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Hi, I have a great great grandfather who told my grandad that he lived on the Black Patch in Smethwick. His name was George Hardy, and I have heard that this was a common gypsy name. His wife had a mother called Eliza Lee, which I thought may also have some gypsy lineage as I also know that Lee is a common gypsy surname. Can anyone help me to find out if it is possible that any of my ancestors have gypsy heritage?
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Hello and welcome :)
Do you have any dates and his wife’s name?
Heywood
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Hello and welcome :)
Do you have any dates and his wife’s name?
Heywood
Hi, my great grandfather was called George Alfred Hardy (1882). His wife was called Alice May James (1890). Alice May's mother was called Eliza Lee (1857). I hope that helps!
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Have you tracked them in censuses?
Is this Alice with parents Alfred and Eliza James?
1901 2825/52/4
Living in Birmingham.
You could post on Rootschat’s Travellers forum for advice too
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/travellers/
Heywood
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I've tried tracking them in censuses but I've hardly gone back. Yes, Alice's parents were Eliza Lee and Alfred James, but I've found him in some censuses under the name of William so I'm not too sure?
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Possibly the marrage of Alice May James' parents?
St John Ladywood Birmingham
8 Jun 1878
Alfred james full age Bachelor Moulder of this parish father Charles James occ Moulder
Eliza Lee full age Spinster of ths Parshfather George Lee ?istal Roller
Alfred signed Eliza made her mark
witnesses Charles baker (signed) & Emma Cox (made her mark)
no obvious clues as to traveller hertage
Suz
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On marriage George did not use middle name of Alfred
Marriage FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1914 Birmingham
on same page
George Hardy
Alice M james
Suz
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Birth dates seem to differ a little from the ones you posted
Alice may James baptised 26 Apr 1893 Ladywood St John
Suz
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Hi did George/Alice M have at least an Alice M 1920 who married a Molloy and a Leonard 1927?
If so birth of George c 1887.
Keyboard86
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Hi did George/Alice M have at least an Alice M 1920 who married a Molloy and a Leonard 1927?
If so birth of George c 1887.
Keyboard86
Hi, George and Alice May had a daughter Called Alice May Hardy, my great grandmother. She married a man called Gerard Molloy. I think they got married in the 40s?
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Hi again, if you are certain his middle name was Alfred, then using what I believe to be his correct birth year we have:-
George Alfred Hardy Dec qtr 1887 Derby 7b 497 Mothers maiden name Hall
Keyboard86
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Hi again, if you are certain his middle name was Alfred, then using what I believe to be his correct birth year we have:-
George Alfred Hardy Dec qtr 1887 Derby 7b 497 Mothers maiden name Hall
Keyboard86
Okay thank you, he must've moved then as he died in Birmingham.
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Hi again, his parents are Henry Alfred Hardy occ Inn Keeper who married Emma Hall June qtr 1887 Derby 7b 830
At New Market Inn, East Street, Derby in 1891 census RG12/2727/9/12
So far if of course this is him, no sign of Gypsy heritage?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, his parents are Henry Alfred Hardy occ Inn Keeper who married Emma Hall June qtr 1887 Derby 7b 830
At New Market Inn, East Street, Derby in 1891 census RG12/2727/9/12
So far if of course this is him, no sign of Gypsy heritage?
Keyboard86
It probably is him, but I've found so many George Hardy's so I don't even know anymore. My grandad just told me that he thinks he was born in 1882, and the only one I've found from 1882 is one from Nottinghamshire.