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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Lairdy5 on Sunday 25 March 18 19:57 BST (UK)
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Anyone able to tell me what's written here, for this cause of death?
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Immediate cause could be..........- laennec's cirrhosis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laennec%27s_cirrhosis
Sandra
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last line Partial obstruction ? ( but has no "i")
Modified See following reply
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The last line is portal obstruction.
Last word on the third line is ascites.
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Could third line be something like..............
old cardiac leigrun but isnt acute :-\
Sandra
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Line three...old cardiac [something] with Ascites
Does line two start with the word Hepatical?
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Could it be cardiac lesion. The loops from the next line are invading the word!
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Line three...old cardiac [something] with Ascites
Does line two start with the word Hepatical?
More like Hypertension I think - though it looks more like Hypo doesn't it.
Edit to add - Hypo/ertensive . . . . might be better.
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Line three...old cardiac [something] with Ascites
Does line two start with the word Hepatical?
More like Hypertension I think - though it looks more like Hypo doesn't it.
Edit to add - Hypo/ertensive . . . . might be better.
Yes, now I can see Hypo at the start of the word, but I can't see Hypotensive.
Whatever it was, he'd had it for 4 years :-\
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Edit to add - Hypo/ertensive . . . . might be better.
Yes, now I can see Hypo at the start of the word, but I can't see Hypotensive.
Whatever it was, he'd had it for 4 years :-\
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Nor can I really - I was guessing after the Hypo and thinking what it could conceivably be. Very tricky writing isn't it.
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It's probably the worst writing that I've seen for a long time. I've read through all the cirrhosis info but can't find any of the causes that look like these words.
Is this a Canadian/US death cert?
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Is hepatic in there somewhere?
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I can't see hepatic though you could expect it to appear.
I have looked and looked but cannot see hepatic.
Think you have line 3 right though.
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I thought the hypo might be hepa but not - there's also something that looks lik Calciplenia but no such term - nearest is calcipenia :-\
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It's probably the worst writing that I've seen for a long time. I've read through all the cirrhosis info but can't find any of the causes that look like these words.
Is this a Canadian/US death cert?
Hi yes. This is from US ☺
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Thank you all for your help :)
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I agree Laennec's cirrhosis.
I can't read anything on the second line except ascites - and I think that belongs on the second line, not the third, as the writing is smaller than that on the 3rd line and sits above the line.
I think the third line starts, "Old cardiac ---" then who knows what?!
This is shockingly awful writing!
Anyway. Ascites means fluid in the abdominal cavity and you get that with chronic liver failure, so that would go with the cirrhosis. Portal obstruction may also refer to the liver failure - if you look at this
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lth/
it explains more about this, and maybe that would then fit with the hyper-something on the second line?
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How about “old cardiac plaques” The Letter looks like a “p” as in hypo/hypertensive. 🤔
Jules
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Think you've got that one, Jules :D
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End of line two could be “pleura”. Can you tell this is bugging me?😂
Jules
Edited to add: stretching my imagination here but could it be “Hepatitus C with ?????? Pleura?
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I don't know the answer to this so just asking . . . .would they have known about plaques back then?
Not sure I would go for 'Hepatitis C with Pleura' - that doesn't sound right at all (- but I've been wrong before. :-\ ::) ;))
I'm almost sure the second line starts with Hypot . . .
(will I save a snip and take it with me on a visit the Dr tomorrow? ;D - might be an idea!)
Wiggy
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The hepatitis C virus was not identified until 1989 :)
Don’t think we know the date of this document, but it looks older than that.
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Thanks for the back up avm - my thoughts entirely. :)
I also was wondering about the date of this document.
Wiggy
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I'm sure it's hypotensal - is there such a word rather than hypotensive.? I've been reading about cirrhosis and hypotension in the later stages
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I have printed it out to take with me tomorrow - just in case someone can assist! ;D ;D
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It wasn’t making much sense to me either but it was worth a try.😀. Hopefully Wiggy will return with the answer.
AVM I’ve learned something new today.
Jules
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I'm sure it's hypotensal - is there such a word rather than hypotensive.?
There most certainly is! ;)
Added - just not sure how 'Hypotensive' would fit in this particular context.
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I'm sure it's hypotensal - is there such a word rather than hypotensive.?
There most certainly is! ;)
Thanks - Google kept changing it back to hypotensive ::)
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I have printed it out to take with me tomorrow - just in case someone can assist! ;D ;D
Thank you!! :)
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I agree Laennec's cirrhosis.
I can't read anything on the second line except ascites - and I think that belongs on the second line, not the third, as the writing is smaller than that on the 3rd line and sits above the line.
I think the third line starts, "Old cardiac ---" then who knows what?!
This is shockingly awful writing!
Anyway. Ascites means fluid in the abdominal cavity and you get that with chronic liver failure, so that would go with the cirrhosis. Portal obstruction may also refer to the liver failure - if you look at this
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lth/
it explains more about this, and maybe that would then fit with the hyper-something on the second line?
Thank you for help!
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Thanks for the back up avm - my thoughts entirely. :)
I also was wondering about the date of this document.
Wiggy
Hello the document is for 1957
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The hepatitis C virus was not identified until 1989 :)
Don’t think we know the date of this document, but it looks older than that.
Hello the document is from 1957
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Hi
is the second line hypertensive cerebrovascular pleural ascites ???
fiona
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Tooki a copy of the death certificate with me today and showed it to the Drs and nurses. None of them could read it!!
So what hope have we got? ::) ::) ;)
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is the second line hypertensive cerebrovascular pleural ascites ???
fiona
That sounds a bit odd to me
- Cerebrovascular to do with the head, pleural to do with the lungs and ascites to do with the abdominal cavity.
Could be I suppose - but I don't think so. :-\ :-\ :-\
Also I think it says Hypo rather than Hyper . . whatever it is. Don't know though!!
Wiggy
I have consulted another nursing friend and she doesn't think the bold bit is right either. We agree that it sounds wrong.
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:-\ I guess we may never find out.
Jules
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I posted it to a doctors' website and lots of people tried to have a guess but it stumped us too.
A combination of the best efforts gives this:
1. Laennec’s cirrhosis (2 weeks)
2. Hypertensive aortic valve calcification – known 4 years
3. Old cardiac –XX with ascites
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Well that line interpretation two makes more sense anyhow - I was trying last night to think of words starting with 'calci' but my brain wasn't working too well.
We were thinking the 'with ascites' went with line two . . . and I think that would make sense too.
I think 'Lesions' for old cardiac . . . though it doesn't look like it;
the Drs I showed it to suggested irregularities . . . but?? doesn't look like it does it.
It is a puzzler alright! ;D
Wiggy
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Thank you all of you for help. Although we haven't got to the answer, I am truly humbled by your help and efforts to help me solve this one.
Thanks again!