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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Gibby1968 on Tuesday 05 December 17 13:57 GMT (UK)
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On 29 November I got a call from my local register office regarding my certificate application that I had made a few days earlier.
One of the death certificates I applied for from January 1987 has been found but the one for December 1987 hasn't.
I gave the couple's birth and death dates I got from the probate calendar but his death can't be found so far. They are ringing me back tomorrow when someone else had a look.
On 30 November Bradford RO called me back.
Arthur is nowhere to be found even though I gave his date of death and the probate date which was 4 March 1988 in Leeds. Both he and his wife were living in Keighley at the time of their deaths. I am going to contact the GRO to see if they can shed any light on it.
Today I contacted the GRO and told them about the certificate I can't find. They took all the details I have and hopefully if they find it I should receive it in the next three weeks or so. I also contacted Leeds probate office to see if they can shed any light on the problem. One of the dates must be wrong.
Reply came through from Leeds and says;
Please be advised that we need to be in possession of the death certificate to issue probate therefore the date of death and date of probate will be correct. Unfortunately we cannot help you with a copy of the death certificate as we return them once probate is granted.
The dates must be correct. Hopefully the GRO will find Arthur's death certificate.
He died on 15 December 1987 and lived at 16 Parkway, Steeton, Keighley at the time of his death.
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When was he born :-\
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Sorry :-[
13 January 1913 in Guisley.
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Please check their spelling. My name is Bolton but when my husband died the hospital gave his name as Boulton, when his death certificate came it had the wrong spelling for which I had to pay for the correction to be mad, I was furious as this was the registrar at the hospitals fault. :'(
Good luck
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I did tell the registrar that the spelling maybe Bolton rather than Boulton.
Nothing could be found under either spelling.
I will do some more digging while I wait for the GRO to get in touch. Hopefully they should be able to find the correct certificate.
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The GRO refunded my money as they couldn't find the death certificate for Arthur.
I am going to see if I can find out if Arthur left a will using the date of death I have from the probate calendar and also track down a burial for him and his wife.
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The fact that Probate was granted means there was a Will.
The Probate index for that era just gives the persons address at time of death, not where they actually died. He may have died anywhere, not necessarily Keighley.
Although i still cant see a death that fits, in the gro indexes!
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I see we went over this before in 2016!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759081.9
and the suggestion then was that maybe he was on holiday abroad when he died.
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I am looking into the possibility that he died elsewhere, in hospital for example.
I am sorry for mentioning it again: I didn't knwo there was a time limit on queries!
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But even if his death were in a hospital , if it were in England or Wales, it would be in the gro index.
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I received the wills I applied for on 14 February.
Letters of administration were granted to Arthur regarding Eleanor as she died intestate. She died on 4 January 1987.
Arthur left a will and it confirmed that he died on 15 December 1987.
His will also confirmed the children's names (two are still living) and two grandsons and that Arthur and Eleanor lived at 16 Parkway, Steeton.
Eleanor died at Airedale hospital according to her death certificate.
I do not yet know where Arthur died but I have managed to find his daughter on Facebook and we are corresponding. I will ask her if I can have a copy of Arthur's death certificate as she is sure to have one.
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Thank you for the update, let us know if you want anything else looking at
Rosie
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I am going to look to see if Arthur's name was spelled wrongly as this might explain why no death certificate could be found.
The GRO and/or the local register office would still have been able to find him even though his surname was spelled Bolton rather than than Boulton.
Another of my branches is called Moreton and I have loads of records with the spelling Morton who I know are my family.
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Hi, this is my Grandma and Grandad. Arthur Boulton died in Australia while out there visiting family.
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Hi
I think you have a different Arthur Boulton in your tree.
My 2x great uncle died in 1987 Keighley, West Yorkshire. I have his death certificate.
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Hi, I've read your other threads on Arthur Boulton and unless it's a massive coincidence it's the same person. Eleanor Shaw was my gran. They had 3 kids, John, Anne and Nancy. Nancy being my mother, John (my uncle) and Anne (Aunt) died about 5 years ago
And I've been to their house on Parkway loads when I was a kid.
Arthur died visiting Anne's family who lived in Adelaide.
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All your info matches mine.
Let me have a look back at the certificate to see if there's a place of death on it.
Back in a mo.
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I need to sort and look through all my certificates as I cannot find Arthur's death certificate. I am sure I got it as I have one for Nellie his wife.
Will get back to you.
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I cannot find his death certificate so I think I never got one.
If he died in Australia that would explain why I couldn't find it. He does appear on the probate calendar but that only gives his UK address.
There is a website for Aussie records I am going to look at now.
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Do you have a copy of Arthur's death certificate?
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I am back in touch with Nancy and have told her that you have responded to my thread about Arthur. She is curious to know who you are as we all use nicknames here.
Thanks.
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Hi, I'm her son. I've just spoken to her, she says she will message you back.
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I did receive a couple of messages from her :)