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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Petros on Saturday 31 March 18 15:03 BST (UK)
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I recently stumbled across a listing of all the pubs in Bucks in 1872. This includes 29 pubs in Burnham (encompassing Cippenham)!
The Pubshistory site provides some clues (as indicated below) as to where some of these were located but can anyone offer more information?
While I can identify many of these from local knowledge and a previous thread on here about the Alma and the Grenville Arms I am at a loss to identify the following
Boot High Street
Brickmakers' Arms Church Street? (two are listed but pubhistory has a Bricklayers Arms in Church Street)
Dropmore Inn
Jolly Gardener
New Inn Dropmore
One Mile House Bath Road,
Rose And Crown High Street
Three Horse Shoes
The Feathers High Street
In addition two of the pubs are unamed with licensees JH Jarret and Alfred Heald
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The Feathers is still there, sort of opposite Cliveden. First licensed in 1870 according to their website so whether that is the one in the article....
The Brickmakers Arms is on Lent Rise Road.
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Sorry ACT this is a Feathers in Burnham High Street in addition to the one by Cliveden and a second Brickmakers Arms as well as the recently demolished one in Lent Rise
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The 1872 Beerhouse list, gives the name of owner, name of Occupier in 1872, and some names and addresses of the Leaseholders.
Downloadable from https://www.buckscc.gov.uk/services/culture-and-leisure/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/online-resources/resources/
At the end of the 1872 Beer House List, paragraph, click.... view the list.
Steve. :)
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Hi bucksboy,
There is a site called lost pubs, if you look here you can search by town, also there are photos of some pubs which can be added to at any time.
i have added a few in Kent, so maybe you will find some information here.
regards John :)
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Cannot access the 1872 beeerhouse list - so if I am duplicating entries already known my apologies.
On line newspapers are often a good source for pub info. The are several mentions of the "Dropmore Inn, Littleworth Common". Checking old maps I can see a Jolly Woodman, Littleworth Common marked - but not the Dropmore.
The New Inn was in the High Street - "83 yards from the Red Lion". The 1908 newspaper article is about there being too many pubs in the locale and a challenge being made to renew the New Inn's Licence. The landlady in 1899 is a Mrs Alice June Montgomery but the 1901 census entry for her ("a licensed victualler") doesn't identify the house number.
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Old Maps 1897 http://maps.nls.uk/view/101450134
There's a "BH" (Beer House??) marked on Littleworth Common - the "Dropmore" possibly?
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One Mile House is in pubhistory.com
https://pubshistory.com/Buckinghamshire/Burnham/OneMileHouse.shtml
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The address of "John Hatch, publican" on the 1881 Census is given as "Mile House (Horse and Groom)".
1875/82 map http://maps.nls.uk/view/102339956
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On the 1901 Census the property that follows the "Brickmaker's Arms, Henry Scott, beer retailer" on Lent Rise is Dewstraw Farm. You can see Dewstraw farm on this 1897 map
http://maps.nls.uk/view//101450137
and there's a "B.H." just north of it on Lent Rise.
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South Bucks Standard, 7 Dec 1894
HOLDOVER - A holdover of the license of the "Brickmaker's Arms", Lent, Burnham was granted from James Allder to Henry Cosh.
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The South Bucks Standard, 21 May 1909, has a licensing renewal article about the Rose and Crown "the High Street, Burnham" and mentions "The house was situate next door to a licensed house and very near to another." The licence was referred for compensation. The tenant was named as Joseph Herbert.
I can see him on the 1911 Census, no longer a beer retailer and he is next to a licensed premise - which is named (cannot disclose details -T&C FindMyPast) and which I think is still on the High Street (street view).
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Cannot access the 1872 beeerhouse list - so if I am duplicating entries already known my apologies.
On line newspapers are often a good source for pub info. The are several mentions of the "Dropmore Inn, Littleworth Common". Checking old maps I can see a Jolly Woodman, Littleworth Common marked - but not the Dropmore.
The New Inn was in the High Street - "83 yards from the Red Lion". The 1908 newspaper article is about there being too many pubs in the locale and a challenge being made to renew the New Inn's Licence. The landlady in 1899 is a Mrs Alice June Montgomery but the 1901 census entry for her ("a licensed victualler") doesn't identify the house number.
The Beer-House list, downloads automatically, when you click on the link 'View the List', on the BucksCC. web site.
It may have downloaded without you realising it. ;) :)
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I had no problem finding/downloading the file. Unfortunately, it requires "Office" to open - which I don't have.
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"The Feathers, High Street"
The houses are not numbered but "walking" the 1901 Census the entries run (Schedule Nos in brackets) -
(194) - Church Street
Workmen's Reading Room and Engine House
(195 - 197) - Pin Yard
(198 - 202) - High Street
(203) - The Feathers, Henry Siffleet, beer retailer
This appears to put it at the southern end of the High Street?
Also, re. the Rose and Crown, it's next to the Swan Hotel on the 1901 Census. Is The Swan now The Olde Swan, High St, Burnham? The 1909 article about the Rose and Crown's -licensing application describes it ""The only room for public consumption was a tap room and bar combined. The tenant had been at the house 40 years ... The trade was very small".
Some of those mentioned in your original list are beer houses rather than public houses, the main distinction, I think, being that beer houses did not have a licence to sell spirits, mine hosts being described as beer retailers rather than publicans.
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Here is the 1872 list.
Year when Licence was first Granted - Name of Occupier.- Name/Address of Owner - Name/Adress of Lease holder.
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bucksboy,
Magic - and thanks. I've hit many of the names checking the newspapers/census. The name "The Garibaldi" brings back memories - we lost our "Garibaldi" some 15 years ago.
Must dash - just off to visit my own local beerhouse/public house!
regards,
hanes