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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: vidlerr on Saturday 02 December 17 18:38 GMT (UK)
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Good Evening,
I am looking for a William Smith born 21 Jan 1883 (source 1939 register) who was allegedly born in Nottingham (source 1911 census) & father Thomas Smith. Just trying to identify his birth or baptism.
Thanks for any assistance & sorry it is Smith,
Robert.
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Does the 1911 give any actual area/district of Nottingham or does it just say Nottingham?
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If he had no middle names - there are 2 births in the Nottingham RD on freebmd. Both in the March qtr 1883
William Smith Nottingham 7b 298 - mmn Elnor (parents William & Louisa)
William Smith Nottingham 7b 334 - mothers maiden name Rogers
Possible marriage 1876 Thomas Smith and Ann Rogers on same page www.freebmd.org.uk
Presume you got his fathers name from his marriage cert - what was his fathers occupation
The 1891 census can be searched here for free
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1865747?collectionNameFilter=false
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Thank you for your response. When William married in 1906 in Barnsley, his father was shown as a deceased bricklayer & gave an address in Grimethorpe, so at some point between his birth and his marriage he or his family must have moved from Nottingham to Yorkshire.
Rob.
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Tricky one.
Searching for William on the 1891 census with a father Thomas shows none with a match to an occ of bricklayer- but he may have died between 1883-1891.
Too many deaths in Notts on freebmd between 1883-1891 for Thomas Smith
Always the possibility that William was illegit and made up a fathers name etc when he married so as to appear "respectable"
Your only hope is to search the 1881 census for Thomas Smith in Notts with an occ of bricklayer.
I did an 1881 search for that name with a birthyear between 1845-1865 living in Notts and there were 98 entries so rather a formidable task
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Are the witnesses to the marriage any help :-\
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Thank you both for your comments.
The witnesses were both on the wife's side!
What I plan to do is to apply to the GRO for his BC in 1883, with the father's name Thomas. That way if it doesn't fit they will refund me the fee. I'm about 90% sure now it is the Mar 1883 Nottingham birth with mmn Rogers.
Thanks again Rob.
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Hi,
looks like William was living in Conisbrough Doncaster in 1901 census as a step son with a David Lowe, mother as Sarah Ann and Smith siblings, have checked siblings birth details and all have mother's surname as Rogers.
Not sure if I can post census details here so will pm them to you.
NG1
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Hi Again,
David Lowe and Sarah Smith married Doncaster June Qtr 1898 Vol 9c page 1333.
Of course it may not be the Smith's you are looking for but worth a look.
All the best
NG
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1891 for Conisburgh - indexed as Willie Smith. All children b Nottingham
Sarah Ann Smith 36 widow b Brampton Derbyshire
James 18
John 13
Willie 8
RG12 Piece 3858 Folio 111 Page 20
1881 for Notts - all born there except Thomas & Sarah
Thomas Smith 33 b Bromsgrove, Worcestershire - labourer
Sarah Ann 27 b Chesterfield
James 8
John 2
Robert Slack 32 lodger
Elizabeth Parr 28 lodger
RG11 Piece 3352 Folio 13 Page 23
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Carole W & nottsgirl1 you are both supersleuths!
If you like a challenge William Smith's wife's origins are also an enigma. He married Sarah Ann Wright Parkes in 1906. According to the 1911 census, she was born in Derbyshire on 1 Feb 1876 (DoB source : 1939 register). On the m/c her father was John Parkes, a provisions shopkeeper, and the witnesses were Joseph & Mary Jane Parkes - so where does the "Wright" come from?
Any ideas gratefully received
Rob.
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There is the (probability) she was illegit and born as Wright. If her mother then married Mr Parkes .......
Marriages June qtr 1882
PARKES John Worksop 7b 89
WRIGHT Jane Worksop 7b 89
No birth on freebmd for a Sarah Ann Parkes in the March or June qtr 1876
Have you checked the 1881 census for her under Wright
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hi on 1891 census Sarah Ann is down as step daughter
Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Nether Hoyland
Ecclesiastical Parish ST PETERS HOYLAND
Registration District Barnsley
Residence Note Roystone Hill
Page Number 34
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 3780/ 48
John Parkes Head M 43 Worcestershire, England
Jane Parkes Wife F 33 Derbyshire, England
Sarah A Wright Stepdaughter F 15 Derbyshire, England
Joseph Parkes Son M 8 Nottinghamshire, England
John H Parkes Son M 6 Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Jane Parkes Daughter F 5 Nottinghamshire, England
Millicent Parkes Daughter F 3 Nottinghamshire, England
Edith Parkes Daughter F 0 Yorkshire, Nether
Sarah Ann Wright was born
Chesterfield March Qtr 1876 Vol 7b Pg 758. mother surname Wright
Mother Jane Wright (Parkes) is in Worksop 1881 single as a servant with a Smith family but Sarah is not with her cannot find Sarah on 1881 census.
NG
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Good Morning Ladies,
I though that WRIGHT may have been her birth name, but your census find wraps up the whole family in one go.
Thanks
Rob.
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Hi Rob,
Glad to have been of help, lets us know if there is anything else you would like help with anytime.
All the best
NG
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Hi
What a fab set of info.
I too, am looking for a smith annd being driven mad with it.
All I have is a Tina Smith in Nottinghamshire and she would have been between 16 and 18 in 1971 but had a sibling and a mother at this address. Another relative in Manchester where she was living and working but went to Notts at weekends and birthdays.
So many Smiths.
Only know as Tina, which of course could be a shortened version of , Matina, Christina, just Tina, ...... who knows.
Not sure where to go next as not classed as old on ancestry due to not being 50 years records.
very confusing.
Anybody who knows what they are doing may be able to help, i hope...... ???
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Hi Chrissy
Rootschat has a “no living persons” policy so any details cannot be published here. If you know her siblings name and age you can check for a birth registration to establish her mothers maiden name.
Using that info you can search for other Smith births with the same maiden name to find the correct spelling of the person you are looking for