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I am attaching an extract from the 1575 Visitation of Cambridgeshire which repeats in the 1619 publication as well.
The footman link seems to refer to E1, H7 & H8 depending on which visitation one looks at.
The Edwards family are not in my direct line but they do marry with other families in & around Wisbech who are ancient grandparents.
I have been trying to investigate the 2 Edmond's to prove or disprove this alleged link and cannot find anything about them. Far to early for PR's and I have been unable to find wills or other records at the National Archives.
Am I missing something obvious?
Any help would really be appreciated.
thanks
Edward
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Im in search of my Edwards English Roots. My earliest proven ancestor is William Edwards (1615-1678). He was the Burgess of Surry County, VA in 1652, and brought his wife Dorothy over in 1648 according to Land patents and Virginia Legislative Records. His Great-Grandson Issac Edwards (d. 1775) of New Bern, NC had a coat of arms on his family bible. The Arms survives today. Upon researching the Crest was given to Thomas Edwards, High Baliff, Isle of Ely, Queen Ann... and is the same description as the Wisbech Edwards visitation you speak of. I have started researching the Wisbech Edwards and I came across this...
*According to the picture and researching, Thomas Edwards, High Baliff (Commonwealth) was in 1670! No Edwards appear as Baliffs of Wisbech after 1670!
(James I)
William Edwards 1606, 1649
Thomas Edwards 1613
William Edwards, Jr. 1638
Robert Edwards 1640
(Commonwealth)
James Edwards 1658, 1663, 1664, 1665
Thomas Edwards 1670 <--- m. Camilla Browne and the one mentioned in the picture.
Source: An Historical Account of the Ancient Town and Port of Wisbech in the Isle of Ely, in the County Cambridge. By William Watson
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Here is The Coat of Arms...
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Here is something else interesting:
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Thanks for your replies, must admit is a while since I looked at this bunch so I'll need a little time to review. The Wisbech book again shows a query on whether the Edmond the footman was employed by H7 or E1.
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This may help you... just found this:
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Have a look at the attached, the first 2 are from the same Visitation
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So looking at the suggested monarchs we have
Henry VII - King 1485 - 1509
Henry VIII - King 1509 - 1547
Elizabeth 1 - Queen from 1558 - 1603
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Thomas Edwards m Katherine Crosse in Jun 1566 which gives him an estimated birth date of around 1540-45, he died in 1596 so a reasonable estimate.
Apart from the Visitations, I have not (yet) found any evidence that his father was Edmond or that his grandfather was another Edmond.
If we accept that this is correct and we apply the 25-30 generation gap, then Edmond (the possible father) was born around 1515 and his father around 1485.
Based on this logic H7 is the probable employer but no supporting evidence again. Unless he was a footman to a prince or princess first.
As I said in the original post "The Edwards family are not in my direct line but they do marry with other families in & around Wisbech who are ancient grandparents." So nice to know rather than needing to know.
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Thomas Edwards (who m Camilla Browne) is a great grandson of Thomas that m Katherine Crosse
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I certainly agree with you! I do not believe Edmond is correct either. I have found here in the States people try to make people fit and I have had to go back a prove things aren't so... Your post sparked my interest in disproving Edmond as well because I have been trying to map out all these "Wisbech Edwards" and to do not believe the "Edmond"... I guess we are on the same quest! I did find this today... Letters of Queen Margaret... "Edwards" is mentioned...
https://archive.org/details/queenmargaretofa00camduoft/page/xiv/mode/2up?view=theater
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=edmond+edwards&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv&_p=1600&_p=1500
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_dss=range&_ro=any&_p=1600%7C1500&_q=%22edmund+edwards%22
SO at least we know that there was at least 1 in real life !!
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Thank you for the tip on Thomas Edwards and Camilla Browne. The reason I am vested in this is that in the Surry County, VA Early records, the William Edwards (1615-1673) descendants are marrying into the Browne family and are living in close proximity. I have the Browne Virginia Family Pedigree, but there is a William Browne that is an "outlier"... he is part of the Browne Family, but not from the Virginia Patriarch, and they are marrying their cousins. With this "closeness" in England and "closeness" in the colony around the same timeframe... maybe there is a link...
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Found another "Edmond"
Edmond Edwards b. 1584 (bap. 26 Jun 1584). Father was Thomas Edwards. (Wisbech, St. Peters Registry)... https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Edmond Edwards (? Suspect)
-Thomas/Catherine Cross Edwards
--Robert/Sarah Gore Edwards
--Mary Edwards (d. 1584)
--John/Agnes Scortred Edwards (John b. 1567)
--Thomas/Rachel Sailbanke Edwards (Thomas b. 1568)
--Osmond/Katherine Parmiter Edwards (Osmond b. 1573)
--William Edwards (1580)
--Elizabeth Edwards (1582)
--Edmund Edwards (b 26 Jun 1584; d. 1584)
Ive almost have the Wisbech Edwards completed, using Wills/Registries/Vistations.
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William (who I guess is the son of Robert Edwards & Mary Tilney) is 1 step too far away from my ggparents as I try to stay within 3 but often fail.
Agnes Scortred is a 10 x ggmother by her second husband but her father Thomas is an 11 x ggfather twice by the marriages of the offspring of Agnes & her brother William.
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Robert Edwards - Mary Tilney (m. 1606)
--Bartholomew Edwards (1608-1618)
--Thomas Edwards (1610)
--William Edwards (1616)
--Audrey Edwards (1619)
--Elizabeth Edwards (1622)
--Anne Edwards (1625)
--Bartholomew Edwards (1627)
--John Edwards (1629-1631)
I have a few Edwards that I need to place... Robert Edwards m. Alice L***sbie... (m. 1629/30) and Robert Edwards m. Elizabeth Emmerson (m. 1636)
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Also... Robert Edwards m. Mary Tilney was the son of Bartholomew/Audrey Cross Edwards :)
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Attachment is from: Alumni Cantabrigienses: A Biographical List of All Known Students, Graduates and Holders of Office at the University of Cambridge, From The Earliest Times to 1900, Volume 1: From the Earliest Times to 1751; Part 2 Dabbs-Juxton. Edited by John Venn and J.A. Venn. Cambridge University Press, 2011. p.87
Appears this Edmond Edwards was the father to Thomas Edwards m. Katherine Crosse
*Archbishop was Mathew Parker (1504-1575)
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Thanks, be wary of Venn, he (they) seem to have made errors at times..
What additional evidence is there that Thomas is the son of this Edmond?
btw, I did find the attached.
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Thank you Edward. I have completed the mapping of all Wisbech Edwards.
My assumption that Edmund was the father of Thomas, was the area, time era and the only Edmond Edwards being found other than the Visitations.
btw...Robert Edwards-Will 1661... was married to Elizabeth Emmerson, and was the son of Robert and Mary Tilney. Grandson of Bartholomew and Audrey Crosse Edwards
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Edward,
I found this out from Elizabeth Yule, Genealogist (Achievements of Canterbury, Kent). These are local Wills I cant find, and had her order them.
Wisbech wills in this index include:
a. Alice Edwarde [sic] widow of Edmund 1558
b. Edmund Edwarde 1558
c. John Edwardes 1469
d. John Edward, 1540
e. Mary Edwardes 1699
f. Philip Edward, 1534
g. Thomas Edwardes, 1667
Hopefully they will transcribe them for me. Also I can email you the Wisbech GEDCOM I made sorting these individuals. I did not include John Edwards (Sussex Visitation). I believe him to be a brother of Bartholomew/Audrey as he mentions "my brother John" in PCC Will-1584. John Edwards-1667 (Lancaster County, VA/London) PCC Will is probably "his son John" mentioned in his Will. But you will see where they are as they are listed with no spouse based off the PCC Will-1584.
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I have sent you a PM
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I would like to see your Wisbech GEDCOM, it would to compare my thoughts with yours.
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Re "my brother John"
I took this as referring to John Crosse born 1562/63 in Wisbech and died 1630 in Outwell, Norfolk. He married Grace Fincham