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Title: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 10:41 GMT (UK)
I have acquired a cookbook, inscribed for Bazil Grange, 1862; the book was sold by a Liverpool stationer (their sticker is on the first page), and there is indeed a Bazil Grange in West Derby.

https://www.onthemarket.com/details/3715608/

Quite a big pile!

Googling says it was once owned by a "John Caton Thompson of Bazil Grange,West Derby"

it shows nicely on the 1901 OS map;

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.4249&lon=-2.9150&layers=6&b=5

But I have failed to find it in the 1861 census. Can anyone find it?

   BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 18 February 18 11:34 GMT (UK)
On an 1851 Street Index, Brazil Grange is in Sandford Street.

Maybe that may help?
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 11:41 GMT (UK)
On an 1851 Street Index, Brazil Grange is in Sandford Street.

Maybe that may help?
I'll give it a go - thank you!

 BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 18 February 18 12:34 GMT (UK)
Not sure but:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Y2-X2H

There are a couple of newspaper articles (marriages) for the daughters of Thomas ROGERSON giving the address as Bazil Grange.

Earlier mentions are for Bazil Grange..Sandfield Park.

Maureen
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 13:12 GMT (UK)
I found Bazil Grange (labelled) in 1871 census;

Class: RG10/3848/78 Page: 39

James Lister, Banker, b1804, Lancs.

Backtracking to 1861, he was living in a different part of town.  :-[

  BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 13:12 GMT (UK)
Not sure but:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Y2-X2H

There are a couple of newspaper articles (marriages) for the daughters of Thomas ROGERSON giving the address as Bazil Grange.

Earlier mentions are for Bazil Grange..Sandfield Park.

Maureen
Wow - that looks wonderful - off to follow up now.

 BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 18 February 18 13:13 GMT (UK)
Basil Grange is marked on this 1851 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/339328/392382/10/101393

Stan
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 13:44 GMT (UK)
1851 Census for Thomas Rogerson;

Class: HO107/2192/911 p 29

 BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 18 February 18 16:55 GMT (UK)
Thomas Rogerson died, 26 Dec 1867, aged 64 (BNArchive/Morning Post - Tuesday 31 December 1867 , page 8  )

  BugBear
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: Blue70 on Sunday 18 February 18 18:50 GMT (UK)
Sign in to view this Family Search link showing the relevant pages from the 1861 census. The addresses recorded are quite limited in just describing the general vicinity and not the names of individual properties so you have various properties under the titles Sandfield Park, Sandforth Road, Mill Lane etc:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L92X-4K1B?cat=513754


Blue
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: anneelaine on Thursday 05 September 24 01:45 BST (UK)
Hi, it looks like I have found a brother (Thomas Rogerson) to my great x1  grandfather, William Bell Rogerson born in  1798  Dublin , 
The Grange has now been turned into flats,
each day I get something new.
 more about my family no one would speak about On the Rogerson.
AE
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Thursday 05 September 24 08:43 BST (UK)
I tried to send you a message re:Rogerson, but it was blocked?
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: anneelaine on Thursday 05 September 24 22:54 BST (UK)
Hey Bugbear
 I have been up all night and it's not making sense
trying to find Thomas Rogerson's father but it's not saying anything,  I know for sure that's George Nugent  P Rogerson  I believe to be his Uncle or cuz
 In one of the big houses down the road in west Derby 1800s  George N P is a great uncle to me
       Oh no what's going on Mmmm
what have I done will try and sort it out
Thanks. AE
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Friday 06 September 24 08:35 BST (UK)
I'm trying to send you some data, but...
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: anneelaine on Saturday 07 September 24 00:20 BST (UK)
Hello,
 Think I have sorted it Now , I hope so .AE
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Saturday 07 September 24 08:52 BST (UK)
I got your message, but I'm still blocked when I try to reply.
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: anneelaine on Saturday 07 September 24 22:38 BST (UK)
OK what have I done Mmmm
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: anneelaine on Friday 13 September 24 22:24 BST (UK)
 :) Think I have sorted it now .Thanks
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Saturday 14 September 24 08:13 BST (UK)
:) Think I have sorted it now .Thanks

Success, I think!
Title: Re: Bazil Grange, Liverpool in 1861 census?
Post by: bugbear on Sunday 29 September 24 16:15 BST (UK)
Having reviewed anneelaine's other posts, I am fairly certain that these particular Rogersons of Fazakerley/Walton-on-the-Hill are not related to her Rogersons.

However, I have done quite a bit of research on them, which doesn't duplicate any other I can find.

So as a general service to the community, I present it here.

I think the two successive wives of Edward Rogerson (Ann Ashcroft and "Nancy") are one and the same, but I've recorded them separately until the evidence is certain.