RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: LindaN on Saturday 24 February 18 02:54 GMT (UK)
-
I am having trouble sorting out Eva's family and am hoping someone may be able to assist.
Eva HARDAKER was born 1857 Yeadon and I know she married William Thompson WORMALD in 1877 Wharfedale but only have the index results so can't double check the parents names.
I have a birth cert. that lists her parents as John HARDAKER and Mary Ann HARDAKER formally UMPLEBY.
In 1861 Eva is living with her Grandparents Joseph and Martha BOOTH and their daughter Eliza. I have no idea where the BOOTH name has come from.
In 1871 Eva is still living with her now widowed grandfather Joseph BOOTH, his daughter Eliza BOOTH and his grandson Enos UMPLEBY.
I thought I'd track Eva's mother Mary Ann in the previous census' and found her living with her parent Joseph and Martha UMPLEBY in '41 and '51.
By this stage I'm getting very confused with UMPLEBY/BOOTH so I thought I would try and find out more about Eva's cousin Enos UMPLEBY that was in the '71 census with her.
In 1861 Enos UMPLEBY is living in Leeds with Robinson and Jane CHILD and is listed as a relative. In 1881 he is going by the name Enos Booth UMPLEBY and is married with 4 children. By 1901 he is going by Enos BOOTH. Finally in 1911 he is back to Enos UMPLEBY but his son Fred has the surname BOOTH.
I would love it if anyone can shed any idea on what is going on with the surnames. Also if anyone can trace the marriage certs. for either Eva and William or John and Mary Ann so I can double check parents names that would be great. I can't seem to find them, only the index.
-
Enos Umpleby (20) married at Yeadon on 24 Feb 1872, naming his father as John Cockshott, a weaver ???
-
Birth registered as Enos Umpelby, Sep qtr 1851 Otley - no separate mother’s maiden name listed, suggesting it was a birth out of wedlock.
-
So:
1851: Joseph & Martha Umpleby are in Yeadon with Elizabeth 23, Mary Ann 21, Edwin 18, Jane 15, Eliza 12
1851 (Sep qtr): Enos is born, presumably to one of their unmarried daughters
1853: Mary Ann Umpleby marries John Hardaker
1856: Jane Umpleby marries Robinson Child
1857: Eva Hardaker is born to John & Mary Ann
1861 (census): Joseph & Martha, now calling themselves Booth, have granddaughter Eva with them.
1861 (census): Enos is with his aunt, Jane Child.
-
HARDAKER, EVA ...
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in OTLEY Volume 09A Page 134
There are 2 deaths for John and Mary Ann in Otley 1860 and 1861, the Mary Ann one seems ok but John appears to old.
HARDAKER, MARY ANN 29
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in OTLEY Volume 09A Page 106
HARDAKER, JOHN 87
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in OTLEY Volume 09A Page 105
-
Not necessarily too old, if she had married the John Hardaker who was the Umplebys’ next door neighbour in 1841 - then aged “70”. Obviously this would be a curious match!
I notice that in 1851 the Umpleby family lived next door to a Cockshott family (widow Betty and daughters), which is interesting in light of Enos’ claim on his marriage that his father was a John Cockshott.
-
Now found a marriage for Elizabeth Umpleby to (possibly) John Cockshott, Sep qtr 1851 Otley, which suggests they may be the parents of Enos.
-
Thanks for all the help so far, its starting to clear up a few things. I have just found a possible marriage for Eva's grandparents. Joseph UMPLEBY and Martha BINNS m. 9 May 1827 Guiseley. What's interesting is that on the same page married later the same month are Eva's husband William WORMALD's grandparents William and Mary.
If only we could find these elusive parish marriage records to find some parents names. Booth is still an enigma too.
-
I'm afraid that you will have to buy the 1877 marriage certificate for Eva Hardaker and Thomas Wormald as the location was "Wharfe District Registered Building" = Register Office.
Information you need to order the certificate = Eva Hardaker - Wharfedale (Registration District) 9a (volume number) and 229 (page number) and March quarter 1877
Added:
And I'm afraid that the same goes for John Hardacre and Mary Ann Umpleby's marriage - 1853 - at Otley District Registered Building.
John Hardaker - Otley Registration District, volume 9a, page 186 and March quarter 1853
Only purchase these from GRO (cheapest option) at £9.25 per copy.
Information related to marriage locations = YorkshireBMD. GRO references from FreeBMD.
-
Yes thanks, that was my next step. I have only just received an order from them which gave me Eva's birth certificate otherwise I would have ordered more on her parents etc at the time.
Its a never ending money pit if I'm not careful so I just get a few important ones at a time. I just thought it was worth trying to find them in others ways if possible first.
-
Hi Linda; I believe we are first cousins once removed. I've done a bit of research on Eva Hardaker's extended family – including the conundrum of Enos Umpleby/Booth (he seems to have used both surnames at different times).
I haven't got much further than anyone else, but my current hypothesis is that Eva and Enos were foster children. Neither of them seems to have been closely related to their nominal "grandparents" Joseph & Martha Booth (more on that point below). I believe that in that era, widowers like John Hardaker were often forced, by practical considerations, if not by law, community attitudes etc to foster out their children. The Booths, with an unmarried daughter (Eliza) in the workforce and providing a second income, seem to fit the profile of a foster family. They would not have been wealthy, given that they were involved in weaving, but may have been comfortable.
I have Eva's birth certificate, which confirms the names of her parents, but that's about it. Enos's birth cert – which I haven't got should shed some light – we can count on the name of his mother being correct at least.
It seems quite possible that Eva and Enos were either biological cousins or half-siblings, but they may not have been related at all.
Part of the problem with this situation is the almost unbelievable prevalence of Booth as a surname in West Yorkshire at the time.
* Enos married an Elizabeth Richardson, whose half-brother was a David Booth. David also does not seem to have been related to Joseph & Martha Booth. But ... David did marry Mary Hustler, a first cousin of Eva Hardaker! (Mary Hustler being a daughter of Margaret Hustler, née Hardaker.)
* William Hardaker, an uncle of Eva (and brother of John Hardaker and Margaret Hustler), also married a Booth who doesn't seem to be closely related to Joseph & Martha, i.e. Mary Ann Booth, born circa 1821 (daughter of a John Booth, born c. 1796; mother's name unknown).
* These three different Booth family lines do not seem to intersect at all within the few generations preceding.
* I could be completely wrong about any of the above points; there are now so many people called "John", "Mary Ann" etc in that part of tree that it makes my head spin ::)
-
Hi Grantl, I have wondered myself if the Booth's may have just been nominal grandparents. It would be very coincidental though as in the later census' the Booth's have the same first names, ages, places of birth and general occupation as Eva's Mums parents and sister Eliza in the earlier census'. I guess having the same birth place and occupation would be very common at that time in the area though. Its so hard to know what is going on when looking this far back.
I hadn't got as far as looking into John Hardaker's family yet so your information about them and the many Booth's is interesting.
I am going to send you a PM as well.
-
Thanks Linda. It seems I have to post here three times before I can reply to your PM. But, yes, I got it and I am the person you suggested.
I'm still digesting the interesting information and suggestions above from you, avm228, SolidRock and BumbleB.
avm's finding of an 1851 marriage involving a John Cockshott and Elizabeth Umpleby is especially interesting. If that _was_ Joseph and Martha's daughter, an acrimonious split between her and John C might explain why Enos didn't use the name Cockshott. It might also contribute to a name change by his mother and grandparents. But it still doesn't answer all the questions, e.g. if the Umplebys became the Booths for official purposes, why didn't they also change Enos's name?
By the way, I'm fairly confident that our Mary Ann Hardaker nee Umpleby died in 1860. Also that the widowed John Hardaker moved back in with his parents (William & Mary) in Yeadon. That is, there are individuals fitting the bill in the 1861 Census, although the census collector's terrible handwriting has made it look as though their surname is "Hardalla". One clue is the presence of John's niece and nephew, Mary Hustler and William Hustler. If we skip to 1881, John (aged 62) appears to be living with his widowed mother, Mary Hardaker, aged 83, his now-married niece, Mary Booth (nee Hustler), and her husband David Booth (who, as I mentioned earlier, was Enos Umpleby's brother in law, but not related to our other Booths). In the January–March quarter of 1891, we have the death of a John Hardaker age 72, in the Bradford registration district (vol. 9b, p. 174). (And our John does not seem to appear in the Census that year.)
-
I've been trying to think about what may have made them change their name and have searched UK newspapers but haven't found anything. The thing that bugs me is that if they did change their names because of something bad happening I don't really see the point as they have stayed living in the same area. Surely everyone knew what their real name was. Unless it was just for the census' that they did it.
-
Ah, I think that the Elizabeth Umpleby married in 1851 to a John Cockshott, in Otley reg dist is not our Eliza Umpleby i.e. the sister of Mary Ann Hardaker and Jane Child. That is:
* There seem to have been at least two couples named Joseph & Martha Umpleby, with daughters called Elizabeth, born in West Yorkshire in the mid/late 1820s :o one baptised in Guiseley and one in Wakefield.
* Eliza Cockshott, born c. 1825 at Methley (on the outskirts of Wakefield) is living with her husband John Cockshott (born c. 1826 Yeadon) at the time of the 1861 Census (i.e. when Enos is with Eliza Booth and her parents). This Eliza appears to have died some time between 1864 (when her youngest son was born) and the 1871 census, when John is a widower.
-
Not sure if this is of any interest....A major study of Hardaker in W Yorkshire
http://hardakerfamily.id.au/
It would appear that Hardaker s had a strong presence in West Yorkshire, namely Rawdon, Guiseley, Yeadon etc.
-
Ah, I think that the Elizabeth Umpleby married in 1851 to a John Cockshott, in Otley reg dist is not our Eliza Umpleby i.e. the sister of Mary Ann Hardaker and Jane Child. That is:
* There seem to have been at least two couples named Joseph & Martha Umpleby, with daughters called Elizabeth, born in West Yorkshire in the mid/late 1820s :o one baptised in Guiseley and one in Wakefield.
* Eliza Cockshott, born c. 1825 at Methley (on the outskirts of Wakefield) is living with her husband John Cockshott (born c. 1826 Yeadon) at the time of the 1861 Census (i.e. when Enos is with Eliza Booth and her parents). This Eliza appears to have died some time between 1864 (when her youngest son was born) and the 1871 census, when John is a widower.
Not sure I agree with your conclusion - though obviously there is work to be done to establish a positive link. The mother’s maiden name for this couple’s daughter Phillis Ann Cockshott (Dec qtr 1856 Otley) is shown on GRO online as Wright, so if Eliza is her mother she seems to be nee Wright rather than the “other” Elizabeth Umpleby.
There is a death in Otley district for an Elizabeth Cockshott in Jun qtr 1854 (FreeBMD) - can’t find it on GRO for her age unfortunately - but if this is John’s wife he may have subsequently formed a new relationship with an Eliza Wright leading to the family unit seen in 1861.
-
GRO have Elizabeth as Cockshell - aged 26.
-
GRO have Elizabeth as Cockshell - aged 26.
Ah - well found. So her age is consistent with that of ‘our’ Elizabeth Umpleby, who was 23 in 1851.
-
Thanks for everyone's help and thank you Cir for that website address. That does include my Hardaker's.
-
Thanks to everyone from me also.
I can personally vouch for the reliability and usefulness of that Hardaker genealogy website. As it happens, I got a lot of information regarding Eva's extended family from that site.