to you all will be able to give her some family info.
Much appreciated.
rainy
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I have found Harold Stanley and James Walsh on the Ruahine departing Southampton June 1921.
So that was what you thought that the men may have come ahead of their families.
Have also found Lily Maude Walsh's death in Lithgow NSW Australia in 1953.
Lily Maude Walsh also was registered in NZ as a Midwife training at Monmouthshire Training Centre.
Her registration being in 1922 in NZ then in Australia 1931-1933. Not sure about later.
When Alice Stanley and daughter Betty, with Lily M Walsh and daughters Kathleen and Sheila came from the UK in 1921.
Lily's father and Alice's grandfather travelled with them,William Fisher was his name.
This ship ORMUZ departed Nov 1921 from London . The wonders of Passenger lists.
Thank you for help which then made me look for the above info.
Many thanks.
rainy
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Hi
I have been happily reading about Harold Stanley's family history, somebody else's hard work.
William Fisher was my grandmother's, Alice Stanley's step-grandfather.
I believe he moved with the Walsh family to Australia and died there too. Don't know where.
Would anybody be able to solve the mystery of my grandfather's military service. He was conscripted in 1916, as many of the labourers were. I believe he was in the Labour Corp's, his work was to drive the donkey carts to the front line with armaments,bring wounded back. Also dig the trenches, hence his nickname Digger, our pet name for him was Dig.
Regards
M Stanley
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Welcome to Rootschat, Mary.
What was your grandfather’s name?
Also, his parent’s names?
Jamjar
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Obit for Lily Maude Walsh, cremated ROOKWOOD: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article223419131
Jamjar
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Hello Mary I found the death of William Fisher on Trove where there was a small obituary for him.
Because I was only helping a lady whose grandfather was Harold Stanley I do not keep the info.
But just looked again .
Lithgow Mercury 3rd March 1937
Same newspaper remember correctly has Lily Walsh obituary as well.
William Fisher came to NZ first then they shifted to NSW Australia.
I followed them through electoral rolls in NZ and Aus.
There will be a record of his Military Service but not sure exactly where.
Put your question into google and see what happens.
Happy researching.
rainy
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Obit for William Walsh: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221873207
4896/1937 William FISHER parents JOHN and MARY LITHGOW
Jamjar
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Rainy, I can’t see how William can be Mary’s grandfather if:
William Fisher was my grandmother's, Alice Stanley's step-grandfather.
I believe he moved with the Walsh family to Australia and died there too. Don't know where.
Would anybody be able to solve the mystery of my grandfather's military service
So, are we not looking for the husband of Alice Stanley’s military record?
Is it Harold who is her grandfather?
If so it would be a UK or NZ military record search.
Jamjar
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Thanks for the question...yes please..Harold Stanley's military record...he was conscripted in 1916..previously he was working in the steel works..
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Sorry yes Harold Stanley is Mary's grandfather.