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Hi All,
My Grandfather was married to a lady who was a patient at Powick Lunatic Asylum. She died there in December of 1920. Her cause of death is given as "Fatty degeneration of the heart, duration unknown". She was only 48.
Would this be a reason to be institutionalized, or could it have accompanied another condition that put her there in the first place? My Mother had a great fear of phsyciatric hospitals and used to tell me that they did horrible things to her father's first wife, so I think she was there for some time and for other reasons.
Also, on the Entry of Death, under Occupation, it gives the home address and the following: Ada Phillips, Wife of _________Phillips. Is there a reason why the spouse's given name is blank? Have read a number of articles on Asylums' at this time but have not encountered anything that would explain how the families of these unfortunate's dealt with the stigma, or how society in general reacted.
I read an old post from 2006 from someone who contacted the Worcestershire Library and History Centre(where these records are held) for assistance in his own search. He provided an email address of: WLHC@worcestershire.gov.uk
I sent an email and it was returned "Address not found" I have searched and none of the sites I found have an email address nor can I find a mailing address.
Traveling from the states would cost more than anything they could charge me for hard copies of her patient records, if they are available. Any suggestions?
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This site may be able to help.
https://www.familytreeresources.co.uk/worcestershire-record-office.html
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Also, on the Entry of Death, under Occupation, it gives the home address and the following: Ada Phillips, Wife of _________Phillips.
Perhaps the person who informed didn't know the name of her spouse especially if she died there.
Is she on a census in the asylum or was she there after 1911?
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Hi,
She was on the 1911 census living at home with her husband and child. Haven't found any information on her for the years after 1911.
George Frederick Phillips 38
Ada Violet Phillips 38
Lillian Violet Phillips 3
Living at 90 Carlyle Rd. Aston Manor.
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Try the email in the link 3Kittycats gave - however be prepared that they may not release for another 3 years.
Leicestershire archives were fantastic to me in a similar situation but said that it was because in my case he had died in 1914, over 100 years ago otherwise they couldn't have released the information to me
This article links fatty heart degeneration with some forms of mental health issues https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122101/pdf/jpmedmentpath268541-0166.pdf
There are also some reasons with cause the fatty heart which can cause insanity - for example arsenic poisoning - or it may be completely conincidental,
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iolaus,
Thanks for the info, was extremely interesting. Do you know when this was first published?
3Kittycats3
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My grandmothers sister was 52 when she died in Rainhill Mental hospital in 1946 having spent over 20yrs there. My grandmother always maintained she was suffering from post natal depression and "milk fever" having had her first child in 1920 - 7yrs after she married
Out of curiosity I bought her death cert and cause of death was Chronic Myocardial Degeneration and Hypertension
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iolaus,
Thanks for the info, was extremely interesting. Do you know when this was first published?
3Kittycats3
I think it was 1877 - around that time anyway, definately 19th century
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My grandmothers sister was 52 when she died in Rainhill Mental hospital in 1946 having spent over 20yrs there. My grandmother always maintained she was suffering from post natal depression and "milk fever" having had her first child in 1920 - 7yrs after she married
Out of curiosity I bought her death cert and cause of death was Chronic Myocardial Degeneration and Hypertension
Same situation with one of my mother's cousins. Her sisters tried to get her out but their brother-in-law refused to sign the release paper and he eventually re-married.
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Hi,
You may have found these two links already, but just in case :)
https://medicalmuseum.org.uk/research-6-powick-hospital-patients/
Ada isn't there because it only goes up to 1916 but there are other PHILLIPS entries.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l2k/
This could be the record you need but it is closed until 2021 due to the hundred year rule. I don't know if they can look up and release a document if you can provide proof of death of the person you are asking about. I think it would be worth a phone call to find out, I often find that is more helpful than sending an email.
Regards,
Daisy
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Daisy,
Thank you for the information. I think a phone call might be the best option at this time. I do have Ada's record of death as well as my Grandfather's, and my Mother's(half sister of Ada's daughter). Maybe that would help my cause.
With a 6 hr. time difference between our locations, I better get up really early and have a huge pot of coffee ready!!
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My Grandfather was married to a lady who was a patient at Powick Lunatic Asylum. She died there in December of 1920. Her cause of death is given as "Fatty degeneration of the heart, duration unknown". She was only 48.
She was on the 1911 census living at home with her husband and child. Haven't found any information on her for the years after 1911.
George Frederick Phillips 38
Ada Violet Phillips 38
Lillian Violet Phillips 3
Living at 90 Carlyle Rd. Aston Manor.
Hello and a warm welcome to Rootschat :)
Not sure if you have her place of burial so I thought I'd post just in case........
Ada Violet Phillips age 48 abode Powick Asylum
Burial 28 Dec 1920 St Peter and St Paul, Aston, Warwickshire
details from Birmingham, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1964
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Hi Ladyhawk,
I do have a copy of the parish death record but I appreciate your taking the time to look for it.