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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: tjh1989 on Tuesday 19 December 17 19:10 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for the birth certificate of a Joseph Thompson, born around 1845 in County Durham. The following is his 1865 marriage certificate to Hannah Clarkson: https://imgur.com/a/IVNi4
The following are census results which show him living with Hannah:
1871 - https://imgur.com/a/BZOZ5
1881 - https://imgur.com/a/xLHFV
The dates on the censuses and marriage certificate are pretty consistent as to his age; Joseph appears to have been born around 1845 (give or take a couple of years). The 1871 census shows his place of birth as Wolsingham but the 1881 census shows Hamsterley - these are only a couple of miles away so I'm not worried by this inconsistency.
I've struggled to find any earlier censuses with Joseph listed (with his father, Robert, listed). There are a few census results with a Joseph Thompson born in the surrounding areas but the dates and Robert's occupation don't seem to tie up.
I've also struggled to find his birth entry - unsurprisingly there are many 'Joseph Thompson' entries born around 1845 in County Durham. Hamsterley is in the Auckland RD whilst Wolsingham is in the Weardale RD.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
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If you believe the father to be Robert, only ask for birth certificates that meet that criteria.
Conversely, have you found any Robert Thompsons (with or without Joseph) in any censuses who are waggon wrights?
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The 1851 for Durham has a couple of Robert Thom(p)son's with a son Joseph of the right age (ish) but they do not match the occ.
I also checked the Scottish 1851 but nothing there either.
A number of Robert Thompson deaths between 1843-March 1851 in both Auckland & Weardale RD's but apart from infant deaths - the youngest was aged 56 and died March qtr 1847
Possibilities
He was illegit and his mum married between his birth and the 1851 census. He could be shown under her married name
He was born with another surname - mum married a Thompson and he took his stepfathers surname
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If you believe the father to be Robert, only ask for birth certificates that meet that criteria.
Conversely, have you found any Robert Thompsons (with or without Joseph) in any censuses who are waggon wrights?
Oh good idea, didn't know that you could do that!
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Between 1844-1846 there were only 4 births registered for Joseph Thompson in either Weardale or Auckland RD - 2 in each RD. No corresponding deaths pre-1851
However - failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/75 so his birth may not have been registered
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Between 1844-1846 there were only 4 births registered for Joseph Thompson in either Weardale or Auckland RD - 2 in each RD. No corresponding deaths pre-1851
However - failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/75 so his birth may not have been registered
Thanks, if, when ordering the certificate, I specify that I only want a certificate where the father's name is Robert, what will happen if there is more than one such birth certificate? Also, will I be charged if no certificate is found? I couldn't see the answers to these queries online.
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Have you traced the 14 yr old Joseph Thompson who is a son in law (stepson) of Anthony White (b 1818, victualler) at the Queen's Head, Wolsingham in 1861 - to see who his natural father was?
1861: RG9/3727/28/9
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Have you traced the 14 yr old Joseph Thompson who is a son in law (stepson) of Anthony White (b 1818, victualler) at the Queen's Head, Wolsingham in 1861 - to see who his natural father was?
1861: RG9/3727/28/9
I did see that entry during my initial research but didn't pursue further but maybe I should have a look.
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Anthony White had married Mary Ann Thompson, Jun qtr 1858 Weardale.
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Anthony White had married Mary Ann Thompson, Jun qtr 1858 Weardale.
Ah, good find. I think I'll search for a Joseph Thompson, son of Robert and Mary-Ann.
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In fact it looks as though Mary Ann's previous husband had been a Joseph Thompson; the couple had their son James baptised at Wolsingham on 10 March 1850 (he shows as aged 11 in 1861).
Likely birth registrations:
Elizabeth Thompson mmn Wake, Dec qtr 1845 Weardale
Joseph Thompson mmn Wake, Sep qtr 1847 Weardale
James Thompson mmn Wake, Dec qtr 1849 Weardale
& Joseph Thompson marr Mary Ann Wake, Dec qtr 1844 Weardale.
Added:
Joseph is a maltster and grocer in 1851 (HO107/2388/387/28) so this looks very much like a dead end.
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Ah, what do you think about the following:
Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 2385
Folio: 191
Page Number: 54
It lists his place of birth as 'Shull' which doesn't come up on google maps. However, it seems that Shull was a name associated with Hamsterley (see here http://www.hamsterleyvillage.com/history-2/the-blacketts/).
His father is listed as Robert and is an agricultural labourer - I think this could include a wagon wright (or he may have progressed to it at the point of Joseph's marriage).
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Ah, what do you think about the following:
Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 2385
Folio: 191
Page Number: 54
It lists his place of birth as 'Shull' which doesn't come up on google maps. However, it seems that Shull was a name associated with Hamsterley (see here http://www.hamsterleyvillage.com/history-2/the-blacketts/).
His father is listed as Robert and is an agricultural labourer - I think this could include a wagon wright (or he may have progressed to it at the point of Joseph's marriage).
Yes I wondered about him too. By 1861 his father Robert is a "horsekeeper at a colliery" (and Joseph an assistant horsekeeper).
Interestingly (in light of the marriage you mention in the opening post) this one's mother's maiden name was Clarkson - as confirmed by the registration of his unusually named brother Alderson Thompson:
Alderson Thompson mmn Clarkson, Jun qtr 1844 Auckland
Joseph Thompson mmn Clarkson, Sep qtr 1846 Auckland.