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Title: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: stretchie on Thursday 04 August 05 22:53 BST (UK)

Can anyone, anyone please help me?

:-[

I really need to know if St Martins, Bullring, Birmingham has a graveyard.

If it doesnt, god help me - I need a quick look at a death and a marriage register.

I need some info, not a lot, just a little.......

Burial of GEORGE FARMER AGE 38 ON THE 22ND DEC 1833.

Mar of MARY FARMER, WIDOW, TO THOMAS BUNN ON THE 10TH APRIL 1834.


please please can anyone help me out here?

I need to know if George Farmer was the Husband of Mary who married Thomas Bunn.

Someone out there must feel the need to help?

Stretchie.

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: jericho on Friday 05 August 05 00:33 BST (UK)

Hi stretchie

Have checked the National burial index for George Farmer and you have the correct information
did a google search and came up with this address and email for St Martin's so they may be able to help, sorry I am unable to help about the remarriage of Mary Farmer.I have sent a PM.

St. Martin in the Bull Ring
The Bull Ring,
Birmingham B5 5BB.
Tel: 0121 643 5428.
Contact: The Parish Officer

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: indiapaleale on Friday 05 August 05 02:07 BST (UK)

Hi Stretchie,
You might find this page interesting...although it doesn't answer your question re: St. Martins burial

http://www.bham.de/index.html

Have you found Thomas Bunn and his wife Mary on the 1841 or 1851 census? How old was Mary when she became a widow? Do you know if Mary and George Farmer had any children before he died?
I would be happy to help if you could provide more details.

Cheers,
Indi

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Valda on Friday 05 August 05 07:21 BST (UK)

If you search on Google images you will find three photographs of St. Martins (unlikely any church in a city or town centre has much of a graveyard left and besides the majority of the population when buried did not have a gravestone, and if they did with pollution and the time span many have become illegible or broken). By 1833 St Martins churchyard was under severe strain space wise and burials were probably on top of older burials

William Hutton wrote of St Martin's Church that "the growth of the soil causes a low appearance to the building so that instead of the church burying the dead the dead will in time bury the church".

The registers for St. Martins church are at Birmingham Record Office. What further infromation do you have on the Bunns and the Farmers.

Regards
Valda

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Brummygirl on Friday 05 August 05 08:18 BST (UK)

Hi Strechie,

Unfortunately there is now no burial ground at St Martins, it has all been paved over as it is part of the " new Birmingham town centre.

I know that they do have St Martins records at Birmingham Central library, you could possibly email them and ask them for help.

archives[AT]birmingham.gov.uk

Kindest regards
Brummygirl

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Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Mobo on Friday 05 August 05 08:28 BST (UK)

Quote from: Valda on Friday 05 August 05 07:21 BST (UK)

William Hutton wrote of St Martin's Church that "the growth of the soil causes a low appearance to the building so that instead of the church burying the dead the dead will in time bury the church". quote]

Valda, I find this absolutely hysterical - can just imagine the church being swallowed up by a wave of earth, as headstones & coffins come to the surface and bury it

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Valda on Friday 05 August 05 09:13 BST (UK)

My brother was a public health inspector in Birmingham in the 1970s, when inner city graveyards where still a cause for concern with subsidence. Before the arrival of Birmingham cemeteries, it could not have been what people wanted for their loved ones trying to bury in such overcrowed churchyards.

Regards
Valda

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: uk2003 on Friday 05 August 05 11:08 BST (UK)

Hi Strechie

Still cannot help with answer, but may have a connection with the name. I dont have very much information as it is at the end of a branch which I have not had time to confirm yet.

I have a Caroline Bunn born 1850 in Pensnett, Kingswinford, Dudley. She married a Thomas Lewis (no date yet) the rest to the present date can be confirmed. Maybe this Caroline is connected to your Bunn line?

Regards
Ken 

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: stretchie on Saturday 06 August 05 17:50 BST (UK)

Thanks to everyone who read my plea for help.

here are the answers to some of your questions:

Ive tried the email address today and that was non deliverable, so looks like I'll have to use good old pen and paper.

Ive asked for help at the Library and they just said they could'nt do search's - even though I had all the dates they needed!, but hey, who's complaining?

1841 census - I dont know yet.  Need a search doing for that.

1851 census the Bunns are at Dodderhill, Crutch & Papermill. Witherfords Buildings.
1852 John Farmer, eldest son; married in Widnes Lancashire, rest of the family also located in Widnes on the 1861 census.

Mary Bunn (Farmer, nee Price) born Dodderhill abt 1809.  Mary died in Widnes, Lancashire 21st Feb 1870 of bronchitis.

George Farmer - I dont know anything about at all.

Mary & George Farmer had one son; John Farmer b.1832 Dodderhill.

Mary & Thomas Bunn had 4 children. Eliza / Sarah / Thomas and Sarah Ann.  (Sarah died in 1842)  Family may be living in Charford at this time.

I think that covers everything?

Thanks again to everyone.  Hope someone can help me!

Stretchie

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Bojalu on Sunday 06 August 06 04:14 BST (UK)

Hi,

St Martins church yard became so over crowded ,that at one stage Coffins were buried on top of one another rather than side by side.

High walls were built around the Church to accommodate for this.

This can be seen on old photographs.
Part of the high wall is still there on the left side of the church.

Nearby Park Street was an overspill Burial ground for St Martins. 
There are a few Grave stones at Park street, but not many.

Due to re- development of the area ( The Bull Ring ) The Human  remains from St Martins  Churchyard were re-buried at Witton Cemetery.

Good Luck

Bo

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Dave Francis on Sunday 06 August 06 09:05 BST (UK)

Hi Stretchie

You haven't mentioned the first marriage, but I assume you are aware of this:

George FARMER m. Mary PRICE, 29 Sept 1831 in Dodderhill
[Source: IGI, patron submission]

I assume that you have the birth certificate of one of the children of Thomas & Mary Bunn and that the mother is described as 'Mary Bunn late Farmer formerly Price'?

The IGI also has the following baptism record:
Elizabeth FARMER, b. 21 Sept 1828, chr 26 Dec 1828 Saint Martin Birmingham Warwick
Father: George FARMER  Mother:  Mary Ann

This indicates that a couple called George and Mary Ann Farmer were active in St Martin's Birmingham before the 1831 marriage in Dodderhill, so it looks like the 1833 burial at St Martins is not the right George Farmer.

Additionally, did you discount the following record?

George FARMER (age 27) bur 11 Nov 1832 at Elmbridge St Mary, Worcs.
[Source: NBI]

Elmbridge is not far from Dodderhill, so ....

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Dave Francis on Sunday 06 August 06 09:29 BST (UK)

1841 Bromsgrove Worcs
HO107/1195/3 folio 18 page 30

Address: Charford
Thos Bunn, 35, labr stoke works
Mary do., 30
John do., 8
Charlotte do., 5
Eliza do., 3
Thos do., 1

All recorded as born in Worcs

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: mevans on Sunday 27 August 06 22:29 BST (UK)

ST MARTINS CHURCH
Most of the 1290 building was demolished to make way for the
present church, which was built in 1873.....
Margaret.

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: Detheridge on Friday 06 October 06 17:10 BST (UK)

Hi,
Birmingham History society has now issued c.d's on all births marriages + deaths for St. Martins church.  Not too sure of the dates but they are aiming to re-produce all the records.  If you go onto the site you can order directly from them.

Hope this helps,
Best wishes, Detheridge

Title: Re: I cant take this anymore!!!!!
Post by: LFS on Saturday 28 October 06 00:30 BST (UK)

Dear Stretchie
In the last few years the Bullring area has had a complete redevelopment, and during that time some research has been done on burials - there's certainly a book after St Martin's and the excavations that were done - I don't know how many names are mentioned tho'.  I'll find the title of the book if you're interested - maybe your library would get you a copy.
Linda