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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: amiatk on Thursday 01 March 18 09:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi looking for information on Williams parents. He was a surveyor who came to Australia in the ship Champion to undertake survey work with Sir Thomas Mitchell. He then went to New Zealand in 1842. He married Harriet Pilkington in 1853. I have lots of information on his time in NZ but nothing about his family in Ireland.
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I noticed you were investigating a Montgomery, my great grandmother was a Montgomery and lived in Cavan. I did a bit of googling and found This obituary page for WB Montgomery:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19070319.2.9
Don’t know if it’s of any help.
Good luck in your quest.
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Hi thanks - still struggling to find anything about him whilst he was in Ireland.
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Is this yours??
Anonymous said...
My husband's great grandmother Rose Mason nee Synnot was an illegitemate daughter of Parker George Synnot. Born about 1856 and sent to New Zealand about 1861-64 and was fostered by William Bartley Montgomery and family. Several of us are trying to find her birth mother, ship she was on and with whom and the year she arrived in NZ. We have quite a bit on her NZ life after marriage etc.
Her mother could have been the daughter of a cobbler or miller.
Hope someone can help.
Margaret
25 March 2012 at 04:28
Has anyone looked for Parker George Synnot to see where he lived?
http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2015/02/ballymoyer-house.html
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Dave,
You are always good at providing information, the link you posted in reply to amiatk has information on Farnham House, my grandfather (his mother was Isabella Montgomery) worked for Lord Farnham so I’m going to take a look at this.
Thanks
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Dave,
You are always good at providing information, the link you posted in reply to amiatk has information on Farnham House, my grandfather (his mother was Isabella Montgomery) worked for Lord Farnham so I’m going to take a look at this.
Thanks
When Farnham got married in London one of mine gave the Welcome Home speech.... got a Thank You letter afterwards and envelope has a Penny Black stamp on it! Not in my possession.... :'(
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Wow, small world 🌍
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Does William Bartley Montgomery's marriage and/or death certificates give details of parents?
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His death certificate lists his parents as Jane and George
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Any other relevant information to disclose??
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You can look for parent's deaths now if they died 1864+
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m7n/
districts for Cavan can be looked for here https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
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The names involved are hardly rare for that era and county, but just to note that there was a Church of Ireland baptism on 31 March 1822 for a son William Montgomery for parents listed as George Montgomery and Jane Montgomery, the address / location was 'Derriheen'.
I imagine that meant the townland of Derryheen just southwest of Butlersbridge:
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/loughtee-upper/urney/cavan-rural/derryheen/
https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/D/Derryheen-Upper-Loughtee-Cavan.php
The tithe applotment books show a George and Thomas Montgomery listed against that townland in 1826 (part of the Farnham Estate):
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587397/004587397_00181.pdf
There are several mentions of a George Montgomery in the following 'Farnham Papers', including a deed of surrender for Derryheen in 1835:
http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/farnham2.pdf
A very lengthy article in the Meath People and Cavan and Westmeath Chronicle of 19 March 1859 carried an account of a meeting in Cavan Courthouse about land improvement, presided over by Sir Richard Griffiths and attended by several influential landowners - at that meeting, a George Montgomery was examined, he was described as an inspector on Lord Farnham's estate for nearly 18 years and was able to advise the meeting on the nature and value of the land, eg. in relation to drainage / flooding.
Griffith's Valuation has several entries that might be relevant, but as I said, the name is hardly rare. All very speculative stuff, but for you to note regarding other possible leads online or until you can rule it out.
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I look on the passenger ship list Champion 12.2.1842
William Montgomery aged 19 from Monaghan
http://www.nsw.gov.au
Assisted immigrants
Marriage, children, with will mentioned on family search
http://www.familysearch.org
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Here are some additional facts
Born abt 1823 Cavan
1835 ish educated at Coote Hill
1842 Emigrated to Australia to do survey work with Sir Thomas Mitchell
1848 Arrived NZ
1849-1852 California
1853 married Harriet Louise Pilkington
Raised 10 children including my Great Grandfather Theodore Arthur Montgomery born 1875 and their grandson Percy ( William Bartley Jnrs son)
1907 Died
I have lots of information on William once he arrived in NZ. That includes information from Papers Past - obituary, immigration documents, photos, will, years and years of documents for a Syndicate that owned a Samoan Plantation. His death certificate. He and his wife owned pubs in Auckland and rather Coromandel and also large pieces of the Te Atatu peninsular.
He was a surveyor so if anyone knows where I could find ieducational information in Ireland that would be great.
Along with any other Irish leads. I’ll take a look at the info provided on George and Jane Montgomery.
George was born in Tiranny, County Monaghan, Ireland
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There may not be any records about his education in Ireland.
One of my husband's relatives (born in 1820s) worked at surveying local farms (we have the original map he did for our farm) but was actually a teacher in the local school and had no formal training to become a surveyor.