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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kmr2018 on Monday 01 January 18 15:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
My first post on here so please be gentle with me if I get anything wrong!
I'm trying to find more information on Mary Parker who was married to William Hodge on 27.08.1864 at St James Parish Church, Birkdale, North Meols. The marriage certificate states she was 23 and her father was Wm Parker, a Grocer. It doesn't state whether he was deceased or not.
I've tried searching GRO index, Ancestry.co.uk, Findmypast for her birth (in Census from 1871 it states she was born Manchester). I've tried the Lancashire Online Parish Records but can't trace her birth.
I have traced a marriage of a Wm Parker (Grocer) in 1835 but not sure how I can link this to Mary as I haven't traced her in the Census 1861 and before (before her marriage).
I've got a copy of her death certificate in 1907 but no reference other than to her husband.
If I can track her birth at least I'll know her parents but I'm at a loss. Any help/bright ideas welcomed :)
Thanks
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Info re: fathers on a marriage cert wasn't always "honest". Many illegitimate children made up a fathers name when marrying to appear "respectable"
I'm not saying that is the case here - just something to bear in mind
Were either of the marriage witnesses surname Parker?
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Hi Carole
The witnesses were a James Buck and William Bradshaw and don't feature anywhere in any research so far. It does say after Banns but I can't find a record of those either.
I guess if Mary made the father's name up I'll be stumped.
I've tried looking in directories but can't find a grocer in Southport named Wm Parker but then I guess he could be in Manchester and that could be anywhere!
Thanks
Karen
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Banns are on LancashireOPC (so is the marriage)
Banns - St James, Birkdale, Lancashire
William Hodge - Southport
Mary Parker - Southport
First Reading: 7 Aug 1864 - Read By: William J. Friel
Second Reading: 14 Aug 1864 - Read By: B.Swift
Third Reading - 21 Aug 1864
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The 1835 marriage you mention was to Ann Brown but GRO online does not show a Mary Parker birth in Manchester with a mmn of Brown
However - failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874 so it's possible her birth was not registered
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Please could you post the 1871 census.
Also where did Mary die?
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Is your Mary the one living in Lytham St Anne's?
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Hi Gibel
Yes - she is the one in LSA
I have a longshot but can't find an 1851 or 1861 entry to confirm
The 1835 marriage between William Parker - grocer - and Ann Brown refers
William died before 1845 - 2 possibilities March qtr 1839 aged 38 or Dec qtr 1844 aged 46 both Manchester RD
Ann Parker nee Brown re-married 1845 at Manchester Cathedral to Ralph Hindley bachelor - occ mechanic - and that's where my trail goes cold
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Very long shot, William Parker married Philadelphi beet in Manchester cathedral 1825, they had a dau. Mary Parker registered Chorlton Dec quarter 1841.
Mike
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William, philadelphe and Mary are in Liverpool in the 1851, in cazneau street, William is described as a porter, living in cazneau st. which was the home of Liverpool’s wholesale fruit and veg market, there is a tenuous connection there to greengrocery.
Well I did say it was a long shot, but it would not be the first time a fathers occupation has been enhanced, and there is a long tradition of young women from Liverpool working in hotels in Southport
Mike
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I saw that entry too and Liverpool is not that far from Southport. It was William's occ that put me off but you never know
Wish I could find Ann & Ralph Hindley in 1851 but as a lot of the Manchester 1851 was water damaged who knows??
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Gosh, thanks all for help.
I'm hoping to have a good look this weekend following your help. I've also contacted a member from ancestry.co.uk who is related to the William parker and Ann brown but has different children and not my Mary parker. I guess there's also the possibility of William and philadelphia so I'll see what I can establish.
I bet my ancestors are thinking I'm a right nosey parker :D
Thanks all
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Here's the baptism record image for Mary daughter of William & Philadelphia Parker from Manchester Cathedral, baptised on Sunday 24th October 1841:-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSN1-1ZJ?cat=40069
Blue
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Wish I could find Ann & Ralph Hindley in 1851 but as a lot of the Manchester 1851 was water damaged who knows??
I can't find them either - witness to marriage was a Catherine Hindley she made her mark
Is this Ralph on 1841 census with Catherine/a ?
his occupation doesn't appear to be a mechanic though :-\
Mary Hindley 60
RALPH 20 occ Pa?
Thomas 15 occ cotton
Catherina 20 occ cotton
James 10
1841c HO107; Piece: 541; Deane ED 3; Folio: 42; Page: 18
Catherine Hindley single age 30 with her widowed mother Mary Hindley 71
living Queen Street, Farnworth with them is son in law Thomas Morris plus his 4 children
1851c HO107; Piece: 2206; Folio: 284; Page: 25;
There's this marriage Mary Crompton to Ralph Hindley 1 Jun 1800 parish of Deane, Lancashire
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Hi all
Thanks very much for all your help.
I've been delving deeper and think I may have cracked it! The marriage entry for William and Philadelphia states he is a grocer. So with the LDS record from Blue (thanks Blue) that shows Mary with parents William and Philadelphia.
Then looking at census returns:
1851 Census shows William, Philadelphia with Mary and siblings at Liverpool
1861 Census shows William and Phil at Ardwick and Mary at a separate address in Ardwick as a servant.
1864 marriage certificate for William Hodge and Mary Parker states Mary as servant
So I think it must be William and Philadelphia as parents. I'm going to search for their death entries now but wanted to update you all and thank you for your help and guidance.
Thanks
Karen