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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Jean Price on Wednesday 08 November 17 03:25 GMT (UK)
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Hello All,
From a family history compiled in the 1930's in America, I have 2 place names which need clarification.
Bretreford = Burtree Ford - I think I am fairly safe with that translation
Sisodorgue = ?
An earlier generation of the family that lived at Bretreford lived at Sisodorgue in the late 1700's, so I imagine it is within the vicinity.
The Bretreford births were registered at Stanhope.
The men folk were mostly miners so I doubt if it is the name of a farm.
All suggestions most welcome.
Thank you,
Jean
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Is the original document available Jean? Unless we can see and interpret the words only have someone else's best guess to go by. Additional possibility for errors if the interpretation was made by someone unfamiliar with the area which seems to be the case here.
(For example, it could be that the capital S is actually an L because these two letters are often mistaken)
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Hello Ruskie,
A couple of paragraphs of the book have been emailed to me. It is typed.
Sorry, that is all I know.
Jean
PS I am in New Zealand, and am helping someone in America. How's that for a go around?
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I've had a look at Genuki and a couple of other sites but can't see anything remotely like Sisodorgue. :-\
If the typed document you have gives details of names, places, dates, we might be able to find the originals for ourselves? After all, the information must have come from somewhere ....
I'm sure others will have some place name suggestions for you ....
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Yes you are right. Burtree Ford. Travelling from Stanhope westwards towards the Cumberland border is Burtree Ford. The other place on the road is St John's Chapel which is/was a place of worship near Burtree Ford. The church and the village are known as St. John's Chapel. Some Burtree Ford residents could be in the parish records there. My dominant name from Burtree Ford is Bowes.
One feature in Stanhope and North Carolina, USA is the naming of sons after male neigbours. Lets say John Brown Smith after Mr. Brown on the next farm.
PS I am in America, and am helping someone in New Zealand who is helping someone in America. How's that for a go around?
About that other place. Goodness knows.
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You can see Burtree Ford on the map at http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=54.7602&lon=-2.2233&layers=6&right=BingHyb
Stan
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Looking through various search engines, I found a reference to the Hodgsons of Sisodorgue. On Nov. 20th 1802 they had several children baptized at St John's Chapel. FreeReg records the baptism, but names their residence as Six Darg. A darg or dargue referred to the amount of work that could be done in a day. It was a farming term, later used in mining.
Peter Bowes's book on Weardale, "Clearing the Forest" refers to the farm as one of those established as farming was expanded into the upper dale. On the map headed "New settlement in the Forest and Park 1660 to 1710" he marks the farm to the west/south west of Wearhead and calls it "Six Days Work", though in the text he also refers to it as Six Dargue. The farms near it are Stonedrass and Low Rigg.
As is usual in the Pennine dales, miners would also be farmers, with their families keeping the farms going when they were down the mines.
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You can see "Six Days Work" on this map http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341572#zoom=6&lat=4674&lon=12164&layers=BT
Stan
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Looking through various search engines, I found a reference to the Hodgsons of Sisodorgue. On Nov. 20th 1802 they had several children baptized at St John's Chapel. FreeReg records the baptism, but names their residence as Six Darg. A darg or dargue referred to the amount of work that could be done in a day. It was a farming term, later used in mining.
Peter Bowes's book on Weardale, "Clearing the Forest" refers to the farm as one of those established as farming was expanded into the upper dale. On the map headed "New settlement in the Forest and Park 1660 to 1710" he marks the farm to the west/south west of Wearhead and calls it "Six Days Work", though in the text he also refers to it as Six Dargue. The farms near it are Stonedrass and Low Rigg.
As is usual in the Pennine dales, miners would also be farmers, with their families keeping the farms going when they were down the mines.
That looks very likely Geordie Mag. :) Great detective work!
It's quite close to Burtree Ford too.
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On the modern map the farm is called "Six Day Work"
Stan
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Thank you everyone for the help you have given.
Unfortunately the person I was helping has gone AWOL.
Lesson learnt - I will only ask questions on my own behalf.
Thank you.
Jean
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Hello, I have that document written in the 1930s. It was written by one of my ancestors. My fifth great grandfather or so is named John Hodgson he was married to Ann Harrison. they lived in Stanhope England they were married 11 February 1792. Please contact me and I can send you the rest of the document, I have it on the computer and I’ve updated it extensively.
I would also like to synchronize our data because you might have information that will help me find John Hodgson and I Ann Harrison’s ancestors.
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I will also add the following, yes, I think the reference is Burtree Ford. Sisodorgue is a mystery as is
High Ridge. Stanhope is on the Wear river. Weardale and Wearhead are up river from Stanhope.
I’ve been at this history and trying to fill out my family tree for a few years now.
Any help you can give me I would sure appreciate it
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(I wrote a careful reply to your question then lost it with a careless tap of my finger. This will not be so careful!) I think we established that Sisodorgue is a scrambled version of Six Dargs or Six Days Work.
The key baptism entry is for Nov. 20th 1802 at St John's Chapel when the Hodgsons brought 4 of their children to be "done" together. The parents are John Hodgson and Ann (nee Harrison) of Six Dargs and the children are John, 2nd son born 1795, Thomas 3rd son, William 4th son and Edward 5th son. Sorry, John's is the only d.o.b I have down.
The other name you are after, I imagine, is High Rigg (not Ridge). In the 1851 census the John who was born in 1795 and was now living in the Bishop Auckland area says he was born at Highrig. if you look at the map Stan posted showing Six Days Work and go in a line south west from that farm you will come to Middle Rigg and then High Rigg. I think there could be another High Rigg slightly further down the dale just to the south of Daddry Shield. Mag
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Thank you very much.
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Where did you find the entry for the baptism of the four kids. I use family search for records, but they are entered by hand, and sometimes don’t transcribe all the information.... I never found the info you gave me.
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Talk about a go around, I live in King George Virginia USA. 25 years ago I stopped in Canal Fulton Ohio to see if I could look up some distant relatives. I mailed 70 letters to their addresses, enclosed a couple pages of our old family history document. Then 25 years later someone in New Zealand gets a request to help someone from the US to look up family history sourced from the two pages I mailed out 25 five years ago. Now I’m getting help from people in America New Zealand and. england,,,, all over....
You all are amazing. Pooling individual knowledge is helping me solve an old question about my ancestors
Thank you all
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I got the record from FreeReg, which you will find along with FreeBMD and FreeCen on
freebmd.org.uk
Volunteers, including some people on here, enter information from registers - all the information, so if the register gives a house name the entry will too. There are of course 2 sets of registers - the original ones done close to the event and the Bishop's Registers, which are the neat copies sent in to the diocese. They can differ slightly so it is useful to know which register is being used and best if you can get the info from both.
There is also Durham Records Online for which you pay to get a detailed record of an entry, but which lets you take an overall look at what they have got. Mag.
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Hello Ehodgso
Did you address your last message to me?
I cetainly have Hodgson in my ancestry - they were from Bromfield, Aspatria, Holme Cultram area.
If yes I will send you my email in a private message.
Regards
Jean Price
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Yes I did. Others jumped in and have given me some more info. I would like to learn more about my relatives who lived in the Stanhope area. My email is (*)
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Hello Ehodgso,
I am originally from the Canal Fulton, Ohio area and my Aunt (a Hodgson) who was born in 1894 and died in 1987 gave to me (prior to her death) the document that was written in the 1930s that you have referred to in an earlier post. Due to the fact that I have just retired recently, I am just now beginning to research my connection to this document and, from all initial observations, John Hodgson (who married Ann Harrison in 1792) is my great-grandfather many times over. In your earlier post, you indicated that you have modified the document that was written in the 1930s and I was wondering whether it would be at all possible for you to share your modified document with me? If so, I am certain that it would be a tremendous help in my continuing efforts to better understand my past. I just registered formally as a member of RootsChat.com today because, last night for the first time, I tried to discover the location of "Sisodorgue" which is referred to in the 1930s document; however, I was unable to find reference to its specific location on a map but, by chance, I happened upon the RootsChat.com discussion which referenced "Sisodorgue" and, lucky me, this included the discussion of the Hodgson family, etc. which led me to your specific posts.
I would very much appreciate your assistance, Ehodgso, in connection with this matter and I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
Kind regards,
JLMiller
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Jumping in again,(!), JLMiller needs to post another (or is it 2 more?) more messages on the public board before using the private messaging system, so have a bit of a chat here first. Mag
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Ok, and thank you Gordie
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Ehodgso - Yes, I did receive the file this morning and I am glad to say that I have downloaded it successfully. I will begin to review it today and will be back in touch with you. Thank you once again for this document. It means so very much to me to have received it in this updated format along with your modifications. - JLMiller
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Geordie Mag - thank you kindly for taking the time to provide me with the information regarding private messaging. Including this email, I have now posted two additional emails so, hopefully, I am good to go with private messaging in the future. - Best regards, JLMiller
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JLMiller…glad you got it…. Your Jonathon is on the last page…. It says that no information is available. I have searched Mormon database, and others, and I found it difficult to locate him. I did find a tombstone on find a grave.com that listed Jonathan with an h, so I am assuming that it is him.
The marker list Frances Hodgson Heaston and a Raymond. I also found records listing I think a Frances Moore as a wife. Can you shed light on Jonathon and his family?
Also I guess you read about Sisodourge and six dargue, or six days work farm
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Ohh JLMiller…. I went to canal Fulton around 1995, I found about 70 Hodgson’s in the phonebook. I copied two pages from the 1930s family history and sent them to each of the 70 Hodgson‘s. Amazingly I only received two replies. One a Thomas Hodgson, communicated with me via email for a while, then he passed away. I could get no more information along that family line. He was going to send me his family history but I never did get it