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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: youngones82 on Saturday 10 March 18 17:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I am trying to find the death record for my ancestor Alexander McLeod:
Born in Dundee on 10th May 1871 to Daniel McLeod and Alison Grubb.
Married Margaret Thomson on 12th February 1892 in Dundee.
His son Daniel McLeod was born in Dundee on 7th May 1897. Alexander registered the birth on 19th May 1897.
On 6th October 1899 Margaret Thomson McLeod, his widow, remarried in Dundee.
So Alexander died sometime between 19th May 1897 and 6th October 1899, but I cannot find the record of his death. I have searched Scotland's People. Definitely nothing in Dundee but cannot find any records that match anywhere else in Scotland either. I have searched Ancestry in case he moved away before he died but haven't found anything.
I was wondering if anyone might have any ideas or be able to help?
Also, I was wondering if widows had to prove their marital status before remarrying? Would Margaret have been able to lie? Maybe Alexander left the family and I am making my search criteria too narrow?
Thanks.
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There are 2 death records for the years you mentioned which might be worth checking
Alexander Macleod age 24 death 1897 Anderston
Alexander McLeod age 26 death 1899 Ayr
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
Yep, already checked them both and neither are the right Alexander unfortunately.
The first was an Engine Fitter's apprentice, son of John MacLeod and Agnes Shaw. The second was a Fisherman or Seaman, son of Alexander McLeod and Georgina Stewart. Both were single.
Thanks for checking :)
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Hello,
do you have an address for Alexander at time of his sons birth ?
and what was his occupation ?
cheers,
Snowolf
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Hi Rosie,
Yep, already checked them both and neither are the right Alexander unfortunately.
The first was an Engine Fitter's apprentice, son of John MacLeod and Agnes Shaw. The second was a Fisherman or Seaman, son of Alexander McLeod and Georgina Stewart. Both were single.
Thanks for checking :)
That's a pity not seeing anything so far with immigration records ..what was his occupation ?
And Welcome to Rootschat :)
Rosie
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Hi Rosie and Snowolf,
Looks like he had various jobs in the Jute mills. On the 1891 census he was a 'Calendar Worker' , at the time of Daniel's birth he was a 'Jute Mill Overseer'. However the record of his wife's death has him as a 'Dairyman'.
When Daniel was born they lived at 7 Forest Park Road, Dundee. When his wife remarried she lived at 3 Forest Park Road, Dundee.
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Am I reading this correctly?
".. However the record of his wife's death has him as a 'Dairyman'."
Where and when did Margaret die........and a record (death certificate?) that gave the occupation of her first husband?
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Hello youngones82,
Seems to be a bit of a mystery ,
looking at post office directories there is an ALEXANDER MCLEOD from 1884 up to 1896 ,
occupation = "Mill Overseer" living at 43 Princes Street.
Then from 1896 up to 1900 he is still a "Mill Overseer" but now living at 54 Princes Street .
this is the mystery bit ...he seems to have died in 1901 (St Peters area)
they have him listed as age 54,which would make him born in 1847,which doesn't come in with your Alexander been born in 1871.
But he is the only one i can see listed as mill overseer.
Also can't find him listed in Forest Park Road.
you mention about the record on his wife's death record? but didnt she re-marry after Alex's death ? or do you mean he is mentioned on HER death certifictae as husband number 1?
where is your Alexander living in the 1891 cencus ?
cheers
snowolf ;D
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This seems to be Alexander McLeod on the 1891 census
Address 3,John Street ST Mary Dundee
Daniel McLeod age 63( shoemaker )
Allison McLeod age 61
Alexander McLeod age 19 son ( calender worker )
Jessie McLeod age 15 daughter
Daniel McLeod age 8 grandson
1895 Alexander McLeod address on Valuation Rolls is 7,Forest Park Road Dundee
Is this the marriage Margaret Thomson/McLeod 1899 St Peter Dundee to David Baxter
Would this be the family on the 1901 census address 21.Winton Terrace Shettleston Glasgow ?
David Baxter age 34 b Dundee ( coal miner )
Margaret Baxter age 28 b Dundee
Alexander Baxter age 7 b Dundee
Joseph Baxter age 8 b Dundee
Daniel Baxter age 3 b Dundee
Helen Baxter age 2 months b Shettleston
Rosie
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Might be worth while searching Newspapers to see if there is any mention of a death or Military Records
Rosie
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There is another possibility that I would like to put forward. It will not assist you in finding a death record for him but could explain why his wife described herself as a widow when she remarried in 1899.
His occupation you say was a Mill Overseer. At that time in Dundee some of the Overseers went out to India perhaps Calcutta (my 2 x Great Uncle and his son went out there in 1899). If he died out there between 1897 and 1899 then his wife would have been telling the truth when she remarried.
With regard to his occupation of dairyman appearing on his wife's death certificate I wouldn't bother too much about this. Death certificates can be inaccurate depending on who the informant was.
Dorrie
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Hi all,
Many thanks indeed for your replies.
Wivenhoe you are reading that correctly but I'm not sure I am. It certainly looks like Dairyman but can't be sure. Margaret died on 13th Janaury 1959 in Dundee - death record attached.
Snowolf - that's right, she is listed as widow of 1st Alexander McLeod and 2nd David Baxter.
Rosie - yes all the info you have found is correct. That's him on the 1891 census living with his parents. He married Margaret the following year. The 1899 marriage to David Baxter is correct and that is indeed them on the 1901 census in Glasgow (David Baxter was from Glasgow. 1899 marriage record attached, his address is '2 Wellshot something something, Glasgow'). Alexander, Joseph and Daniel are all Alexander's sons (so technically McLeods not Baxters), Helen is the first child of the second marriage.
downdstree - I think you are on to something. Back when Brian Cox did a documentary on Jute and Dundee, I remember my great aunt (so Alexander's granddaughter) mentioning that we had a relative who went to Calcutta, they thought he was going to go there and make his fortune, but died really young! Now I'm thinking this could have been Alexander. I hadn't realised she was speaking of her grandfather. I assumed it was someone young and single, not married with three children. I had complete forgot about this until you mentioned it.
Is there any way I could find out more about this? Immigration records or death records in India? I suspect that will be very difficult if not impossible?
Thanks everyone, you've been very helpful.
ETA: The informant on Margaret's death certificate was her son-in-law, so definitely not the most reliable source for her first husband's (who died 60 years earlier) occupation.
Oh and I will try searching newspaper articles also.
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Familysearch has a death for an Alexander Macleod 24th march 1898 , burial 25th March 1898 Burdwan Bengal India , born 1870 , age 28.
No further information.
ev
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Hi ev,
Thank you. I have been able to find this on Ancestry also. This looks likely to be him.
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Have you checked the passenger lists , there's an A. Mcleod going to Calcutta in 1897 ? :-\
ev
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There is a record for A McLeod departure London 22 January 1897
Destination Calcutta India this chap is down as being single
There is also a record for Mr Macleod
Departure 7/10/1897
Destination Calcutta
Ship Malta unfortunately no occupation is given
Rosie
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Thanks both,
I don't think the first can be him Rosie as he registered Daniel's birth in Dundee in May 1897. Maybe the second one in October though...
Can anyone tell me what the word on the right is? It is under 'Occupation or Calling'.
ETA: Never mind - that's Calcutta to London - wrong direction!
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It looks like engineer and there is also a few records incoming and outgoing for this chap I would say
Rosie
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Find my past also has the record of death for Alexander Macleod transcript and image ..don't know what information would be on it but maybe worth a try
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
I am convinced this is the correct person. Forfarian has kindly sent me the image of the burial record and the Occupation is 'Spinning master, Subhas (maybe? Can't quite make out the name) Jute Mill'.
He died of Cholera.
Thanks again for everyone's help.
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Might it be 'Subpur'?
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https://wiki.fibis.org/w/Sibpur#Spelling_variants
This gives "Seebpore" as one of the spellngs for modern day Shibpur. Although the section "Jute in India" on the site has maps, but I can't find the mill, but perhaps someone else can help.
Breaky
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Hi Rosie,
I am convinced this is the correct person. Forfarian has kindly sent me the image of the burial record and the Occupation is 'Spinning master, Subhas (maybe? Can't quite make out the name) Jute Mill'.
He died of Cholera.
Thanks again for everyone's help.
Yes I would agree..... maybe there would be some mention in Newspaper's
Rosie