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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: welshspencer on Wednesday 24 January 18 18:12 GMT (UK)
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i am looking for Mary Jane Quigley Turberville she was born 1871 in morton in marsh Gloucester the daughter of Thomas Turberville from cowbridge and Jane Quigley from abergavenny.
they had a son David beven Quigley born abergavenny 1874 and died 1897 without issue
i found her brith as Mary J Turberville but can not find a death or marriage for her.. she vanished lol
any help appreciated
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In 1891 living with her mother in Abergavenny - RG12 /4347 f50 p12
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Could she be .... May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Turberville 😀, of 24 Mordew Rd, daughter of Thomas Edward Turberville. Married William Henry Thomas at St John’s, Maindee, Newport, Monmouthshire on 4 Dec 1909?
Her father was deceased, and an ironmonger.
William was a widower, a gentleman, of Victoria Park Rd, Cardiff
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In 1891 living with her mother in Abergavenny - RG12 /4347 f50 p12
yes and in 1881 she is at home with her mother and her father Edward is staying st his mothers pub in cowbridge
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Could she be .... May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Turberville 😀, of 24 Mordew Rd, daughter of Thomas Edward Turberville. Married William Henry Thomas at St John’s, Maindee, Newport, Monmouthshire on 4 Dec 1909?
Her father was deceased, and an ironmonger.
William was a widower, a gentleman, of Victoria Park Rd, Cardiff
Hi there
it is possible but her name has changed some . lol her father in the 1871 census taken in abergavenny says he was an iron monger and he died 1888..
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The 1871 also says her father is Thomas Edward .....
If it helps, the witnesses were James Berry or Perry, and Constance Ethel Radcliffe.
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Could she be .... May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Turberville 😀, of 24 Mordew Rd, daughter of Thomas Edward Turberville. Married William Henry Thomas at St John’s, Maindee, Newport, Monmouthshire on 4 Dec 1909?
Her father was deceased, and an ironmonger.
William was a widower, a gentleman, of Victoria Park Rd, Cardiff
but when i found the death for this lady it says she was born 1865? but no birth for her with this name
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Possible son.... Francis Henry Capel Picton Thomas, mother Turberville, registered in Cardiff, JunQ 1909. 11a, 354.
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her death shown is 47 yeas which is 1865, i wonder if it was transcribed wrong and it should say age 42
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i could not find her in the 1901 to confirm her brith place
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her death shown is 47 yeas which is 1865, i wonder if it was transcribed wrong and it should say age 42
Could she be .... May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Turberville 😀, of 24 Mordew Rd, daughter of Thomas Edward Turberville. Married William Henry Thomas at St John’s, Maindee, Newport, Monmouthshire on 4 Dec 1909?
Her father was deceased, and an ironmonger.
William was a widower, a gentleman, of Victoria Park Rd, Cardiff
but when i found the death for this lady it says she was born 1865? but no birth for her with this name
How do you know her death if you didn’t know her married name?
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i know her birth year is 1870
i checked the death year of
May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Thomas which shows this lady died in 1912 aged 47 which gives a birth year of 1865 not 1870 unless her age was not 47 but 42 which would give a birth year of 1970
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If the Francis HCPT Thomas is her son, he married twice.... in 1934 to Millie R Davies (in Gower, Swansea) and in 1951 also in Swansea to a ? Griffiths.
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but cannot find them in the 1911 census which would confirm her brith place
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i know her birth year is 1870
i checked the death year of
May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Thomas which shows this lady died in 1912 aged 47 which gives a birth year of 1865 not 1870 unless her age was not 47 but 42 which would give a birth year of 1970
Apologies, I hadn’t found her death 🙄
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but cannot find them in the 1911 census which would confirm her brith place
No I can’t either, but it does look like her, esp with the father’s name and occupation matching.
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Just realised that the son’s birth was registered - as Thomas - before they were married. And the GRO is showing mmn as Turberville.
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but cannot find them in the 1911 census which would confirm her brith place
No I can’t either, but it does look like her, esp with the father’s name and occupation matching.
yes i must say it is a good match even tho her name changes some ,, but her mothers maiden name being Quigley. and her father being Thomas Edward and an iron monger,
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Just realised that the son’s birth was registered - as Thomas - before they were married. And the GRO is showing mmn as Turberville.
what do u mean son was registered as thomas before they were married ?
and i thought it didn't give mother madian name until 1912 ?
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how do you know francis mother was a turberville as can't see that on his birth on the GRO
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Just found the couple in 1911 but not the possible son. Can’t post 1911 details but doesn’t look like the right person sorry 😫 as she wasn’t born in Gloucester. Matches the death though.
Unless of course she had a reason to add a few years to her age and amend her place of birth 🙄 Sorry, looked to good to not be right ....
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how do you know francis mother was a turberville as can't see that on his birth on the GRO
It’s on the GRO with the reference i gave JunQ 1909, Cardiff, 11a, 354
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ahh yes it is a good match with the rest thou lol... no seem a bit much to alter her name . birth year and birth location ,,, but thank you for looking
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how do you know francis mother was a turberville as can't see that on his birth on the GRO
It’s on the GRO with the reference i gave JunQ 1909, Cardiff, 11a, 354
i checked this and does not show his mother madden name as they didn't give them until 1912. maybe cause its in his middle names . but its not the right one now lol ..
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how do you know francis mother was a turberville as can't see that on his birth on the GRO
It’s on the GRO with the reference i gave JunQ 1909, Cardiff, 11a, 354
i checked this and does not show his mother madden name as they didn't give them until 1912. maybe cause its in his middle names . but its not the right one now lol ..
The full entry is shown on the GRO website and mother’s maiden names are given from 1837. A - for the maiden name indicates an illegitimate birth. Are you looking at freeBMD not the GRO site?
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There isn’t a birth for a May Jennie Quigley Dorothea Turberville in the 1860s and while a good number of births were unregistered at that time i still feel that she may be the lady you are looking for.
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how do you know francis mother was a turberville as can't see that on his birth on the GRO
It’s on the GRO with the reference i gave JunQ 1909, Cardiff, 11a, 354
oh yes very interesting ,, i see it now ,,, handy to know
i checked this and does not show his mother madden name as they didn't give them until 1912. maybe cause its in his middle names . but its not the right one now lol ..
The full entry is shown on the GRO website and mother’s maiden names are given from 1837. A - for the maiden name indicates an illegitimate birth. Are you looking at freeBMD not the GRO site?
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The GRO site shows the Mary you are looking for as Mary Jane Quigley Turberville, mother Quigley, registered in Shipton on Stour, vol 06D, page 569.
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There isn’t a birth for a May Jennie Quigley Dorothea Turberville in the 1860s and while a good number of births were unregistered at that time i still feel that she may be the lady you are looking for.
did you find them in 1911 looking for his name or hers as can't find them lol.... yes its a hard one as birth name Mary Jane Quigley to May jennie Quigley Dorothea,, with wrong name , dob, and place of birth ..
but everything else matches perfect .
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.... hers 😀
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There's a Dorothy Turberville on the 1901 Census living in Barry with a Noah Thomas - ref RG13 4993
151 42.
The age, 26, doesn't fit but birthplace is Morton, Glous.
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The GRO site shows the Mary you are looking for as Mary Jane Quigley Turberville, mother Quigley, registered in Shipton on Stour, vol 06D, page 569.
and the baptism
First name(s) Mary Jane
Last name Turberville
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1870
Baptism date 06 Nov 1870
Place Moreton-In-Marsh
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Turberville
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name
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There's a Dorothy Turberville on the 1901 Census living in Barry with a Noah Thomas - ref RG13 4993
151 42.
The age, 26, doesn't fit but birthplace is Morton, Glous.
intresting looking at her age on the census now if that was 21 and she living with a thomas i wonder if she married a relative of his ...
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There’s a private tree on Ancestry which has Mary Jane Quigley Turberville in it, with 3 records and 4 sources. May be worth contacting tbe tree owner (unless it’s yours!).
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There’s a private tree on Ancestry which has Mary Jane Quigley Turberville in it, with 3 records and 4 sources. May be worth contacting tbe tree owner (unless it’s yours!).
yes just found that and have sent message asking . but unless they are immediate family they may have run in to the same wall as me but worth a try ... may be worth ordering the full birth marriage and death cert see if there is any clues in the names.
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There's a Dorothy Turberville on the 1901 Census living in Barry with a Noah Thomas - ref RG13 4993
151 42.
The age, 26, doesn't fit but birthplace is Morton, Glous.
intresting looking at her age on the census now if that was 21 and she living with a thomas wonder if she married a relative of his ...
My thoughts exactly about her meeting her future husband via Noah ...
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There's a Dorothy Turberville on the 1901 Census living in Barry with a Noah Thomas - ref RG13 4993
151 42.
The age, 26, doesn't fit but birthplace is Morton, Glous.
intresting looking at her age on the census now if that was 21 and she living with a thomas wonder if she married a relative of his ...
My thoughts exactly about her meeting her future husband via Noah ...
i will have look at noah line to see if i can find a connection with William
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Mary/Dorothea etc is with her mother on the 1891 Census and brother David.
There's a death for a Jane Turberville, age 56, Abergavenny, Jun Qtr 1899 - age fits the 1891 Census.
Cannot see any sign of Mary/Dorothea or David in Monmouthshire on the 1901 Census. Looks as if they might be having to make their way in the world.
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Mary/Dorothea etc is with her mother on the 1891 Census and brother David.
There's a death for a Jane Turberville, age 56, Abergavenny, Jun Qtr 1899 - age fits the 1891 Census.
Cannot see any sign of Mary/Dorothea or David in Monmouthshire on the 1901 Census. Looks as if they might be having to make their way in the world.
Jane died 1899 she is Mary and David mother . David died 1897.
Mary Jane Quigley Turberville disappears after 1891.
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This is why the Dorothy 1901 is so intriguing - now out there on her own.
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Just found the couple in 1911 but not the possible son. Can’t post 1911 details but doesn’t look like the right person sorry 😫 as she wasn’t born in Gloucester. Matches the death though.
Unless of course she had a reason to add a few years to her age and amend her place of birth 🙄 Sorry, looked to good to not be right ....
lol still can't find this. but do you mean that francis HCP Thomas is not there son ..?
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This is why the Dorothy 1901 is so intriguing - now out there on her own.
yes its a strange one for me ..... lol .. killing my brain
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The GRO site shows the Mary you are looking for as Mary Jane Quigley Turberville, mother Quigley, registered in Shipton on Stour, vol 06D, page 569.
and the baptism
First name(s) Mary Jane
Last name Turberville
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1870
Baptism date 06 Nov 1870
Place Moreton-In-Marsh
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Turberville
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name
my brain must be asleep .. good point , i missed it .
the baptism was glouster but like you pointed out the birth is not .lol even worse it for some reason gives warkishire lol
if we look at her parents marriage 1870 in abergavenny Monmouth the place where brother davids birth in 1874 took place
so they got married in abergavenny the had there daughter in warwickshire in the same year. then had her baptised in glossier and then back to wales to appear in the 1871 census again in abergavenny
now having found the 1911 census of this other lady /or same person with similar names it has her birth as 1867 but born in abergavenny .
so there is the right location of where they were, similar names , same fathers names and occupations on marriage certificate . so out by a few years on the birth but saying that the other lady called may says she died 1912 given her birth as 1865 but the census gives it as 1867, so quiet possible there..
and the children in the 1911 must be her step children by his first marriage
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Just found the couple in 1911 but not the possible son. Can’t post 1911 details but doesn’t look like the right person sorry 😫 as she wasn’t born in Gloucester. Matches the death though.
Unless of course she had a reason to add a few years to her age and amend her place of birth 🙄 Sorry, looked to good to not be right ....
lol still can't find this. but do you mean that francis HCP Thomas is not there son ..?
Not sure, just he’s not with them on the 1911.
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According to the internet, Shipston on Stour is in Warwickshire - but close to the Gloucestershire border. Guess Morton in the Marsh is the actual place (village?) where she was born but across the border from the registration district 😀
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The baptism of David (at St Mary’s, Abergavenny) and the burials of both David and mother Jane (at Holy Trinity, Abergavenny) all give Merthyr Rd, Abergavenny as their address.
David’s baptism gives Thomas’ occupation as commercial traveller which may explain the moving about, perhaps before settling down as an ironmonger.
This is presumably Jane’s baptism, also at St Mary’s, Abergavenny, on 20 July 1842, daughter of Thomas Quigley and Jane, of Frogmore St, Thomas a writer. Also a brother, Edward, baptised on 15 June 1840, of New Rd, Thomas a writer.
Thomas was buried on 16 Sep 1842, aged 28, of New Rd, died of phthisis (amazing detail in burial register!). Jane was buried on 10 March 1883, aged 70.
Marriage at Nash, county of Monmouth, on 13 August 1839, Thomas Quigley, writer, of Abergavenny, father Thomas, a servant. Jane Williams, of Nash, father William, a coachman. Thomas and Jane both signed.
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Genuki Registration Districts
Moreton in the Marsh
County - Gloucestershire
Registration District -
1837-1932 - Shipston on Stour
1932 - 1937 - Stow on the Wold
1937 - 1974 - North Cotswold
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May Jennie Quigley Kathleen Dorothea Thomas was buried at Cathays cemetery in Cardiff on 19 Dec 1912. Section B, Plot 827a.
Recorded as the wife of William Henry Thomas of 37 Hamilton St, St John, Cardiff. There is no-one else buried with her.