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Hello
John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
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Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.
The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.
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Later Transfer of Same Property
Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.
Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs ...
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Hello
Thank you Claire for noticing that Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen in 1776 at Wistow. I agree John Hood's neighbour was possibly Shippen at Selby, not M. Slipper / Mrs Slipper.
Your Benjamin Johnson married Mary Shippen 1762, at Wistow example, shows how easily it could look like Slipper at a glance.
Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman, was one of the parties (along with John Turner and Others, see above) involved in the same 1790 transfer of a House divided into 2 Tenements etc., at Selby, to John Spencer of Selby, Grocer.
This John Turner of Selby was a Tallow Chandler, Grocer and later a Book Keeper.
Mark
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Thomas Bell X Mary Johnson Leppent(on ?)
marriage
1 January 1754
Scarborough, York, England
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(Hard facts event dates-probable the only fact)
(If Jane ? Bell was born 1738 it would put her aged 31 at marriage 1769.)
John Hood X Jane ? Bell
marriage
18 May 1769
Alnwick, Northumberland, England
Jane ? Hood burial -aged 65 (est born 1738) -1803 Selby The wife of John Hood mariner
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William Shippen
marriage:
26 September 1768
Wistow, York, England
spouse:
Elizabeth Making ??? (Mrs Shippen- Mrs Slipper ???)
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Hello All
Thank you for this dobfarm.
Claire has also just found an Arabella SLIPPER (Parents Skipwith), witnessing the marriage of William HILL & Ann WHELDRAKE a Widow at Selby in 1776.
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One of the Leppington's at Scarborough had a sibling.
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At Selby in June 1759 Elizabeth HOOD & Matthew ROW, witnessed the Marriage of Calvert TENNANT, Clerk, of Great Warley, Essex & Mrs Mary DAUNT.
Smithson TENNANT FRS was born Selby in 1761 and became a Chemist.
Discussing HOOD & ROW witnesses today we both thought simultaneously of the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough, these Spencers were linked to Rowe by marriage.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184
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Some other ROE links to TURNER and BLENKHORN ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6450018#msg6450018
BLENKHORN was in Sarah HOOD's (nee RICHARDSON) ancestry.
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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908
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Because Charles TURNER and Maudland (nee HOOD) of Selby and baptised Scarborough, had two children recorded at Sculcoates 1797 & 1799 and John HOOD of Selby, Tanner married Sculcoates in 1846, I have been looking at the HOODs of Hull and Sculcoates and surrounding area in Census and GRO (from 1837 and 1840s).
This has unearthed at least one Hood child apparently not registered.
Hood Children registered Districts of Hull & Sculcoates, but no Mother's surname.
Also possibly two families Registering as HOOD with another Maiden surname, but no marriage found.
Mark
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Hi dobfarm
Marriage at Scarborough Jan 1754, the bride was a LEPINGTON
claire
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Hi Claire,
(Banns or Licence ~ if given ? - occupation of John - ie:- Cooper, Mariner, Innkeeper-Tanner, or Brewer etc. ~ or if he signed the register ~ witnesses etc )
Can you find an image of the marriage below;
John Hood X Jane Bell
marriage
18 May 1769
Alnwick, Northumberland, England
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I can't find children baptisms post 1769 marriage around Alnwick area for this couple ??? ??? ???
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Hi dobfarm
No other info on the marriage, can see one son John Bell born 1754 baptised 1755 then nothing.
No image that I can see for the Alnwick marriage, did you see another John Hood marriage to a Hannah Watson a few days before or after the marriage of JH to Jane Bell ? Can see no children, no burials but there is a marriage of a Jane Hood at Alnwick a few years later.
Back in Scarborough in 1774 there is an interesting marriage:
John Bell butcher married Elizabeth Danvers on the 6 November.
Both parties signed register.
Witnesses: Thomas Bell and Richard Hurd .
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Hi dobfarm
No other info on the marriage, can see one son John Bell born 1754 baptised 1755 then nothing.
No image that I can see for the Alnwick marriage, did you see another John Hood marriage to a Hannah Watson a few days before or after the marriage of JH to Jane Bell ? Can see no children, no burials but there is a marriage of a Jane Hood at Alnwick a few years later.
Back in Scarborough in 1774 there is an interesting marriage:
John Bell butcher married Elizabeth Danvers on the 6 November.
Both parties signed register.
Witnesses: Thomas Bell and Richard Hurd .
Hello
Thank you Claire & dobfarm
DANBY is associated with John HOOD of Nettleham, Wm HOOD of Kirkbridge and HOOD of West Firsby.
DANVERS = HOOD
DANVERS is associated with John HOOD of Bardon Park, Leicestershire. ...
page 455
But, while all this building and extension was going on, Daniel Danvers died, leaving a wife, Elizabeth, and an only son, Daniel. His wife was the daughter of John Hood, Esq., of Bardon Park, Leicestershire. The will mentions the testator's ...
John Danvers was of St Benet Fink's London.
The DANVERS were linked to London, Liverpool, Bath, Swithlands and Hornsey, had Cooperage and a Sugar House.
A reference to the STEER family.
Cf. Picton's 'History of Liverpool'
page 458
There should be an Elizabeth DANVERS [nee HOOD] Will (Somerset House), died 1757, Wife of Daniel DANVERS, Esq., of Liverpool.
See also pages 409; 456; 459; 469 and Index pages for HOOD
https://archive.org/details/memorialsofdanve00macn
Memorials of the Danvers Family (of Dauntsey and Culworth)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NkAIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=%22John+Hood%22+Danvers&source=bl&ots=ZEY6Oqn4eP&sig=LJCPRVqe-m7Io22wnZUFKuCeu7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil2aDEs6HaAhUmC8AKHZBWAYoQ6AEwBHoECAIQAQ
Elizabeth DANVERS [nee HOOD] was killed at Bath, when a chimney fell at her house 14th March 1757.
Elizabeth HOOD was the Daughter of John HOOD of Bardon Park, married Mary COAPE about 1704, Daughter of Wil. COAPE of Farnoe in Derby.
HOOD DANVERS JACOMB. MS.511 & 512
John HODE of Bardon Park, co. Leic.
FAMILY TREE at pages 1138 and 1139
https://archive.org/stream/familiaeminorumg03hunt
You might not find child baptisms in Church Registers as these HOODs of Bardon were known Nonconformists. Is the Bardon Park Chapel Register online?
Mark
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Hello
The John HOOD & Jane marriage (above) would be too early to be Jane HOOD of Selby buried Selby 15th August 1803, who has to be a Step Mother relationship to Maudland TURNER nee Maudland HOOD, according to the 1803 Jane HOOD burial entry and the matching information in the Selby Baptism record of Charles and Mordland TURNER's first child.
Mark
Moved the other information about Mary HOOD (84 yrs) dying Sculcoates 1833, Widow of Charles HOOD to the following thread where several other HOOD families were registering births (besides HOOD nee BARRETT & GOLDIE HOOD nee BAKER) in the Hull areas from 1837 and into the 1840s:-
Thread title: 1841 census William Hood b 1820 Sutton Sculcoates Union Hull (Jenning Street)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.msg6466996#msg6466996
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Mark
If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .
The Google books links are good, though the book is available as Print-on-Demand from Abebooks from any price from reasonable to silly.
The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business. Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London. www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html
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Mark
If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .
The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business. Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London. www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html
Hello sugarbakers
Thank you, what some fantastic sites you have linked to!!
I have an original early 18th Century document with reference to a property called the Sugar House at Selby, Yorkshire.
The Richard Pearson of Selby Will 1724 indicates Pearson had property in the Kingdom of Ireland and Selby Yorkshire.
Richard Peirson's Indenture describes a Capital Dwelling House by the sounds of it, at Ousegate, Selby with Barn, Stable, Malt Kiln, Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard with rights to the Commons, common of pasture, ways, water courses, profitts, commodities ... abutting on the Church Dam and the House of Francis Walmesley Esq., called the Suger House ...
Mark
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Regarding TATE and HOOD
26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
At the Wedding of
Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.
The Witnesses were reputed to be:-
Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD
I will order the Marriage Intention & Bond and see if HOOD is on that & what it says.
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Regarding TATE and HOOD
26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
At the Wedding of
Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.
The Witnesses were reputed to be:-
Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD
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Thank you, Mark. Interested as to why it was called the Suger House. Certainly no mention of sugar refining in Selby anywhere I've looked over the years, though of course no reason why not ... just an extension of the trade in Hull and Goole (but earlier !).
Seems, as you say, to be the name of the house/dwelling, which makes me wonder if there was a Walmesley connection to sugar that I've not found yet. Maybe good money was being made from an investment in a (London) refinery, or maybe there was a plantation connection perhaps through the Lancashire side of the family.
Can find nothing useful yet, but will keep looking.
Thank you.
Bryan
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Hello Bryan
I don't know why it was called the Suger house and Sugar House in the next deed, when this adjacent house changed hands again.
I am aware from 1778 newspapers and the Five Volume 1791 Universal British Directory (Volume 1) that Selby was mentioned by at least two London Wharves. One being the Gun and Shot Wharf at Southwark, with regular sailings to Selby and York.
Image here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
Mark
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Mark
There was refining in Hull and York at that time (c1700) so no reason there not to be in Selby, but I can't find any reference to it, nor to a working sugarhouse. Assuming your document is referring to the site for Richard Pearson's Corunna House, the house to the east of that doesn't look old enough to be the Sugar House of the Walmesley family, so lost to history.
Thank you for the ref to Selby the port, which points to Walmesley (or those who owned the house before him, maybe) trading in sugar via the Ouse.
Will keep eyes open for anything more.
Bryan
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Hello Bryan
Where did you get Corunna House from, please?
I have read that Selby was classed by some as a Western jurisdiction under the Port of Hull.
They were obviously brewing, due to reference of a Malt Kiln.
I expect they were fermenting wines etc. too, I understand a process which requires sugar.
Mark
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Hello
Thank you Bryan, I've found it and more information. (Amended).
Corunna House
"A gentlemans house of circa 1720, built for Richard Pearson. The building became a school in the 1850's and remained so for the next 70 years or so."
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1854038
What a beautiful house, it says in later documentation that the house was a Capital Messuage or Tenement. Capital in this case usually means a principal house. The house passed to Firman.
Then mid 18th Century there is a Lease Thomas Firman of Selby to James Dobson of London Gentleman.
Richard PIERSON
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/search.jsp?q=Pierson
FIRMAN
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=3499
"(Estate) Firman - Thomas Firman of Selby, Yorkshire and of Dublin city inherited the estates of Richard Pierson. His son, John Firman, was "of Ballinderry and Arranhill, county Tipperary". John Firman's estate was valued at £600 in the mid 1770s (Kilboy Papers). John Firman's two sons were Thomas Pierson Firman of Firmount who married a Yorkshire heiress and Richard Flood Firman of Slevoir. The Firman family were related through marriage with the Smith family of Milford and the Biggs family of Castle Biggs.The representatives of Thomas P. Firman held an estate in the parishes of Borrisokane and Terryglass, barony of Lower Ormond, county Tipperary, in the mid 19th century. In May 1852 the Firmount estate, barony of Lower Ormond and the lands of Grange and Clohane, barony of Eliogarty, over 1,300 acres in total, were advertised for sale and appear to have been bought by the Hickies and Delanys. In July 1862 the estate of the administrator of William Firman,, deceased, at Muckloon "now called Firmount", 85 acres in the barony of Lower Ormond, was advertised for sale. The Irish Times reports its purchase in trust for Samuel D. Biggs."
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My George HOOD of Selby is supposed to have COOK and PEARSON connections.
Mark
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Yes, that's it. Also ...
Corunna House
Listing ... https://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101132559-corunna-house-selby#.WsoWkmaZMlk
Plaque ... https://scs.statementcms.com/uploads/selby_civic_society/images/Corunna2.jpg
Street View ... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.7848735,-1.0653317,3a,75y,236.84h,99.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjVJYlLPrtdMCtwQBpabvfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Bryan
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Mark
If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .
The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business. Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London. www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html
Hello sugarbakers
Thank you, what some fantastic sites you have linked to!!
I have an original early 18th Century document with reference to a property called the Sugar House at Selby, Yorkshire.
The Richard Pearson of Selby Will 1724 indicates Pearson had property in the Kingdom of Ireland and Selby Yorkshire.
Richard Peirson's Indenture describes a Capital Dwelling House by the sounds of it, at Ousegate, Selby with Barn, Stable, Malt Kiln, Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard with rights to the Commons, common of pasture, ways, water courses, profitts, commodities ... abutting on the Church Dam and the House of Francis Walmesley Esq., called the Suger House ...
Mark
Good Evening
I am excited about some new information this afternoon, because my late Grandmother who died 30 years ago also discussed with us as children raw sugar from cane, refining and also Tate & Lyle sugar refiners were mentioned, who I discovered formed much later. I have mentioned before the Fleur de Lis, being discussed and notice some Fleur de Lis, were linked to the Spencer name.
My other Grandfather (Mum's side) even got a Jamaican Lady, a friend of the family to bring over cylindrical sticks of sugar they sold in Jamaica and we also tasted semi liquid sugar, or a product of sugar, which I seem to recall tasted a bit like Liquorice.
I read on the Web this evening that many Masters and Mariners at Scarborough were Quakers and another John Jefferson being in prison in the 17th Century, for his Quaker beliefs.
I previously noticed the Bondsman of John Hood, Mariner of Scarborough, was John Jefferson, Mariner of Scarborough and to my shock discovered this 1734 - 1735 Fire Policy online ...
"John Jefferson, of Scarborough in the County of York Canyer hath paid the Sum of Six Shillings to the Society of the Sun Fire-Office in London ... for Insurance from Loss or Damage by Fire, on His Brick and Tile House only in Black Fryer Gate otherwise the Beast Market in Scarborough aforesaid not yet inhabited being not quite finished but intended for his own Dwelling House not exceeding Two hundred Pounds, And on His Household Goods and furniture therein only and not elsewhere not exceeding One hundred Pound"
I am almost certain that a Canyer was a Sugar Cane Merchant?
I have mentioned recently regarding both sides of the Selby, HOOD gap, that both the Hood-Turner and Hood-Russell family descendants have both married into the GRUBB family and some suggestion from a middle child's name, that these GRUBBs may be linked.
I feel the odds are stacking up in favour of John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough) as being a relation at least.
Thank you, Mark
See also next reply for extract of Fire Certificate.
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Link to full document, what a lovely document with this kind of detail on!
https://davislibrary.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/featured-archive-for-july-2012-john-jefferson-of-scarborough-in-the-county-of-york/
The Three Fleur de Lis, are linked to some Yorkshire Spencers - Richard Spencer, Merchant, born at Leeds 1st February 1662. Buried 13th February 1690, Son of Nathaniel Spencer, (Arms in Selby Abbey).
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Lovely documents, but I think the second one says Carryer. The 'r's are slightly rounded, whilst the 'n' is sharp and pointed (see County, three words back). I've never heard the word canyer regarding sugar cane.
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Hello
Would he not, be more than a Carrier / Carryer with a House valued at £200 in 1734?
I see both. Could be a Shipping Carryer.
The Policy is limiting his insurance to his Scarborough House, suggesting he might have a house elsewhere, perhaps abroad?
Canyer, Cane and Sugar Cane from this ...
canya de sucre
Mark
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Hello
21st September 1778
William Brooke, in Selby, along with others in Yorkshire, have got a set of Ships together to sail to Messrs Perkins and Robinson, Wharfingers, at the Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark.
The Ships and Masters were:-
This Set of Ships Consist of
The York Union, Captain, John Jefferson.
Industry, Robert Jefferson.
Rippon, Philip Thompson.
Ouse, John Coulman.
Bedale, Richard Hinsleff.
Brothers, John Hood.
Nidd, Will. Stephenson.
Selby, Joseph Dean.
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Interesting to see John Jefferson and John Hood in the same list as Captains, with an Agent in Selby. It looks like they have formed some type of consortium.
The image is attached to initial post here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
Mark
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So (shipping) carryer seems appropriate.
He may well have transported raw sugar, but not cane - it deteriorated very fast once cut, hence the production of raw sugar on the plantation or nearby.
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Thank you Sugarbakers, so Sugar Cane in its raw form wouldn't last anyway.
Carryer / Carrier in Shipping likely.
Canya (Cane) is related to the Catalonian (an area of Spain) language. Claimed to be vulgar Latin (not checked).
But the word Cane, as an occupation wouldn't make sense on its own.
Claire tells me there is a Will for a John Jefferson died 1765 at the Borthwick, York.
I will order a copy of the Will Bundle and see what it says.
Mark
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Hello
21st September 1778
William Brooke, in Selby, along with others in Yorkshire, have got a set of Ships together to sail to Messrs Perkins and Robinson, Wharfingers, at the Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark.
The Ships and Masters were:-
This Set of Ships Consist of
The York Union, Captain, John Jefferson.
Industry, Robert Jefferson.
Rippon, Philip Thompson.
Ouse, John Coulman.
Bedale, Richard Hinsleff.
Brothers, John Hood.
Nidd, Will. Stephenson.
Selby, Joseph Dean.
Rochdale, --------------------
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The image is attached to initial post here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
Mark
Hello
Searching for HOOD, the Mariner / Master from & to Hull and finding a few more circa 1785 (around the time George Hood would have been born).
According to the 6 February 1780 Letter from Burton & Taylor, Hull to William Martin, Wakefield, Aire and Calder Navigation correspondence, it does state, Bedale, J. Hood, arrived yesterday from London.
Re Hood in February 1780, also found the following:-
HULL, February 12,
Coasters Arrived. ...
; Bedale, Hood , Galeston, Stamford ;
So J. Hood / Hood had been out again and arrived back at Hull, on the 12th February.
19 March 1782 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, March 16.
COASTERS ARRIVED. Amity, Harrow ; Industry, Hood ; George, Woodhouse ; John and Mary, Jones, and Queen, Meggitt, from London. Henry, Walton, fr. Plymouth.
27th September 1785, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 22.
COASTERS ARRIVED. ... ; Industry, Hood, from London.
23rd May 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, May 20.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... for London.
22nd August 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, August 19.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... from London.
31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.
26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 3 May 1788
Ship News.
HULL.
Sailed. ...
Centurion, Hood ; ... all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... COASTERS. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London.
There are some Mariner records at Hull and we hope to have a second visit there, as the River up to Selby from Hull, once came under the jurisdiction of HULL.
I'll keep searching, Mark
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Mark
Yes, such coasters could have been carrying raw sugar from London for Hull (much earlier for York, and later for Goole), and refined sugar in the form of sugar loaves from London, and maybe Hull, for almost any town/port they visited.
Don't forget to check Beverley Archives ... I've found great info there for both Hull and Goole.
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Hello
According to the Yorkshire newspapers under Hull in September and October 1786, Hood is sailing the "Jane" to and from London. Staniland is also sailing a "Jane" from London
19th September 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 16.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Staniland ; ... from London.
Coasters Sailed. ... Halifax, Staniland, for London.
3rd October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 30.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Jane, Hood ; Adventure, Smeaton ; and Nottingham, Wilkinson, for London.
31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.
Some information about Staniland of Selby here.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1X8uAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=%22Samuel+Staniland%22+1799+Selby&source=bl&ots=3iJR7G3kfG&sig=n7xwdwpB3Et0qPsaJxGpqpEPick&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVuJ2S5I_cAhXHBsAKHXxGAzkQ6AEwAnoECAUQAQ
Selby Abbey
On one of the pillars.
Adjacent
Lie the remains of
Thomas Staniland of Selby, ship owner
Who died the 6th day of January, 1799,
aged 34 years.
Also, Samuel Staniland of Selby, Mariner,
Father of the above, who departed
this life the 21st day of April, 1800.
Aged 60 years.
Likewise Jonathan Staniland, ship owner,
son of the above named Samuel, who
died the 24th day of Sept. 1802.
Aged 42 years.
Also, Dinah the wife of Samuel Staniland,
and mother of Thomas and Jonathan
who died the 27th day of April, 1809.
Aged 69 years.
A vault at the foot of the same pillar contains the remains of:-
Stephen Staniland, Esq. who died suddenly Nov. 9th, 1834,
Aged 62 years'
Interesting that a Staniland and Pearson were Executors in Trust to a Collinson
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783146.0
Mark
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Hello
Hood (from 1788) and also a Godmond are sailing in the "Centurion" from Hull to Petersburg and London to Petersburg.
The Trade and Shipping of Eighteenth Century Hull
Petersburg in Russia ...
http://www.eylhs.org.uk/dl/89/trade-and-shipping-of-eighteenth-century-hull
Hopefully, some records at Hull
http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/includes/centres/cmhs/ELMAP/location.php?loc_id=42
I wonder if Jane Hood (apparently Ioanna in Russia) was Russian?
Stamford Mercury, 5th October 1787
The dock company at Hull, have agreed to form a new dock, spacious enough to contain sixty ships.
Sheffield Register … , 3rd May 1788
HULL
; Centurion, Hood ; … all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen-drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Stamford Mercury, 5th September 1788
HULL, Sept. 1.
Centurion, Hood, for Petersburgh, with woollendrapery, coton stuffs, earthenware, lead, &c. Cave, Jubb, for Riga, with earthenware.
Newcastle Courant, 27th September 1788
Sound List from the 6th to the 13th inst.
Ships & Captains From To Loading
Centurion, Hood Hull Petersburgh Goods
Eliza, Gallilee London Riga Ballast
Stamford Mercury, 28th August 1789
HULL, August 24.
Lvde, Birch ; Air Balloon, Metcalf ; Jane and Mary, Merchant ; Amity, Graham ; Henry, Strachan ; and Centurion, Hood, all from Petersburg, with deals, iron & c.
I should have some detailed copies soon I hope around the time of George Hood's birth 1785 to 1787, Mark
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Extract from Lloyds Register 1789 indicates Captain Hood in the newspapers, was J. HOOD.
Column 1, S = Centurion was a Ship. s = sheathed.
Column 3, SDB = Single Deck with Beams.
Column 4, Surveying Port = Scarbr. rp = repairs.
Column 7, contains the Feet of the Draught of Water When Loaded.
Hl = Hull [Hull - Petersburg]
The Owner / Shipping Agent, is Hewson & Co. of Hull.
Hewson & Co., Hull, had a Ship seized by the French in 1784.
St. James's , July 17th 1784
List of Hostages for English Ransoms, detained in French Prisons.
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Name of Ship and Captain, Good Will - Clifford.
Owner, Hewson and Co. Hull.
Captors, Le Jeune Dunkerquoise - Mulenaer.
Ransom Demanded, 750 Guineas.
Mark
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Hood (from 1788) and also a Godmond are sailing in the "Centurion" from Hull to Petersburg and London to Petersburg.
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Sheffield Register … , 3rd May 1788
HULL
; Centurion, Hood ; … all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen-drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Stamford Mercury, 5th September 1788
HULL, Sept. 1.
Centurion, Hood, for Petersburgh, with woollendrapery, coton stuffs, earthenware, lead, &c. Cave, Jubb, for Riga, with earthenware.
Newcastle Courant, 27th September 1788
Sound List from the 6th to the 13th inst.
Ships & Captains From To Loading
Centurion, Hood Hull Petersburgh Goods
Eliza, Gallilee London Riga Ballast
Stamford Mercury, 28th August 1789
HULL, August 24.
Lvde, Birch ; Air Balloon, Metcalf ; Jane and Mary, Merchant ; Amity, Graham ; Henry, Strachan ; and Centurion, Hood, all from Petersburg, with deals, iron & c.
Hello
Because GODMOND was sailing the "Centurion" out of Hull, with a J. HOOD, late 1780s, I have been searching the surname GODMOND and noticed two GODMOND children have middle surnames, one being GIBSON and the other COLLINSON (both not checked).
Christopher Gibson GODMOND bapt. 1793 Holy Trinity, Hull;
Parents, Christopher GODMOND & Elizabeth.
Mary Collinson GODMOND bapt. 21 February 1815 St Margaret, Lee, Kent;
Parents, Christopher GODMOND & Mary
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Christopher Godmond Pickering, mentioned in a Gibson thread here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=356070.msg2336169#msg2336169
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John Pickering married Mary Hannah GODMOND 26 March 1815, H. T., Hull, (F. S. not checked),
if correct, Mother of Christopher Godmond Pickering (bapt. 1816), can't be Jane Gibson.
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Christopher Godmond, Wharfinger, of Hull, bankrupt 1796
Mark
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27th September 1785, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 22.
COASTERS ARRIVED. ... ; Industry, Hood, from London.
23rd May 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, May 20.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... for London.
22nd August 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, August 19.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... from London.
31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.
26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 3 May 1788
Ship News.
HULL.
Sailed. ...
Centurion, Hood ; ... all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London.
Hello
Muster Rolls - Copied into Volumes by Trinity House, Hull 1784 to 1790
These give Ages, Place of Birth and Abode.
John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Scarborough
According to all the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Industry" to and from London 1784 - 1786 was born Scarbro' about 1740 and his Abode was recorded as either Hull or Selby until 1786.
John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Selby [? See ***]
According to the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Centurion" to and from Petersburgh 1788 to 1790 was born Selby about 1739 to 1743 and his Abode was Hull (April 1788 & 1790) and Selby (Sept. 1788).
Selby was entered as Birthplace when John Hood first sailed the "Centurion" 1788.
ADDED: *** I suspect the John HOOD, Master of the "Centurion" born Selby, is an error. ***
John HOOD has not personally signed the April 1788 Muster Roll, it has been signed on his behalf by Thos HEWSON and then John Hood's Birth left blank in following Musters 1788 to 1790.
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Looks like John Hood the husband of Jane Hood (Jane Hood buried Selby August 1803) and "Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner", was born at Selby, or the place of Birth in the copy Muster of the "Centurion" was wrong.
No clue in the Musters who Jane Hood was (buried Selby in August 1803), nor where she was born, could even be from Petersburgh?
Mark
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Further to the Above
The Master of the "Centurion" overlapping and prior to John Hood was Isaac GODMOND born Hull.
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There is a death Notice aged 74 in 1809, for a Rev. Isaac Godmond, at Ripon.
Page 477 left-hand column
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nukRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA477&lpg=PA477&dq=
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"York" Geo NEWBY from London
20th May 1783
Geo Newby, Mas'r Born York, Abode York, age 47.
Two of his crew:-
Wm RUSSELL, Seam', Born SELBY, Abode SELBY, age 24.
Benj'm RUSSELL, Serv't, Born SELBY, Abode YORK, age 22.
Mark
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Muster Rolls - Copied into Volumes by Trinity House, Hull 1784 to 1790
These give Ages, Place of Birth and Abode.
John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Scarborough
According to all the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Industry" to and from London 1784 - 1786 was born Scarbro' about 1740 and his Abode was recorded as either Hull or Selby until 1786.
Hello
I suspect the place of "Birth" "Selby" of John HOOD, Master of the "Centurion" in April 1788, is an error.
Where the copy signatures for the "Centurion" are, it says:-
a) Mr Hood and has been signed by Thos Hewson.
b) John Hood's age is fluctuating too much on the "Centurion" 1788 to 1790, as though Hewson is guessing.
c) Subsequent Muster Rolls of the "Centurion also signed by Hewson, have left HOOD's birthplace blank.
So John HOOD didn't fill in the Muster Roll of the "Centurion", it has been filled in by someone guessing John Hood's age & signed by the Thos Hewson (on HOOD's behalf), likely of Hewson & Co., Hull.
The Abode of John Hood is either given as Hull or Selby, in all the Muster Rolls.
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John HOOD, Master, will be the same as John HOOD, Master, of the "Industry" born Scarborough, who was also living at both Hull and Selby. The age of John HOOD, Master of the "Industry" is going up by one year, the following year and John Hood has been entered as signing these earlier Muster Rolls.
Mark
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I have posted some Ship Muster & Payments Book snippets here, relating to John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6541301#msg6541301
Mark
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One of the Leppington's at Scarborough had a sibling. *
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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908
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Hello All
I have got a copy of that John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, Widower & Sarah Hammond, Widow, Marriage at St Giles in the Fields, 1778 (Anc. has it under Camden in the listing, then St Giles).
But everything I touch re my George Hood quest is a disaster!
How about this for the two witness signatures?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799830.msg6573362#msg6573362
Thank you, Mark
(* there was also a Mary Johnson Leppington (1754) )
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Widow Sarah Hammond ?
Could her maiden name a Cook or Pearson or others surnames on your list.
A second, or third time widow of a few deceased husband mariners who died at sea or ill health disease of the time. :-\
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Thank you dobfarm. If only I knew.
Whilst on a Roll (pardon the pun) with these Vessel Musters, we'll have a look at the earlier Scarborough Muster Rolls (from 1747) next, to see if I can get a Birthplace for George Hood, Mariner, who married Maudlin Spencer.
George Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, might not be born Scarborough and there might be a Hood family with descendants elsewhere, that can be brought forward / investigated.
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John Turner (Selby Land Tax), occupied the Presbyterian Chapel (1781 to 1789) and was Landlord to John Hood of Selby, Mariner and I found this about a Rev Wm Turner, Presbyterian Pastor ...
Leeds Intelligencer, 1st September 1794
A reference to the death of the Rev. Wm Turner, in his 80th year, who was the Pastor to the Congregation of the Presbyterian Protestant Dissenters at Wakefield.
Mark
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Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.
Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.
Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
Added: Wm Russel & Benj'm Russel both born Selby were also sailing in and out of Hull in 1783.
Benjamin Russel's, Daughter of Selby
Ann Russell married John Turner, 1765 in Selby
(Witnesses Ann Morley & Goseph Morley)
Wm Turner (25yrs) marr. Mary Field (23 Sp'r) 1791. Mary Turner marr. Samuel Blythe 1798
Cordwainer (Wits. Ann Turner & Mary COOK)
(Wits. John Leck & Saml Blythe) First Dau 1799 Sarah Blythe, bapt.
First Dau. 28 Sept. 1792 Ann Turner No descent for Blythe.
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Various Jottings because John Hood of Selby [Mariner] was living in a house of John Turner Chandler / Grocer
Ann Turner marr. George Morley 25 Nov 1802
John Turner (30) Grocer marr. Hannah Gowland (21) at Selby 16th August 1778
4 September 1779 - John TURNER bapt.
First son of John Turner & Hannah [Gowland] Selby
John Turner Grocer & Chandler
Descent - John son of Henry Turner of Selby, Grocer & Chandler by Mary his wife, dau of John Todd of Selby, Innholder. Hannah dau of Richard Gowland of Cawood, Bricklayer.
Previously Hannah Gowland and John Todd looks to have witnessed the following Marriage of
John Halliday marr. Mary Breasley 19th February 1778 at Selby
(Wits. Hannah Gowland; Jno Todd & John Dickinson Jun'r)
The premises at Selby taken over by George Hood were occupied by Tho's Halliday & R'd Gibson (1800 Land Tax & confirmed in later Deed Petre to Hood)
Morley Wharrey has showed up in a Family Bible mentioning the Morleys at Gainsborough (the place where John Dean, owner of the Industry vessel resided, which was sailed from Hull by John Hood, Master.
It does seem that if George Hood was living at Selby with John Hood of Selby, Mariner, John Hood (via his Landlord) & George Hood were already in contact with people that had connections to Russell, Turner, Morley, Burton and John Halliday who all seem connected.
Thomas Halliday partly occupied the business premises George Hood would take over.
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Also found mentioned at Selby 25 March 1780 Mary Dau of
William Cooke (Mariner) & Mary Chester (Daughter of Hue Chester, Mariner of Rocliff, Parish of Snaith)
Mark
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Morley Wharrey was baptised in Selby 1753 son of Thomas Wharrey & Margaret Morley
In 1760 Thomas Wharrey widower married Judith Bacon widow (wife Marg. buried Selby 1758)
Judith HARDY married a 'Mr' Henry Bacon of Selby in 1754. - Judith Wharrey's burial record in Selby confirms the Hardy parentage (of Snaith)
This Henry is not the Henry son of John BACON & Hannah HOOD but wondered if he was a brother of John Bacon or some relation ?
Possibly a bit of a Hood link.
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Thank you.
Referring to my Reply #40, John Turner, Chandler & Grocer (John Hood's Landlord at Selby in the 1780s) was related to Sarah Russell's family and Sarah Russell became Wife of George Hood and Sarah Russell's Mother related to Burton.
Amended
Also does the same John Turner also link to Morley, Morley Wharrey and Burton of Brayton and Cook?
Added.
James Morley and Hannah Burton married Brayton 1796.
When Jane Morley was baptised 3 Aug 1797, the Register (Selby transcriptions) said Hannah was the Dau of John Burton of Burn, Parish of Brayton.
Mark
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Going back to the Baptism of Sarah Russell at Selby the actual Selby Register page gives her Russell lineage as
Sarah Russel First Daur Of William Russel of Selby Sailer - Son of John Russel of Selby afores'd Lab'r. by Martha his Wife.
1793 Born 30th September, Baptism 9th October
According to the Selby Transcriptions:-
17th May 1792 William Russel, Sailor, Married Mary Burton, both of this Parish.
By Banns by Mounsey, Curate. William aged 29: Mary aged 20.
Witnesses: Henry Popplewell & George Tarbotton.
Comment: No surname for Martha ? [possibly Martha Hodgson - see next]
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However, looking at the Selby Transcriptions ...
Born & Baptised 17th June 1779
Mary & Martha Vincent baptised twin daughters of John Vincent, Mariner & Elizabeth.
Elizabeth daughter of John Russel of Selby, Labourer by Martha his Wife, Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler.
Unfortunately, nothing on John Vincent's lineage and we didn't photograph even one whole volume of the numerous Hull Muster Roll Volumes! I don't have any Vincent in the Hull Mariner's Rolls photographed, which also cover Selby Births and/or Abodes.
27th November 1778 John Vincent (25) Mariner, Married Elizabeth Russel (21), Both of Selby.
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Interesting that later (next century) a Matilda Vincent Hood, birth was registered at Langrick (near Carlton / Drax) in the Registration District of Selby and these Vincent Hoods came from Ditchingham in Norfolk.
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However, it looks as if Sarah Russell's descent might be the same and therefore Martha Hodgson was also possibly Sarah Russel's Grandmother?
John Russel and Martha [Hodgson], don't seem to have married at Selby?
I wonder where they married, please?
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Some Selby Deaths / Burials (from Transcriptions only) which might be helpful during research:-
22nd October 1805 Martha Russel, died, Widow, Selby. Died aged 86 & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1719]
11th September 1780 Benjamin Russel, died, Selby, Farmer, buried in the Church Yard. Decay of Nature aged 95.
[born about 1685]
12th April 1796 John Russel, Died, Selby, Fisherman, John was the Son of Benjamin Russel of Selby Farmer by Mary his Wife. John died of Decay of Nature aged 78 & bd in the Church Yard.
[born about 1718]
28th November 1796 Mary Russel, died, Widow, Selby, Died aged 73. Decay of Nature & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1723]
(Incorrect spellings - as spelt in transcriptions)
Mark
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John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.
Both signed
Witnesses: William Pullein and Edward Waud
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John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.
Both signed
Witnesses: William Pullein and Edward Waud
Hello All
Thank you Claire.
So Martha Hotchson of Drax was the Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler [sic].
That John Vincent, Mariner, [I need to see more of them Hull Trinity House Muster Rolls, to get his Birth place!!] married Elizabeth Russel and Elizabeth has the same descent as my Sarah Russel, who married George Hood of Selby.
Then about 80 years later from John Vincent, Mariner, on 16th February 1861 Matilda Vincent (alias Matilda Vincent Hood) was born at Langrick, in the Sub-district of Carlton in the Registration District of Selby and her Mother was Emily VINCENT HOOD. They were from Ditchingham, Norfolk.
I keep wondering if there is a local link somewhere and I've just missed it, for all these volumes of notes, Certificates, Census, Deed Registrations, pc files of photos and images, that have built up over 20 years. I must have seen and purchased upwards of 100 HOOD WILLS!
I can't 'see the Hood for the trees'. ;D ;D
Mark
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Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.
Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.
Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
M. Shippen (not Slipper) Neighbour to John Hood in Selby Land Tax - 1780s
This House at Selby divided into two Tenements one occupied by John Hood, transferred in 1790 from John Turner, Tallow Chander (& Grocer) to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent).
One of the parties in the 1790 transfer, was Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman.
1776 Wistow
Aug:t 20th Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen
In view of the 1790 House transfer (Registered 1792) also indicating Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman was a party to the transfer and a 1776 Marriage found by Claire of Joseph Tate of Wistow, it confirms John Hood's Selby neighbour was almost certainly SHIPPEN.
Mark
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I've ( Joseph - bit more readable) darkened - enhanced your 1776 Wistow marriage image .
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Only thing that is a bit confusing is: Mary Shippen married Joseph Tate 1776 - so WHY was she put down in the land tax 1781 5 years later (after she married Joseph Tate) in her maiden name as M Shippen and NOT - M Tate (Mrs) ???
Unless M Shippen 1781 land tax was a relative of Mary Shippen = Mrs Tate by 1781 - (like:- Example Michael Shippen or Martha Shippen)
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Thank you dobfarm
Possibly the one in the Selby Land Tax was a relative of Mary Shippen.
Mark
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At Selby in June 1759 Elizabeth HOOD & Matthew ROW, witnessed the Marriage of Calvert TENNANT, Clerk, of Great Warley, Essex & Mrs Mary DAUNT.
Smithson TENNANT FRS was born Selby in 1761 and became a Chemist.
Discussing HOOD & ROW witnesses today we both thought simultaneously of the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough, these Spencers were linked to Rowe by marriage.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184
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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908
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We called in at Selby Abbey on a recent visit to Yorkshire.
If you are following the other thread, you may have seen my very recent Robinson and Cook of Snaith / Snayth research attachment (Jottings).
1809 Admin (Inland Revenue Abstract) for John Cook of Snaith Yorkshire, England, gives his Sister's name Eliz'th Workman of Beverley County of York, who married Stephen Workman, a Widower at Beverley in 1795, wits Thos Procter and Mary Caygill. Also the place of Beverley was mentioned by my Grandmother along with the Robinson and Stephenson surnames.
Back to the quote above and our recent visit to Selby Abbey, some interesting recording of the Memorials was taken just over 100 years ago and regarding ROBINSON it says:-
Robinson. Date 170 - NNA, Bay from W 7. No 37
Daughter of William Robinson
Gentleman of Beverley.
Died the - of January 170 -
Aged -
(The above is amongst the
names on the Stone used by
the Daunt family from
which, the eminant Chemist
Smithson Tennant was
descended.) [sic]
Looking at Elizabeth HOOD in the quote (above) and looking at the Selby Abbey Floor Grave location information (quoted in this reply) linking ROBINSON to DAUNT, it seems there is a link from my HOOD family to an earlier *Elsabeth HOOD and link with ROBINSON and Beverley and Snaith, is beginning to emerge, just as my late Grandmother said about 47 years ago ;D ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6745581#msg6745581
Thank you to all contributors and having all the past comments searchable.
Looks like I've got some Will reading and the links look to be made.
Regards Mark
* signed and spelt Elsabeth Hood and "of Selby" removed.
The 1759 Tennant & Daunt, wedding was by Licence and according to an unchecked transcription, it would seem Mary Daunt gave her residence as Snaith?
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According to the two attachments, the family of Daunt of Selby are seemingly linked to Robinson?
ROBINSON it says:-
Robinson. Date 170 - NNA, Bay from W 7. No 37
Daughter of William Robinson
Gentleman of Beverley.
Died the - of January 170 -
Aged -
(The above is amongst the
names on the Stone used by
the Daunt family from
which, the eminant Chemist
Smithson Tennant was
descended.)
The 1759 Tennant & Daunt, wedding was by Licence and according to an unchecked transcription, it would seem Mary Daunt gave her residence as Snaith?
Selby Marriage Register, 1759
Calvert Tennant of Great Warley, Essex, married Mrs Mary Daunt, Spinster [sic]
Present:- Elizabeth Hood ; Matthew Row
Possibly Matthew Raw of Selby?
Raw of Selby
Surname Raw is linked to Selby, according to an 1899 book:-
Curious Epitaphs Collected and Edited with Notes by William Andrews
In addition to being parish clerk, Frank Raw, of Selby, Yorkshire, was a gravestone cutter, for we are told:—
Here lies the body of poor Frank Raw,
Parish clerk and gravestone cutter,
And this is writ to let you know
What Frank for others used to do,
Is now for Frank done by another.
Selby Abbey Memorials Survey says Frank Raw was buried 31st March 1706 and Jane Raw his Wife was buried 10th December 1726.
1722 Matthew Raw of Selby
1722, 21st November at Brayton, Yorkshire
Matthew Raw of Selby married Mary Morlay of Hambleton
Earlier Hood of Selby, Apprenticed at Wensley, Yorkshire
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802107.msg7601625#msg7601625
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That is interesting because my late Grandmother, about 50 years ago mentioned, Beverley, Snaith and the surnames Morley and Robinson as relatives.
ADDED rather than write down what could be read on the stones in 1919 at Selby, the Surveyor seems to have taken bits from Morrell.
William Wilberforce Morrell wrote
The History and Antiquities of Selby
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John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
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Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.
The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.
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Later Transfer of Same Property
Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.
Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs ...
as post below
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Mark,
I've put all these surnames together as quick reference! for you and more for other members of rootschat to try to solve this mystery of George Hood born 1786 ish early life pre 1812 Selby that been going on many years.
George could have been born in his mothers maiden name as illegitimate to John Hood or another fathers surname and baptised in his surname'
Jane Hood wife of John Hood a mariner buried 1803 age 65 in Selby (most likely George Hood b 1786 ish mother and her maiden name or her widowed surname could be George Hood baptised surname between say 1784 & 1788 in Yorkshire as 1841 census of George Hood of Selby died 1845 Selby age 60
Jane Hood marriage to John Hood mariner has never been found
Jane Hood above could have come from Tyneside George Hood baptised 1786 son of John Hood in Gateshead (This George Hood has no history of infant death/burial, marriage or an adult burial in Tyneside area and also there was no more baptisms to a father John Hood in Gateshead parish +/- 10years before or after 1786 in Gateshead parish to another child of John Hood.
Summary
So we have a George Hood baptized 1786 Gateshead No History
George Hood a cooper by trade appeared in Selby 1812 with no formed history known
Jane Hood wife of John Hood burial 1803 aged 65 in Selby with no known recorded marriage of the couple
Scenario - John Hood the mariner was docked in Gateshead 1786 as this and used Selby residence as a docking address 1786 to stay when there and may have had an docking address in Gateshead Ship as a Innkeeper when not there and run by Jane Hood or Jane ???? maiden name (above) if they were not married.
(most likely the John Hood mariner mentioned below = John Hood born Scarborough 1737/1738 ish first wife Elizabeth Spencer her maiden name later Leppington widow died 1776 in Scarborough mother of Maudland hood/later Mrs Charles Turner of Selby.)
(Looks like ingredients of a recipe)
Only links in red in your above post.
1) John Hood whereabouts 1786 (Approx estimated year George Hood born 1786 ish)
2) Maybe - M. Slipper or Slippen or Shippen or Shipper was a woman 1786 (Possible mother of George Hood maybe born illegitimate)
3) Wren Lane and Millgate Selby are very close
4) Spencer surname linked to John Hood through marriage Scarborough
5) John Spencer grocer ( according another thread was a cooper as well making wash tubs or similar etc)
6) A John Turner was a grocer (and possibly he was a cooper also)
7) Maudland Hood married Charles Turner
*) First encounter of George Hood b1786 ish was a cooper Wren lane Selby 1812
**) A - George Hood residing as a tenant in Knottingley with property owner George Wilkinson 1813 with surnames Cook and Grubb residing there in near years,
***) (Could be Jane ? ->) James Cockin witness present at George Hood and Sarah Russell 1815
Selby
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Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.
One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)
Dobby
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Hello
John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
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Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.
The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.
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Later Transfer of Same Property
Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.
Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs ...
Lease and release
Description 1 John Perfect of Pontefract, gentleman, and John Bayldon of Wakefield, gentleman
2 Sarah Lambe of Pontefract, widow
Elizabeth Vaux of Ackworth, spinster and only daughter and heir of Mary Vaux, late Mary
Heptinstall, spinster, deceased, which said Sarah Lambe and Mary Vaux were two of the daughters
and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of John Heptinstall of East Hardwick, gentleman, and
also the two surviving sisters and co-heirs of Elizabeth Heptinstall, deceased, another daughter
and co-heir of the said Ann, who died intestate, and which said Elizabeth Heptinstall and Mary
Vaux were the two devisees named in the last will and testament of Sarah Birkhead, spinster,
deceased
Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow
John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
George Wood of the Middle Temple, London, esquire eldest son and heir of Jane the late deceased
wife of the Revd George Wood, late of Royston, clerk, deceased, which said Ann Crosland and
Jane Wood were the two daughters and co-heirs of Elizabeth, the late deceased wife of John
Matson of Royston, gentleman, deceased, and which said Ann the wife of the said John
Heptinstall, Sarah Birkhead, spinster and Elizabeth the wife of the said John Matson were the three
sisters and co-heirs of Richard Birkhead of Wakefield, gentleman, deceased
3 William Wigglesworth of Dewsbury, sadler and collar maker
Property: a close of land in Dewsbury called the Lazing Ing
Date 2-3 Feb 1784
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BC74001%2f3%2f127&pos=1
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Hello
John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).
The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-
Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.
Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.
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Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.
The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.
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Later Transfer of Same Property
Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.
Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs ...
Lease and release
Description 1 John Perfect of Pontefract, gentleman, and John Bayldon of Wakefield, gentleman
2 Sarah Lambe of Pontefract, widow
Elizabeth Vaux of Ackworth, spinster and only daughter and heir of Mary Vaux, late Mary
Heptinstall, spinster, deceased, which said Sarah Lambe and Mary Vaux were two of the daughters
and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of John Heptinstall of East Hardwick, gentleman, and
also the two surviving sisters and co-heirs of Elizabeth Heptinstall, deceased, another daughter
and co-heir of the said Ann, who died intestate, and which said Elizabeth Heptinstall and Mary
Vaux were the two devisees named in the last will and testament of Sarah Birkhead, spinster,
deceased
Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow
John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
George Wood of the Middle Temple, London, esquire eldest son and heir of Jane the late deceased
wife of the Revd George Wood, late of Royston, clerk, deceased, which said Ann Crosland and
Jane Wood were the two daughters and co-heirs of Elizabeth, the late deceased wife of John
Matson of Royston, gentleman, deceased, and which said Ann the wife of the said John
Heptinstall, Sarah Birkhead, spinster and Elizabeth the wife of the said John Matson were the three
sisters and co-heirs of Richard Birkhead of Wakefield, gentleman, deceased
3 William Wigglesworth of Dewsbury, sadler and collar maker
Property: a close of land in Dewsbury called the Lazing Ing
Date 2-3 Feb 1784
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BC74001%2f3%2f127&pos=1
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6204685#msg6204685
Hull History Centre Calalogue Only
Papers of the Forbes Adam / Thompson / Lawley (Barons Wenlock) Family of Escrick
/18/145 dated 11-12 February 1795 Assignment of Mortgage as U DDFA/18/139
(i) Smithson Tenant of the Temple, London esq. (only child of Mary Tennant as U DDFA/18/139). (ii) John Stagg now of Ackwith House. (iii) John Tate (as U DDFA/18/139) to. (iv) Philip Holmes of Selby innkeeper and (v) John Watson of Selby tanner.
Underneath, in the Hull H.C. catalogue descriptions is a:- Copy of Phillip Holmes Will and some other document descriptions including Procter of Selby, Tate of Selby, Thompsons and a Cowling.
Foulby is just North of Hemsworth and Sorth Kirkby
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Baptism of Thomas Crossland Cockin son of John Cocking and Mary Crossland 22nd June 1779,
St Margaret with St Gabriel. Fenchurch London
1784
Thomas Crossland (Gentleman) and late wife Ann of Foulby Near Hemsworth had 3 daughters
Mary Cocking Nee Crossland married John Cockin merchant of Fenchurch London (Above)
Ann Stagg nee Crossland married John Stagg of Selby
Eliziabeth Rimington nee Crossland widow of Carleton near Pontefract
(William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.?)
John Stagg later lived at Ackworth house
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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https://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/U-DP99-1
Lease for a year: John Stagg of Selby gent. to Joseph Robinson of South Duffield gent.
1 Apr 1774
Description:
Messuage, barn, croft and 4ac. in the town fields; messuage, parcel on which a house stood, and 3 garths (5ac.) all in South Duffield
There was George William Hood son of Daniel and Jane Hood baptised 24th August 1783 Newgate London justy next st to Fenchurch Just across the river Thames From Southwark.
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Baptism of Thomas Crossland Cockin son of John Cocking and Mary Crossland 22nd June 1779,
St Margaret with St Gabriel. Fenchurch London
1784
Thomas Crossland (Gentleman) and late wife Ann of Foulby Near Hemsworth had 3 daughters
Mary Cocking Nee Crossland married John Cockin merchant of Fenchurch London (Above)
Ann Stagg nee Crossland married John Stagg of Selby
Eliziabeth Rimington nee Crossland widow of Carleton near Pontefract
(William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.?)
John Stagg later lived at Ackworth house
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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https://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/U-DP99-1
Lease for a year: John Stagg of Selby gent. to Joseph Robinson of South Duffield gent.
1 Apr 1774
Description:
Messuage, barn, croft and 4ac. in the town fields; messuage, parcel on which a house stood, and 3 garths (5ac.) all in South Duffield
There was George William Hood son of Daniel and Jane Hood baptised 24th August 1783 Newgate London justy next st to Fenchurch Just across the river Thames From Southwark.
Quote from your archive catalogue document description (in replies 53 & 54)
... Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
End of Quote
Hello Dave and All
Excellent Dave.
The document was saying that an Elizabeth RIMINGTON was nee CROSLAND
AND
John COCKIN married Mary CROSLAND
Also with Cockin and Crossland link and some link to the Hemsworth, Yorkshire, area and Selby (I have not took it in yet, but will need to look it all up and sketch it out).
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I had found in the London Gazette a notice (attached) regarding John Crosland Cockin some years ago, but could not seem to make a Cockin Crosland link in the South Kirkby - Hemsworth area.
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Because, Charles Turner (the Husband of Maudland Hood) had a Brother called William Turner at South Kirkby, Yorkshire, who married Elizabeth Denton, Widow, (nee Elizabeth Crosland).
1788 at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of South Kirkby, Maltster married
Elizabeth Crosland of South Kirkby, Spinster
Present (wits): Jo'n Hanley ; James Watterton.
The Watterton family were neighbours of the Turner, Blacksmith, family at South Kirkby, Yorks,
1792, 5th April, Burials at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of S.K Innkeeper
1792, 28th October, South Kirby
William Turner of South Kirkby in the County of York Blacksmith married
Elizabeth Denton of the Parish aforesaid, Widow
Present (wits): [James? smudged] Haigh ; William Wilson
Confirming, William Turner of South Kirkby, Blacksmith, married nee Elizabeth Crosland.
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I had been looking for a Cockin = Crosland, link ;D
Mark
Added:
1757, Royston, 10th January, by Licence
John Rimington of this Parish, Yeoman, 27 years,
married
Elizabeth Crosland of ye Parish of Foulby, Spinster, 18 years [Licence transcript says Wragby]
Present (wits): Ann Newbould, John Burditt.
All sign.
Foldby or Foulby was a Hamlet in Sharlston in the old Parish of Wragby.
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The Family of Rimmington, of Gateforth [in the Parish of Brayton, Near Selby]
https://archive.org/details/genealogist3619selb/page/n217/mode/2up?q=Crossland
I wonder if John Rimington, Yeoman, of Royston, was related to Rimmington of Gateforth, family?
A descendant of William Turner of South Kirkby, was known to the Turner family as Frances Bayldon daughter of Sarah Rymer, Widow, the daughter of William Turner of South Kirkby. (Bayldon spelt Beldan at the marriage).
In your recent pieces Dave you mention a Bayldon, I think?
Added:
I am going to have to come back to this tomorrow.
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Hi Mark
Obviously you know far more than me, but the picture on this was 2 items of interest:
1) An indirect Cockin link to Selby in the right time frame.
2) Locations:- Charles Turner, (Husband of Maudland Hood ) origins South Kirkby area, John Spencer Grocer of Selby & landlord of John Hood Selby, origins Hemsworth area, then John Cockin Fenchurch London north of River Thames and John Hood mariner of Scarborough & Selby father of Maudland (aforesaid above) visiting Southwark south River Thames directly opposite across from Fenchurch London.
What it means - I don't know.
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Baptism of Thomas Crossland Cockin son of John Cocking and Mary Crossland 22nd June 1779,
St Margaret with St Gabriel. Fenchurch London
1784
Thomas Crossland (Gentleman) and late wife Ann of Foulby Near Hemsworth had 3 daughters
Mary Cocking Nee Crossland married John Cockin merchant of Fenchurch London (Above)
Ann Stagg nee Crossland married John Stagg of Selby
Eliziabeth Rimington nee Crossland widow of Carleton near Pontefract
(William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.?)
John Stagg later lived at Ackworth house
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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https://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/U-DP99-1
Lease for a year: John Stagg of Selby gent. to Joseph Robinson of South Duffield gent.
1 Apr 1774
Description:
Messuage, barn, croft and 4ac. in the town fields; messuage, parcel on which a house stood, and 3 garths (5ac.) all in South Duffield
There was George William Hood son of Daniel and Jane Hood baptised 24th August 1783 Newgate London justy next st to Fenchurch Just across the river Thames From Southwark.
Quote from your archive catalogue document description (in replies 53 & 54)
... Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
End of Quote
Hello Dave and All
Excellent Dave.
The document was saying that an Elizabeth RIMINGTON was nee CROSLAND
AND
John COCKIN married Mary CROSLAND
Also with Cockin and Crossland link and some link to the Hemsworth, Yorkshire, area and Selby (I have not took it in yet, but will need to look it all up and sketch it out).
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Because, Charles Turner (the Husband of Maudland Hood) had a Brother called William Turner at South Kirkby, Yorkshire, who married Elizabeth Denton, Widow, (nee Elizabeth Crosland).
1788 at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of South Kirkby, Maltster married
Elizabeth Crosland of South Kirkby, Spinster
Present (wits): Jo'n Hanley ; James Watterton.
The Watterton family were neighbours of the Turner, Blacksmith, family at South Kirkby, Yorks,
1792, 5th April, Burials at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of S.K Innkeeper
1792, 28th October, South Kirby
William Turner of South Kirkby in the County of York Blacksmith married
Elizabeth Denton of the Parish aforesaid, Widow
Present (wits): [James? smudged] Haigh ; William Wilson
Confirming, William Turner of South Kirkby, Blacksmith, married nee Elizabeth Crosland.
Mark
Added:
1757, Royston, 10th January, by Licence
John Rimington of this Parish, Yeoman, 27 years,
married
Elizabeth Crosland of ye Parish of Foulby, Spinster, 18 years [Licence transcript says Wragby]
Present (wits): Ann Newbould, John Burditt.
All sign.
Foldby or Foulby was a Hamlet in Sharlston in the old Parish of Wragby.
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Hello Dave and All
Thank you Dave.
With the exception of the Turner marriages of South Kirkby I had saved, I also had two of your marriages already saved on another PC (pc inoperable until recently):-
1st)
1757 John Walton = Mary Crosland
2nd)
1776 John Cockin = Mary Walton, Widow
Your document find and information was helpful in locating the other Registers and attached information.
Regarding part of that 1784 document Catalogue summary (highlighted in Green in the quote):-
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BC74001%2f3%2f127&pos=1
Attachment
CROSLAND part of ... IBBOTSON - WILSON - CROSLAND - GARLICKE
FMG (Vol 2, MS268, Ibbotson-Wilson-Crosland-Garlicke, p650+).
FMG = Familiae Minorum Gentium
AMENDED:
These Rimington and Wilson, relate to Broomhead Hall.
I can see no close link to Crosland at South Kirkby, nor to Rimmington at Gateforth, Nr Selby, at the moment.
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1792 at South Kirkby of
William TURNER, Blacksmith = Elizabeth DENTON, Widow (who was nee Elizabeth CROSLAND)
Wits: William WILSON, [ ] HAIGH.
No link found.
Mark
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Hi Mark
First I know that area well, as I use to walk a lot at the lakes, trails at Wintersett, and Hemsworth water park also since I got my OAP free bus over a few years use the 28 bus Barnsley to Pontefract that skirts South Kirkby on its way to Hemsworth, then goes to Fitzwilliam, then takes a few miles on the B6428 to Offley lane roundabout, (Wragby crossroads) then on the A638 to Ackworth roundabout, then on the A628 to Ackworth village, then Featherstone and then onto Pontefract.
I also very occasionally drive to South Elmsall open market, passing through Foulby, pass by Nostell Priory estate, then through Fitzwilliam, Hemsworth, South Kirkby, Moorthorpe to South Elmsall.
At Foulby there's the odd farm, with a only a long row of very old houses at the side of the main road, made of similar stone to those on the Nostell estate buildings and seems to be part of the complex.
What is noticeable is there is no major waterway or canal in this area until you get to Thorne or Doncaster which make me think the London Southwark and Fenchurch was where any connection to John Hood of Selby was made - if any -?, So Maudland Hood/ Turner is the Hemsworth area connection -if any -?
Ackworth House - John Stagg, (off hand) you have a lot of info on Achworth (Quaker School), was it not thought George Hood born 1786 ish may have schooled there in Ackworth,
If you can find the link through Maudland to George you'll have a base to really work on :D going by your dedication so far, with all your lines of research for finding George of Selby's early life pre 1812.
Good Luck
Dave
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Hello Dave
Rimington and Wilson in a printed book on Family Search (attached to previous reply) and a large fold out Tree (too large to attach), relate to Broomhead Hall.
No close link to Rimmington it seems, at Gateforth House, near Selby.
Crosland, seem separate too.
Thanks, Mark
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Baptism of Thomas Crossland Cockin son of John Cocking and Mary Crossland 22nd June 1779,
St Margaret with St Gabriel. Fenchurch London
1784
Thomas Crossland (Gentleman) and late wife Ann of Foulby Near Hemsworth had 3 daughters
Mary Cocking Nee Crossland married John Cockin merchant of Fenchurch London (Above)
Ann Stagg nee Crossland married John Stagg of Selby
Eliziabeth Rimington nee Crossland widow of Carleton near Pontefract
(William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.?)
John Stagg later lived at Ackworth house
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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https://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/U-DP99-1
Lease for a year: John Stagg of Selby gent. to Joseph Robinson of South Duffield gent.
1 Apr 1774
Description:
Messuage, barn, croft and 4ac. in the town fields; messuage, parcel on which a house stood, and 3 garths (5ac.) all in South Duffield
There was George William Hood son of Daniel and Jane Hood baptised 24th August 1783 Newgate London justy next st to Fenchurch Just across the river Thames From Southwark.
Quote from your archive catalogue document description (in replies 53 & 54)
... Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
End of Quote
Hello Dave and All
Excellent Dave.
The document was saying that an Elizabeth RIMINGTON was nee CROSLAND
AND
John COCKIN married Mary CROSLAND
Also with Cockin and Crossland link and some link to the Hemsworth, Yorkshire, area and Selby (I have not took it in yet, but will need to look it all up and sketch it out).
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Because, Charles Turner (the Husband of Maudland Hood) had a Brother called William Turner at South Kirkby, Yorkshire, who married Elizabeth Denton, Widow, (nee Elizabeth Crosland).
1788 at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of South Kirkby, Maltster married
Elizabeth Crosland of South Kirkby, Spinster
Present (wits): Jo'n Hanley ; James Watterton.
The Watterton family were neighbours of the Turner, Blacksmith, family at South Kirkby, Yorks,
1792, 5th April, Burials at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of S.K Innkeeper
1792, 28th October, South Kirby
William Turner of South Kirkby in the County of York Blacksmith married
Elizabeth Denton of the Parish aforesaid, Widow
Present (wits): [James? smudged] Haigh ; William Wilson
Confirming, William Turner of South Kirkby, Blacksmith, married nee Elizabeth Crosland.
Mark
Added:
1757, Royston, 10th January, by Licence
John Rimington of this Parish, Yeoman, 27 years,
married
Elizabeth Crosland of ye Parish of Foulby, Spinster, 18 years [Licence transcript says Wragby]
Present (wits): Ann Newbould, John Burditt.
All sign.
Foldby or Foulby was a Hamlet in Sharlston in the old Parish of Wragby.
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Hello Dave and All
Thank you Dave.
With the exception of the Turner marriages of South Kirkby I had saved, I also had two of your marriages already saved on another PC (pc inoperable until recently):-
1st)
1757 John Walton = Mary Crosland
2nd)
1776 John Cockin = Mary Walton, Widow
Your document find and information was helpful in locating the other Registers and attached information.
Regarding part of that 1784 document Catalogue summary (highlighted in Green in the quote):-
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BC74001%2f3%2f127&pos=1
Attachment
CROSLAND part of ... IBBOTSON - WILSON - CROSLAND - GARLICKE
FMG (Vol 2, MS268, Ibbotson-Wilson-Crosland-Garlicke, p650+).
FMG = Familiae Minorum Gentium
AMENDED:
These Rimington and Wilson, relate to Broomhead Hall.
I can see no close link to Crosland at South Kirkby, nor to Rimmington at Gateforth, Nr Selby, at the moment.
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1792 at South Kirkby of
William TURNER, Blacksmith = Elizabeth DENTON, Widow (who was nee Elizabeth CROSLAND)
Wits: William WILSON, [ ] HAIGH.
No link found.
Mark
You have a James Cockin a witness of a marriage
John Cockin brother in law of John Stagg of Selby and later Ackworth
So its down to : - did William Cockin of Huddersfield (father of John Cockin merchant fenchurch London) have a son called James Cockin or a nephew - cousin of John Hood fenchurch London.
This Crossland mob (family sound a very rich posh lot) origins stemming from Crossland Hall in South Crossland and Crossland moor Huddersfield.
John Hood a captain mariner of a packet boat or coaster and his son in law Charles Turner a blacksmith don't seem quit in the same class. John Stagg seems in the upper class bracket as well being of Ackworth house.
Maybe be another dead end. :-[
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To all or future researchers,
If there is a link to George Hood - it could be that George hood of Selby pre 1812 - he was a small time businessman from London who bought a failed bankrupt cooper business with skilled coopers, to turn into a recovery stock with his business stills, and on paper he was a cooper business owner, but defined himself on documents as his occupation as just a 'cooper' which would explain why he change his businesses to brewing and tanning which needed skilled people in all these trades and most important of all George Hood could not have been apprentice trained in all 3 trades of being a cooper, brewer or tanner. . Thus John Hood and daughter Maudland Hood later Mrs Charles Turner could have been a coincidence in this scenario! that they just happened to be living in Selby with the surname Hood and no connection to George Hood.
( There as always been a class distinction between maritime Hood's of Selby to this comer in of George Hood to Selby to buy a failed business, with his business skills and class of his standing of wealth but more his business skills' Hence why!! no connection can be found between John Hood mariner or George Hood businessman both of Selby, over many years of serious research by Mark and no history of George Hood pre 1812 but lots on John Hood)
The connection of John Cocking a merchant of Fenchurcch street, London, who age in 1784 would be a man of age and could have had a son or grandson called James Cocking more to George Hood born 1786 ish age at the time of George Hood marriage to Sarah Russell of Selby 1815 Selby.
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Hello Dave and All
I have always understood that when the house in Millgate, Selby, occupied by John Hood at Selby was transferred in 1790, that William Rimington of Pontefract (one of the parties) mentioned in the Transfer document, was linked to the Rimmington of Gateforth Family, because they also owned property at Pontefract according to the Yorks Arch. Soc. Handlist ...
YAS MD 212 Handlist of Documents, Rimmington of Gateforth Collection
YAS DD212.pdf
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://explore.library.leeds.ac.uk/multimedia/19357/YAS_DD212.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj-2YS3k8n4AhVkQEEAHWXSBcIQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Dgua28sZvcymUDnQ9P_sT
The other things are :-
John Hood appears in the earliest Selby Land Tax we have of 1781.
1) Also currently we have no Marriage for John Hood of Selby, Mariner, marriage, to Jane (buried Selby 1803).
2) No known Yorkshire baptism for George Hood of Selby c.1785 (from his age of 60 years at his death at Selby in 1845).
2nd Add:
We also know John Hood of Selby, Mariner, was born Scarborough (Muster Rolls) and when Maudland Turner (nee Hood) had her first child at Selby in 1795 her descent was stated and also she was born Scarborough.
Scarborough Banns in 1781 John Hood to marry Martha Dean, but no record of the Marriage was found, either.
Added:
I'm thinking, John Hood, Mariner of Selby, had turned to Nonconformism and John Turner, Grocer, his Landlord, might be the same John Turner who was listed in the 1781 Selby Land Tax as Proprietor of the Presbyterian Chapel (earliest baptism records 1797).
Mark
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Hi Mark,
That John Stagg of Selby (brother in law of John Cockin merchant of London) later Ackworth house ( a place of Quakers and some of George Hood's children in laws were Quakers with George and his wife Sarah being buried in a Quaker burial ground in Selby as none practicing Quackers ) south side of Pontefract.
Just thinking outside the box.
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Assuming it was the Selby John Hood mariner who was in the marriage Banns readings to Martha Dean 1781 Scarborough register but for reason unknown, the actual marriage did not happen or not recorded, their relationship could have continue resulting a birth of an illegitimate child ?
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Dave,
Yes, still be a child conceived whether they married or not - these frisky HOOD-lums ;D
Mark